The Dark Knight Rises What if.... TDKR doesn't live up to the hype??

[onthecouchagain]

Not to sidetrack this thread, but am I the only one asking where the Joker is during this? It'll be 8 years later, but Joker's sentence in Arkham surely would be longer than that. So is he still in jail?

Would Bane not consider releasing Joker (he seems to free a lot of other in-mates, but who knows if that's Arkham or not)?

I respect that Nolan doesn't want to show or do anything with Joker in the final film in respect to the late and great Heath Ledger, and I actually have no problem with this, but at the end of the day, the Joker is bigger than any actor, and I can't help but wonder where he is in the film's universe just for my own curiosity's sake. Especially when all this mayhem is happening in Gotham city, the Joker would surely have an opinion on it. I'm not necessarily saying Nolan should show us or tell us anything; just my own curiosity.

Anyone else?

 

[Boom]

There are greater tragedies in life than a movie not living up to the hype.

If TDKR fails to meet my expectations, I'll initially be disappointed, but then I'll suck it up and move on. Such is life.

 

[beastmode]

I agree with you onthecouchagain. I doubt Nolan will mention anything about the Joker in this finale. I think it'll just be one giant loop hole in his TRILOGY THAT GOES FULL CIRCLE.

It seems to me he's so caught up in mourning for Heath that he would not include or even mention the Joker in the finale. I still fail to see how another actor taking up the Joker mantle in his finale a clear and blatant sign of disrespect to Heath. It seems so excessive to me (his obsession with respecting Heath) that I feel like the Joker character ended when Heath died.

I tried my best to tune the Joker out of the movie because I know that loop hole will extremely disappoint me, bother me, and affect my judgement of the movie. I was successful until I read your post. Thanks buddy!

 

[Boom]

I agree with you onthecouchagain. I doubt Nolan will mention anything about the Joker in this finale. I think it'll just be one giant loop hole in his TRILOGY THAT GOES FULL CIRCLE.

It seems to me he's so caught up in mourning for Heath that he would not include or even mention the Joker in the finale. I still fail to see how another actor taking up the Joker mantle in his finale a clear and blatant sign of disrespect to Heath. It seems so excessive to me (his obsession with respecting Heath) that I feel like the Joker character ended when Heath died.

I tried my best to tune the Joker out of the movie because I know that loop hole will extremely disappoint me, bother me, and affect my judgement of the movie. I was successful until I read your post. Thanks buddy!

Because Ledger was his Joker, and he doesn't see anybody else in the role? It's really quite simple.

 

[raynorWilm]

If it's necessary to reference, he will. I for one don't think Joker's whereabouts will be relevant in this film.

 

[NigelHalsey]

What "Hype" exactly?

 

[onthecouchagain]

I suppose Nolan could reference the Joker if the aftermath of TDK (Joker vs. Dent) is supposed to leave such a lasting imprint on Bruce's health and Gotham as a city.

Can one mention Dent without mentioning the Joker? Hm.

 

[The Joker]

I agree with you onthecouchagain. I doubt Nolan will mention anything about the Joker in this finale. I think it'll just be one giant loop hole in his TRILOGY THAT GOES FULL CIRCLE.

It seems to me he's so caught up in mourning for Heath that he would not include or even mention the Joker in the finale. I still fail to see how another actor taking up the Joker mantle in his finale a clear and blatant sign of disrespect to Heath. It seems so excessive to me (his obsession with respecting Heath) that I feel like the Joker character ended when Heath died.

I tried my best to tune the Joker out of the movie because I know that loop hole will extremely disappoint me, bother me, and affect my judgement of the movie. I was successful until I read your post. Thanks buddy!

Oh the dramatics.

Why would Nolan not mention the whereabouts of the Joker if it is relevant? It's not going to hurt the memory of Heath by referencing Joker. Dent is getting plenty of references. Nolan said TDKR explores the whole consequences of the Dent cover up. Odds are Joker will be mentioned since he was the cause of the whole mess.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I think if people go in with their expectations in check, they probably won't be disappointed. I highly doubt this is going to be better than TDK, but it doesn't have to be. Unless they have a scene where Bruce is walking down the streets of Gotham disco dancing, it will probably be OK.

This is how I view it, although Batman Begins is the one it should be shooting for instead of TDK in my opinion. Begins focused on Bruce. I want TDKR to focus more on him than TDK did. I don't think either of Nolan's Batflicks are remotely close to perfection, so I'm not holding TDKR to that insane standard. I do hope the ending is well-done and I hope they focus on Bruce. If they accomplish those two things, I'll probably be happy with the outcome.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I agree. I'm hoping more attention is paid to the actual lead character because I didn't feel enough attention was paid to him in the previous flick. It's a Batman movie, give me more freakin Batman.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I don't know how it won't live up to expectations. People expect something exceptional, and we will get it. So far, EVERYTHING we saw just blew people away. From young bat-fans to accomplished directors, designers, game makers and so on.

 

[The Batman]

Oh the dramatics.

You basically summed up this whole thread, lol.

 

[metaphysician]

I suspect that TDKR "won't live up to the hype", but only the hype from the fans who are expecting it to be the BESTEST MOVIE EVER!! Which is to say, it will meet reasonable expectations, and there will be a cadre of people disappointed it didn't beat TDK's gross by as much as TDK beat BB's gross.

IOW, it will be like pretty much every other highly anticipated movie ever, aside from the *actual* disappointments that *actually* fail.

 

[BatLobster]

It can't be more obvious that this movie is shifting the focus back to Bruce more.

 

[JackWhite]

I'm not even sure what I expect from TDKR anymore. After I saw TDK I would have been happy if it ended there. But seeing the last 3 trailers, the prologue, the set pictures, I'm starting to think Nolan has something special in store for us.

I guess the only thing I'm comfortable predicting is TDKR will be better than BB. Some days I look at the last two trailers and I start to imagine TDKR being better than TDK and being one hell of an ending to the trilogy. Other days I think about scenes from TDK, and I start to lower my expectations because nothing can top TDK.

It won't be Spider-Man 3 though!

 

[Fudgie]

I'm not expecting it to be as brilliant as TDK which lived up to it's hype, but it looks better than Begins so far so it's all good.

 

[J.Howlett]

As long as its equal to or better than Begins and is a true finale for the character, I'll be all good.

 

[The Batman]

As long as its equal to or better than Begins and is a true finale for the character, I'll be all good.

As long its not the kind of batfilm where everyone's like "Omg, Anne/Tom stole the show!" I'll be good.

 

[Gianakin_]

Hm, this thread should be renamed into "I just don't think I'm so excited for TDKR". I'm not even kidding, since more people will come here to post their complaints about TDKR thus far than to answer the topic's question at hand. A topic which was introduced with a semi-rant by the OP.

 

[BattleCat]

Name one highly anticipated movie that didn't live up to the hype for some people. There is none. There is ALWAYS going to be numbers of people who didn't get their expectations met.

It's a guarantee.

Spiderman 3? I can't think of anyone who thought that film lived up to the hype, but then again, it's not like I know every person that's seen it.t:

 

[kieron39]

Sorry, i mean most girls who known nothing about comics books and their movie counterparts, who can only compare most of them to TDK as it's widely popular.
I do however find women who know really know their stuff quite sexy.

sorry for the offence, and i should really change the part in the title from 'hype' to 'expectations'

 

[MeenieWK]

If theres one thing that doesnt worry me this years its the quality of movie we will get when TDKR is released.

I have zero doubt that it will be an exceptional film, i have no reason to doubt.

I was worried about Avengers... woudl it be messy, too many characters etc... and thankfully my worries were un justified and we gto an amazing Movie.

Im a little worried about Prometheus, its got a big, classic, Cult, shoes to fill.

Im worried about Dredd, because i desperatly want it to be awesome.

Im NOT worried about the quality of TDKR at all...
The only problem with TDKR is it will... consistantly and religiously be compared to TDK.
At the Box Office (Oh it didnt match TDK's opening weekend etc..)
Critics will compare it.
In this respect, Nolans Batman has become a victim of its own success.

BUT, it wont stop it being an exceptional Movie, and i am confident in that.

My only question when comparing it to BB and TDK will be, which is my favourite of the Trilogy (and when can i have it on BluRay)
My enjoyment is all that matters.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Let's face it guys. Clearly we need to go into this film with the lowest expectations possible. Even though Nolan has made excellent, groundbreaking, superb films throughout his career, and even though he said he wouldn't try to make a Batman sequel unless he thought he could top TDK, we really have no idea what the film will be like. The trailers all indicate an awesome film but we all know trailers can potentially be full of lies, so we can't trust them one iota. People will probably go in expecting a 10 out of 10 movie and it will only be a 9 and so they will give it bad reviews. The box office will fail because Heath Ledger isn't in this movie. And then those who mock us on the internet will win.

 

[Kansiov]

Sorry, i mean most girls who known nothing about comics books and their movie counterparts, who can only compare most of them to TDK as it's widely popular.
I do however find women who know really know their stuff quite sexy.

Huh?

 

[Norek]

There are greater tragedies in life than a movie not living up to the hype.

If TDKR fails to meet my expectations, I'll initially be disappointed, but then I'll suck it up and move on. Such is life.

^This.

The thing is, apparently we know so little about this film, even though we think we know a lot, and we're the fans who keep a close eye on these things. The GA who don't know anything about this film will be the ones who will be truly flabbergasted I believe.

Overall, I think the film will meet our expectations, in not exceed them. But if it doesn't - well, live goes on.