What is DC Entertainment doing? What is their plan?

[HighFivingMF]

Just wondering, but why are you so negative throughout various threads when it comes to WB and Superman, and the court case?

I was wondering the same. I don't think I can recall a single post about something positive from him.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Marvel has beat them to the team-up punch and now they can't just do it right after. It would seem like a copy to general audiences. DC has yet to show a proven money maker past Batman. I'm not even sure that Superman (iconic as he is) is a proven franchise. Its been 30 years since the Reeve films after all, and nothing successful since.

I think Supes is still a big leaguer. SR was not well-received and still cracked the $200 million barrier. (Almost exactly what the well-received Batman Begins made) Note how the CB movies this year are failing to do that.

I gotta think a well-received Supes movie would do very well....easily in the $250+ million domestic range.

Well plus Iron Man had RDJ who is way more well known than Ryan and Chris.

He is now. But think back to when IM was released. RDJ was a guy that was well-liked around Hollywood and had the kind of respect among fans that Sam Rockwell has today....but he was no star. It was IM that made him that well-known.

Yeah, I really don't get why so many people didn't like Green Lantern. It's really bizarre for me. I'm starting to wonder if this is what it feels like to be one of those people who inexplicably liked Ang Lee's Hulk or Superman Returns (both of which I detested)?

I like that comparison. I'm a person who liked the first Fantastic Four (not the 2nd) and X3 and wonders where all the hate comes from.

Never cared for Hulk....thought TIH was a major improvement. But SR wasn't that bad for me. I'll admit I'm sick to death of Lex Luthor, but I didn't hate it.

I also don't hate GL. It's not wonderful or anything, but I enjoyed it enough to give it a 6/10.

 

[Octoberist]

x3 makes me wanna throw up. Wolverine is worst though. but that's for a different thread...

 

[merced]

WB is rebooting the Batman film franchise after TDKR and Bale leaves as Batman. Robinov calls it something other than reboot but that s basically what it is.

My understanding is Nolan won't be a part of the Batman reboot.

Given that can't WB insist the new Batman actor appears in a JL film or maybe a team-up film with one of the othe DC heros?

Do we know how quickly this Batman reboot will be up and running? 2 or 3 years after TDKR?

 

[KangConquers]

An appropriate spending table for DCE imo. Each movie would get an advertising budget roughly half it's filming budget.


Over $200 M:

Batman
Justice League


$150-199 M:

Superman


$100-150 M:

Aquaman
Captain Marvel
Flash
Green Lantern
Hawkman
Wonderwoman


Less Than $100 M:

Everything Else

 

[akfj]

WB is rebooting the Batman film franchise after TDKR and Bale leaves as Batman. Robinov calls it something other than reboot but that s basically what it is.

My understanding is Nolan won't be a part of the Batman reboot.

Given that can't WB insist the new Batman actor appears in a JL film or maybe a team-up film with one of the othe DC heros?

Do we know how quickly this Batman reboot will be up and running? 2 or 3 years after TDKR?

Your guess is as good as any other person's. No one knows anything. My guess is that they don't have anything planned beyond the Batman movie we will get in 2012.

 

[KangConquers]

Your guess is as good as any other person's. No one knows anything. My guess is that they don't have anything planned beyond the Batman movie we will get in 2012.

I think it also depends on The Man of Steel; if Superman is huge, then we might see Batman on the backburner for 3 or 4 years while a Superman franchise plays out.

Hell, come to think of it...TDK was a billion grosser and it's taken us 4 years to get a sequel; we might be seeing a 5 year wait even if they green light it immediately.

 

[TheVileOne]

What can we really expect out of Superman? I mean they had a chance to do something fresh and original but instead they go with Zod again instead of say DARKSEID.

I like Snyder but I think he's a little overrated as a director. I think he didn't get Watchmen and compromised the integrity of the material and proved Alan Moore right that it was unfilmable. Watchmen was a disappointment and he hasn't really had a bonafide hit in 4 years. Sucker Punch bombed. Guardians hardly was a breakout hit.

 

[akfj]

I think it also depends on The Man of Steel; if Superman is huge, then we might see Batman on the backburner for 3 or 4 years while a Superman franchise plays out.

Hell, come to think of it...TDK was a billion grosser and it's taken us 4 years to get a sequel; we might be seeing a 5 year wait even if they green light it immediately.

Well, TDKR is a different situation since Nolan didn't just want to jump right into making another Batman movie and instead concentrated on Inception. However, you are right that it could take awhile. WB has never been quick to make a decision on any of their superhero properties, even Superman and Batman.

 

[Metallo]

What can we really expect out of Superman? I mean they had a chance to do something fresh and original but instead they go with Zod again instead of say DARKSEID.

I like Snyder but I think he's a little overrated as a director. I think he didn't get Watchmen and compromised the integrity of the material and proved Alan Moore right that it was unfilmable. Watchmen was a disappointment and he hasn't really had a bonafide hit in 4 years. Sucker Punch bombed. Guardians hardly was a breakout hit.

Damn Vile I think we agree on something.

I also feel pretty cheated that WB (and some fans) made a big deal about doing something new with Superman and instead we get possibly another take on Superman's early days (which we've already seen a lot of in other media) and the bad guy from Superman II (re imagined).I love those movies and that character but if theyre going to start over why not give us something we've NEVER seen before.

Of all the characters and stories and villains in Supermans past..Zod? again? Brainiacs been the villain in waiting since Superman III and at least offered a chance to do something different in a Superman movie as far as visual effects go.

Certain elements of MOS that I've heard about just seem...unimaginative(?) so far.

 

[WildcatNC]

I think Supes is still a big leaguer. SR was not well-received and still cracked the $200 million barrier. (Almost exactly what the well-received Batman Begins made) Note how the CB movies this year are failing to do that.

I gotta think a well-received Supes movie would do very well....easily in the $250+ million domestic range.

Its not apples to apples as the economy was very different then. That same movie would struggle to reach less than that this year imo.

I think he is a *potential* big leaguer at the box office, and definitely is on a name recognition level. Its just not proven in the past 30 years. I agree that a "well received" Superman movie would do very well but Snyder isn't exactly a hit machine either. I hope he gets it done though.

 

[merced]

Damn Vile I think we agree on something.

I also feel pretty cheated that WB (and some fans) made a big deal about doing something new with Superman and instead we get possibly another take on Superman's early days (which we've already seen a lot of in other media) and the bad guy from Superman II (re imagined).I love those movies and that character but if theyre going to start over why not give us something we've NEVER seen before.

Of all the characters and stories and villains in Supermans past..Zod? again? Brainiacs been the villain in waiting since Superman III and at least offered a chance to do something different in a Superman movie as far as visual effects go.

Certain elements of MOS that I've heard about just seem...unimaginative(?) so far.

ITA. The more I learn the less I anticipate this movie.

It has a great cast but the origin and use of Zod are unimaginative as you say.

Why they didn't use Brainiac I will never understand. Maybe a budget issue? But it will come back to haunt them.

MOS will do better than SR but not a whole lot. And again it will be, IMO, because of what sounds to be an unimaginative and done before storyline. I guess WB never learns.

 

[WB-Knightfall]

The NEW OFFICIAL TEASER TRAILER of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES !

You can hear Bane's voice and, apparently, the police tries to find him before Batman....

 

[KangConquers]

What can we really expect out of Superman? I mean they had a chance to do something fresh and original but instead they go with Zod again instead of say DARKSEID.

I like Snyder but I think he's a little overrated as a director. I think he didn't get Watchmen and compromised the integrity of the material and proved Alan Moore right that it was unfilmable. Watchmen was a disappointment and he hasn't really had a bonafide hit in 4 years. Sucker Punch bombed. Guardians hardly was a breakout hit.

You've made some great points. I'm probably letting my love for Superman carry me away. I'm not Snyder's biggest fan either, and I'm currently in the middle of about 15 arguments on the Man of Steel forums over it. I guess we've just got to have faith that the Nolans idiot proofed their script for Snyder.

That said, I'm a big fan of the kryptonian side of Superman stories, and would love to see a modern take on not only the planet, but it's citizens and denizens. Villains with a connection to the hero work best in origins movies, which is why I'm glad they've gone with Zod.

 

[Captain Marvel]

What can we really expect out of Superman? I mean they had a chance to do something fresh and original but instead they go with Zod again instead of say DARKSEID.

Going with Darkseid right out of the gates would've been terrible. He's a villain you build up to, not one you use right out of the gates. How can they possibly top Darkseid? They can't. He's someone they have to save to close out the series, not start it.

 

[KangConquers]

Going with Darkseid right out of the gates would've been terrible. He's a villain you build up to, not one you use right out of the gates. How can they possibly top Darkseid? They can't. He's someone they have to save to close out the series, not start it.

Darkseid should not be in a Superman solo movie; either Justice League or New Gods imo.

 

[Lobo]

I agree Darkseid should be a villain for the League or a New Gods film not that that will ever happen. For a final villain in the Supes franchise I'd go with Mongul. He is like Darkseid without the complicated back story.

 

[KangConquers]

I agree Darkseid should be a villain for the League or a New Gods film not that that will ever happen. For a final villain in the Supes franchise I'd go with Mongul. He is like Darkseid without the complicated back story.

Mongul would be pretty awesome.

If I were a betting man though, I'd say the Snyder Superman Trilogy (If it makes it that far) will be:


Man of Steel: Kryptonian criminals led by Zod
Superman II : Brainiac
Superman III: Doomsday

with Luthor showing up in some capacity as a villain in all 3.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's just we've seen Kryptonian bad guys a million times before already. In the movies and also in the TV shows.

I want to see some new villains and characters.

I liked that in Batman Begins they did some different characters first and built to the Joker for later. I think it made the franchise that much better.

 

[KangConquers]

It's just we've seen Kryptonian bad guys a million times before already. In the movies and also in the TV shows.

I want to see some new villains and characters.

I liked that in Batman Begins they did some different characters first and built to the Joker for later. I think it made the franchise that much better.

A Million times...as in once?

Brainiac would've been nice, but I think Zod is perfect for the first movie.

 

[merced]

It's just we've seen Kryptonian bad guys a million times before already. In the movies and also in the TV shows.

I want to see some new villains and characters.

I liked that in Batman Begins they did some different characters first and built to the Joker for later. I think it made the franchise that much better.

ITA.

It's discouraging - MOS is starting to sound a little too much like Superman 2 for my liking.

Saving Brainiac or other new villains for a sequel? Yeah right, with the lawsuit and all the chances of a sequel are slim.

It's really a shame and makes me wonder just how much Snyder is really going to break with the Donnerverse.

 

[Captain Marvel]

Personally, I think Superman is a big enough tentpole under which WB could produce a trilogy of trilogies. Think about it. Have three different trilogies with three overarching story arcs in each. One story arch ends in one trilogy, another begins in the next. IMO, they could've done something like the following:

SUPERMAN 1: Metallo, Intergang, and Lex Luthor.

Lex Luthor is the behind the scenes villain who secretly runs Intergang and creates Metallo. Metallo is beaten, but nothing is tied back to Luthor, who Metropolis still adores.

SUPERMAN 2: Parasite and Lex Luthor.

Luthor gets away with it again, but this time he doesn't get off completely scott free, as Metropolis starts to realize that he's corrupt.

SUPERMAN 3: Lex Luthor.

Superman/Clark Kent/Lois Lane/The Daily Planet finally bring down Lex Luthor. He's indicted on multiple counts, Intergang is dismantled, and Luthor's on the run. Having nothing left to lose, Luthor dons the battle armor and becomes an outright villain.

SUPERMAN 4: Brainiac, the Eradicator.

The Eradicator starts as a villain in service to Brainiac, but he switches swides and joins Superman, and together they defeat Brainiac.

SUPERMAN 5: General Zod, Ursa, and Non.

The Kryptonian criminals are defeated through clever trickery by Superman, only to be approached afterwards by Brainiac, who suggests an alliance. They use Kryptonian technology to transform Non into Doomsday.

SUPERMAN 6: Brainiac, General Zod, Ursa, Doomsday.

Unable to beat them on his own, Superman gets the help of the Eradicator, Metallo, Parasite, and Lex Luthor. The Eradicator, Metallo, and Parasite take down Brainiac and Ursa while Luthor kills General Zod. Luthor finally gets his moment in the sun, his chance to be redeemed and be acknowledged as Metropolis's greatest hero by killing General Zod...

...and then Superman dies a martyr in battle against Doomsday, robbing him of his moment.

Then they could do the Death of Superman saga for films 7-9. And if they were REALLY ambitious, they could come back with Superman 10-12 and do a whole think on Apokolips and Darkseid.

The good thing about breaking it up into distinct trilogies, though, is that gives them the option to recast should they lose actors. In other words, sign them all on for three movies at least. If they come back for the next three, great, but if not you can replace them.

 

[Octoberist]

I always laugh when someone plots out their vision for a
movie from part 1-7 or whatever. nerdy!!

 

[REDophile]

With an origin or reboot, I expect character development and a sweeping epic of a story to set it apart from just any superhero film. Part of what made GL a dud is how it failed to capitalize on that. We get that Hal Jordan's job is not to be scared and he has the ability to overcome fear, but it both cases the script did little more than allude to it and that the ring cannot be wrong with who it chose.

Batman Begins tells the complex story of the journey Bruce takes from witnessing his parents' murder, honing intellect and martial arts-type defense skills abroad to his return to Gotham to eradicate crime via his new alter ego

Iron Man introduces Tony Stark as a billionaire, playboy industrialist who constructs advanced armory and weaponry for use far beyond helping him escape capture.

Thor has a complex character arc but its more so a precursor to the Avengers. Captain America, well you have weakling Steve and his transformation to a super soldier and courageous hero up until he gets frozen in ice for decades. That has more of the complex, sweeping origin, and Marvel has more freedom with it by turning back the clock well before the events of IM, Incredible Hulk, IM2 and Thor.

In this fashion a Flash movie should be human story before 'Fastest Man Alive' epic. Argue that DC characters are too one-dimensional and lack the humanity and vulnerability of the Marvel ones. No way with Barry Allen, he is an absent-minded police scientist who is perpetually late until rewarded the gift of super speed. Just as Bruce Banner initially longs to destroy the Hulk within, in the film Barry should start out trying to get rid of the speed when it initially complicates his life but than learns to use it to be a hero.

 

[Captain Marvel]

I always laugh when someone plots out their vision for a
movie from part 1-7 or whatever. nerdy!!

Says the guy with the 24,000+ posts on a site about comic book movies.