The Dark Knight Rises What if the "villain" in the third film is the police/U.S. government?

[Bat101]

Wouldn't it be more suspenseful if the next film has the police as the main villain?

What if Batman is eventually captured by the police with the aid of the FBI and National Guard?

Ex: Batman has been shot many times by National guard troops, a net thrown over him, and the police chasing him through a dead-end alley (much like that scene in Mask of the Phantasm, this time no vanishing act for him). And the film ends with him beaten and bloody, while being unmasked in front of live cameras?




-My reason for this idea was that when I was watching TDK, I was really worried about Batman's secret identity being revealed. Perhaps, this theme would create suspense in the third film?

 

[TimDrake64x]

ya but i just think it would be kind of boring

personally i like this whole realism take, but i dont want the material of 80 years of batman that has worked fine to suffer because certain villians are not "realistic" enough, a great director could find a way to make any of batman's villians seem realistic in the movie. i duno maybe its just me

 

[Simon Dark]

And much more realistic than a scarred clown sociopath or a man who leads a league of ninjas or a psychopharmacyst turned psycopath. Not gonna happen.

 

[Bat101]

And much more realistic than a scarred clown sociopath or a man who leads a league of ninjas or a psychopharmacyst turned psycopath. Not gonna happen.

Yes, but they were portrayed in "realistic" manners. Not like in B&R when Doctor Fries falls into a cryogenic tank or when Pamela Isly falls into a venom plant trap thing experiement?

 

[The Senator]

That would be a complete waste of a film. Batman has a multitude of villains which would work in the Nolan universe and could somehow be incorporated into the central plot of the third film. The Batman mythos have some of the best villains brought to a comic book series ever, and to ignore villains like the Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman, Bane, etc. in favor of the U.S. government would be a total cop-out on Nolan's behalf.

 

[Ziggyman]

That would be completely...Whack! A waste of the best rogue's gallery in comics!

 

[Bat101]

That would be completely...Whack! A waste of the best rogue's gallery in comics!

What if the leader of the police task force to capture Batman is "Lock-Up" (Lyle Bolton). Remember that episode from B:TAS?

 

[The Senator]

What if the leader of the police is "Lock-Up" (Lyle Bolton). Remember that episode from B:TAS?

Lock-Up is one of the lamest villains to ever emerge from the Batman universe.

 

[Bat101]

Lock-Up is one of the lamest villains to ever emerge from the Batman universe.

And what if he were to hire the mob along with the Joker to hunt down the Batman?

 

[Ziggyman]

That would be completely...Whack! A waste of the best rogue's gallery in comics!

I'm sorry...That was pretty rude...What I mean is that...No...I would not like a Batman movie to be based upon such things...I would like the third film to have an actual villain...A good one...One that comes from his great rogue's gallery...Preferably not one that is made up for this movie...

 

[The Senator]

And what if he were to hire the mob along with the Joker to hunt down the Batman?

It's still lame. You could replace him with any old mob boss or villain. Hell, you could even have a shady DA hire a hitman like Deadshot or Bane to take down Batman.

 

[Bat101]

Hey, its just an idea.

 

[Nepenthes]

I think most people already assumed this would happen. Not as the main villain though

but you could have someone like Riddler, Deadshot or Bane working for the police, that would be pretty much the same thing

 

[souvlaki]

Lock-Up is one of the lamest villains to ever emerge from the Batman universe.

I liked the B:TAS episode with him in it, but he's certainly not a villain I care anything about seeing in the next Batman film. If you are going to do the whole "strong villain capable of physically taking on Batman" route, you might as well pick Bane, or Killer Croc. Personally I dont think there is a single villain in the Batman universe that would not work for a Nolan film. People who say otherwise just don't have a good enough imagination. I'd go so far as to say Nolan could probably even pull off Man-Bat or Clayface if he wrote them correctly. With that being said, why waste the third film by making the police/government the villain when there are plenty of amazing villains that could be used, some of which have never been attempted in live action?

 

[AlterEgo]

I wouldn't mind if the gov./pol. were the villains in the beginning but then it switches to some other villain, because that would get boring

 

[CFE]

ACT I - Police are the Villains, chasing after Batman
ACT II - New developments bring about a Rogue to aid the Police
ACT III - Said Rogue unleashes his own agenda and betrays the Police. This forces them to then rely on Batman to save Gotham.

CFE

 

[The Law]

It's entirely possible that one of the villains in the third film will be a new Mayor or District Attorney who goes too far in trying to bring Batman in, either by implementing repressive practices by the police (martial law, mass arrests, illegal surveillance) or by "outsourcing" the job to a criminal (Catwoman, Bane, Deadshot, would all be good choices).

 

[I am vengence]

Wouldn't it be more suspenseful if the next film has the police as the main villain?

What if Batman is eventually captured by the police with the aid of the FBI and National Guard?

Ex: Batman has been shot many times by National guard troops, a net thrown over him, and the police chasing him through a dead-end alley (much like that scene in Mask of the Phantasm, this time no vanishing act for him). And the film ends with him beaten and bloody, while being unmasked in front of live cameras?




-My reason for this idea was that when I was watching TDK, I was really worried about Batman's secret identity being revealed. Perhaps, this theme would create suspense in the third film?

Probably the closest thing I wouldn't mind seeing is having Deadshot play a supporting villian in the sequel. Have the government send him in as a gun-for-hire to take out the Batman. Somewhere along the line civilians become expendable and he's portrayed more as a villian. It would be kind of cool if Nolan gave Deadshot a little more depth. Perhaps an ex-soldier that's infatuated with the "hunt", to the degree of insanity.

 

[Finlandman]

ACT I - Police are the Villains, chasing after Batman
ACT II - New developments bring about a Rogue to aid the Police
ACT III - Said Rogue unleashes his own agenda and betrays the Police. This forces them to then rely on Batman to save Gotham.

CFE

Exactly like this with Riddler. I like the idea that Batman has to fight cops/ government, especially after reading DKR. I just hope that third one won't un-do ending of TDK.

 

[Gianakin_]

ACT I - Police are the Villains, chasing after Batman
ACT II - New developments bring about a Rogue to aid the Police
ACT III - Said Rogue unleashes his own agenda and betrays the Police. This forces them to then rely on Batman to save Gotham.

CFE

Something along these lines, yeah. It's a natural and logical progression of the events of TDK.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

If the cops are gonna chase Batman, there definitely is an Ellen Yindel-esque character needed. Because Gordon, well, he isn't actually gonna try to catch Batman is he? So what's needed is pressure from higher up. Say the government, CIA or FBI send their top agent to lead the ''Catch Batman Squad''. I'll admit that in theory it's a cliché. But that would all depend on the way they portray such a character. it doesn't really have to be a well-groomed squeaky clean hard-ass. It'd be cool is this charcater was from the comics, even in name only. Say, Ellen Yindel, Janic Porter or even....Harvey Bullock -- the latter especially, would be fun of aforementioned reasons. Can you see The government sending this fat, badly dressed alcoholic with a beard stubble? Everybody would be like: ''Jesus, who is this guy?'' And then he turns out to be a genius in police work and man-hunt.

 

[Gianakin_]

I just wouldn't want a Blade Trinity-like fiasco. Considering that Goyer is in both projects, there is some (very small) cause for concern.

Goyer had a fantastic idea with making Blade a public enemy no1 and then, in the middle of the film, the whole subplot gets dropped. Same with Indy 4. They should keep the particular plot point throughout BB3. Of course, with the Nolan bros' leash on Goyer, I guess I shouldn't worry.

 

[CFE]

Well the way I see it, the Feds could send an agent in to re-organize the "Batman Task Force" that Loeb had supposedly set up in "Begins."

I'd be more than willing to have Ellen Yindel be the agent, despite the fact that she wasn't a Fed in "DKR."

And of course Gordon makes sure that his efforts to bring Batman in don't work...but IMO it shouldn't compromise Gordon's competence as a cop. He should still do his job and do it to the best of his abilities and not have Batman make him look like an idiot.

CFE

 

[Melkay]

I don't know what you'll think of this but I think is the best Riddler idea out there, because it know well the character and it includes the "Batman pursued by the law" subplot...

Edward Nygma- A government agent brought in to find the Bat(since Gordon isn't putting it as his top priority). Batman keeps avoiding and outwitting agent Nygma. His narcissism kicks into high gear and he invents a criminal known as the Riddler to lure Batman out. The "Riddler" becomes increasing violent in his traps that are leaving people injured or killed.

That subplot could present a vast array of original characters, like Montoya (who represents cops loyal to Gordon) and Harvey Bullock (who represents disilussioned cops who distrust Batman the most). And then comes the FBI, with Edward Nygma.

Nolan's franchise is too good for supervillain who just wants money or killing people for hatred. Money is not enough, psychotic killings are not enough... "it's about sending a message". Even Scarecrow in BB had a message ("I respect the power of the mind over the body... that's why I do what I do, Ms. Rachel"), and Joker placed that bar really high.

The Riddler can't be less than that, but you can't pin some random message on a guy who's just too obssesed with proving he's more intelligent than Batman.

That's why I find the agent idea so compelling. As a federal agent, Nygma's a guy obssesed with winning, and he's so narcissistic he thinks he can go beyond the law because he represents justice, and Justice always must catch the criminal, whatever it takes. Especially one as interesting as Batman.

He wants to defeat Batman at all costs. That's him. Intellectual obssesion.. that's the Riddler. That's Edward Nygma. An example of how we can be dragged by vanity to achieve a victory (not unlike we fighting for a supposed victory in Iraq), and of how or obssesed desires to KNOW can make worse persons of us.

Nolan explored that theme excellently in The Prestige. He can do it even better this time.

It also cements better the idea of Batman being a definitive outcast to law, having to run from the police more tha ever.

What do you guys think?

 

[In a Pickle]

Wouldn't it be more suspenseful if the next film has the police as the main villain?

What if Batman is eventually captured by the police with the aid of the FBI and National Guard?

Ex: Batman has been shot many times by National guard troops, a net thrown over him, and the police chasing him through a dead-end alley (much like that scene in Mask of the Phantasm, this time no vanishing act for him). And the film ends with him beaten and bloody, while being unmasked in front of live cameras?




-My reason for this idea was that when I was watching TDK, I was really worried about Batman's secret identity being revealed. Perhaps, this theme would create suspense in the third film?

Lame idea.