What does it mean to be black?

That's why I say black.

It's presumptious of me to think all blacks are from America, or even that they aren't from Belize, Carribean, etc.

Exactly.

I knew there were the Caucasian mountains around one of those old Soviet satalite states...but I didn't know that Caucasia was a country. So calling me Caucasian is wrong then.

I also hate it when I get called Anglo. I ain't Anglo Saxon. My ancestry can be traced back to the original Celtic tribes in Ireland.

Damn, people go around calling you an Anglo. How does that go? "Shut up, you Anglo!"

Really, how many black people would be offended by being refered to as a black person/black people, etc?

You do have some black people who get offended when anybody who isn't black calls them "black," like it's derogatory (unless it was obviously meant in a racist/bigoted way). Personally, I don't care.
 
It's funny, you can almost throw in Asian in that catagory. India, Pakistan even Russia are in Asia. Yet, Americans only associate, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Korean etc. as Asian.
 
That reminds me of a Russell Peters joke. He was saying something like "I am part-Indian...yeah, we're Asian, too."
 
Here's the video:



At about the 1:10 mark.
 
But I think the difference is, that society hasn't deemed it PC, and proper to call me an Irish-American.

Its my understanding that blacks where not the first to put their country of origin in front of the country where they now live (i.e. Japanese Americans) nor have I ever heard of that practice not being PC.

I think that may be what Slim is getting at. He doesn't call himself African American, instead it is white people who call him that.

Quite honestly many whites don't know what to call black people without a black person somewhere getting offended with any of the names currently used.

However, it wasn't whites that came up with the label "African-American", it came out of the black community.

Whites used the name "negro" up until early 1970 when the name fell out of favor with blacks which coincided with the Black Power movement where the slogan "Black is beautiful" came out of.

There was was also a many blacks to preferred "Afro-American", Afro referring to the continent of Africa. Malcolm X was one of the first to use this term.

Finally in the 1980s there was a census from the black community of using the term "African-American" to match that of other ethnic groups in America were calling themselves.

For many, African American is more than a name expressive of cultural and historical roots. The term expresses African pride and a sense of kinship and solidarity with others of the African diaspora—an embracing of the notion of pan-Africanism earlier enunciated by prominent African thinkers such as Marcus Garvey, W. E. B. Du Bois, Haile Selassie of Ethiopia.



I assume he doesn't like being called something that he doesn't consider himself to be. While I am proud of my Irish heritage, I, like Slim, am an American first and foremost. Don't call me Irish-American. American-Irish might work though...


Well if Slim doesn't consider himself to be African-American then to each their own but while I am a America, if I have to answer what ethnic group I belong to, I have no problem using black or African American or being referred to with one of those terms and I think the vast number of blacks feel the same.
 
I think the term "Black" when it could apply to Hispanics who have dark skin..and just call them black came from America.I doubt such a term could have come from Europe,speaking of that..we all know the term Nergo was before that.So when did the term "black" appear in America?I would say before 1950 with confidence.
 
I think the term "Black" when it could apply to Hispanics who have dark skin..and just call them black came from America.I doubt such a term could have come from Europe,speaking of that..we all know the term Nergo was before that.So when did the term "black" appear in America?I would say before 1950 with confidence.

Read my previous post.
 
Hey are the decendents of white-Dutch South Africans in America African American? And what about black Americans decended from Austrailia's Aboriginie tribes? What are they considered?


Point is...can't we all just be American and leave it at that?

Well that is an argument for Nationalism so then the problem could be "us as Americans against them as: fill in the blank.. Or "we are better than people from that country" etc.

Why not take it a step further and say, "can't we all just be human and leave it at that?"

After all, we were human much longer before America even existed.

So in summary, my first and most important identity is as a human being, then I identity myself in no specific order as:

Religiously: Muslim

Nationality: American

Ethnicity: African-American

I feel very comfortable in all of those identities.
 
It's funny, you can almost throw in Asian in that catagory. India, Pakistan even Russia are in Asia. Yet, Americans only associate, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Korean etc. as Asian.

Blame people for not paying attention during world geography.
 
What about Turks? Turkey is on the Asian continent, yet it is part of (or trying to become part of)The European Union. So are Turks Asian or European? Also, the Middle East. Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan-all those countries we love-aren't they Asia too?
 
Even if you didn't look "black" growing up, you were sometimes singled out or they would say you're not black. Like being a lighter shade, etc. Hell, I've had freckles since I was younger, inherited from my white granny, and people still ask "are you biracial? Are you part latin? What are you?" I stood out amongst the rest of the darker homeboys. :o
 
I'm having no feelings about it either way. I don't really care.
 
winston shows up about halfway thru the film
Yeah, he was looking for work at the headquarters, and Peter and Ray were too tired to look at his application and were like "**** it, you're hired".
 
We don't eat much of that in my house; being Caribbean and all.

Really? Which island? I thought I was the only one. Bermuda's mine. (Mum was from the US and Pops from the island)I didn't grow up with buttered food and watermelon. I hate the taste and texture of all of that. It was a huge (lol) culture shock when I found out how and what Black Americans tended to eat. It shouldn't be a shock that heart disease and diabetes are so statically high among Black people. And it shouldn't be. It's not like people don't know what causes it, and yet nothing changes...because it's a part of the culture. WTF!

BTW, I must say I agree. Being black is something that you're born as, not something that you become. Ethnicity and or race shouldn't be acted or pretended. I can't believe that people actually want to be a part of a stereotype. That goes to any group of people.

I just can't even begin to describe by distaste for hip-hop as a tween and teenager, especially when it was synonymous with black people. It felt like I was witnessing the selling of a people and culture, but this time it was voluntary. Now, not so much, but I can honestly say I have never bought into any part of the hip-hop culture.

I enjoy my super ethnic make up. My Mum was mixed (both of her parents were half Black/French/Irish/Seminole) and my Pop is Black Portuguese. Heck his family can be traced back to the Muslims who settled there over 1000 years ago. I love having my history written in my funky slightly reddish super think na**y hair, abnormally big eyes, freckles and nutmeg skin. If I thought that some rapper or group of people who think they know me try and define me, then I deserve to be a pop culture drone freed of all thought and responsibility. (Thanks for that line, Futurama)

One more thing:
Wasn't the 13th amendment (or which ever one says that if you're born in the US you are American) particularly written to give slave owners the 2/5ths vote, or something like that? Shouldn't there be no such thing as (blank)-American by constitutional law?
 
Well that is an argument for Nationalism so then the problem could be "us as Americans against them as: fill in the blank.. Or "we are better than people from that country" etc.

Why not take it a step further and say, "can't we all just be human and leave it at that?"

After all, we were human much longer before America even existed.

So in summary, my first and most important identity is as a human being, then I identity myself in no specific order as:

Religiously: Muslim

Nationality: American

Ethnicity: African-American

I feel very comfortable in all of those identities.
Nationality before ethnicity?

interesting....
 
What about Turks? Turkey is on the Asian continent, yet it is part of (or trying to become part of)The European Union. So are Turks Asian or European? Also, the Middle East. Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan-all those countries we love-aren't they Asia too?

Their country is both in Europe and Asia Minor. So I think they have the right to be in the European Union (they're in the process so far).
 
I can't believe african americans actully like chitterlings, Its pig intestines. It goes back to when the slaves where given the parts of animals the slave owners didn't want to eat.
 
I think you just answered a question that you didn't know that you asked, chamber-music.

-TNC
 
BTW, my mom tried to make me eat "chitlin's" when I was younger. I haven't touched the stuff in like ten years... Bleechh!

-TNC
 

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