What live-action movie best represents THE ANIMATED SERIES?

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Yes I know the show was greenlighted & patterned after the Burton FILMS, but of all movies, which one best matches the tone/environment of BTAS?

for me it would be BATMAN FOREVER for a myriad of reasons.

1) it was lighter than the Burton movies

2) rounder characters

3)more atmospheric


YEAH YOU GET THE IDEA...

THOUGHTS?????????
 
If Batman Forever had indeed been similar to B:TAS, it would've been a far better film and the first Batman film series might have gone on a little longer.

As it stands, BF was put to shame by every episode of B:TAS, and especially, Mask of the Phantasm.

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I think B89 is the most similar to BTAS. I mean, BF? Come on, both Riddler and Two Face had WAAAAAAY better episodes in TAS.
 
B89 was way darker (I don't mean TONE) than BTAS

BTAS had one liners... B89 did not...

BF had a few one liners...
BTAS was lighter as in it wasn't as adult & was a bit more playful BF was playful

B89 left little room for laughter... I laugh all the time when I watch BTAS...
 
I think the series was patterned after B89, but there was a lot of color in the series... I mean and the zaniness of characters like harley quinn & the one liners certainly didn't happen in Batman 89...

but it wasn't too crazy like Batman & robin... I'd say Batman Forever
 
You're right about BF having more one-liners and slightly lighter tone but if the villains in BF weren't so over the top/campy and had the atmosphere/score of Batman 89 and Batman Returns, then I could easily says it's the closest.

But I think B89 was the closest, I could have easily said BF was the closest but the villains being so over the top/campy held that back.

BF was so close to being a great Batman but the over the top/campy villains and some horrible aesthetic choices really held it back from being a great Batman film. I did however, enjoy BF for it was even though it had flaws but at least, it was better than the sheerly awful Batman & Robin.
 
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Is this some kind of joke??? I think TDK was too too serious/realistic and the atmosphere/score does not even come to close BTAS.
Batman in TDK represents Batman from TAS the most and BTAS wasn't Gothic noir as was B89.BF comes very close to BTAS, maybe because it was cartoony.
 
Is this some kind of joke??? I think TDK was too too serious/realistic and the atmosphere/score does not even come to close BTAS.

Get over yourself, man. I swear you break out in hives any time someone ranks TDK as the best.

You have a major chip on your shoulder about it.
 
Batman in TDK represents Batman from TAS the most and BTAS wasn't Gothic noir as was B89.BF comes very close to BTAS, maybe because it was cartoony.

Disagree with everything you said.

I mean, I think the question is answered in the original post. The Burton films inspired the Animated Series and much of the visuals. Batman the Animated Series had a few campy elements, but its underlying themes were incredibly, even shockingly, adult and psychological. I’m always surprised by just how well they hold up by the standards of today. The show isn’t as gratuitously dark as the Burton films, but in spirit it oftentimes was. Dini and Timm just had to find clever ways around the kids cartoon show misnomer, because it’s clearly not intended for kids. So it’s more subtle compared to Tim Burton’s live-action films, but the darkness is still there, you just have to look for it. It’s not blatantly apparent.

Take the episode “Joker’s Favor,” where a man cuts the Joker off on the highway and Mr. J. just isn’t having that. So he tails him, tracks him to this back woods, and threatens to kill him and eventually his family if he doesn’t do him some sort of favor. Nothing is ever firsthand said, no threat is outright mentioned, but it’s clear as crystal. It gets so obvious that the man actually moves states away and changes his name yet is somehow still tracked down and phoned by the Joker himself, who tells him it’s time for his debt to be paid. He then curiously looks out his window, which you see his little boy playing with a foot ball and wife sunbathing…and Jokers goons drive by slowly and suspiciously. Oftentimes what was forced to happen was that the Joker or any other villain attempts a killing and is heroically stopped in the nick of time, not that the violence is inherently not there, but rather it’s sometimes gruesomely attempted, just not carried out to its end due to the censors. Oftentimes the attempt of violence is every bit as grim as seeing it carried out.

The other thing is that Batman the Animated Series was somewhat novel at the time for its use of real guns. In the early 90’s, parents would group together and form children’s safety boards, *****ing and screaming at any cartoon that depicted even mildly realistic violence, fearing we’d become desensitized and blow our classmates away. It’s really astonishing how Bruce Timm got away with what he did, somehow probably only barely passing the censors on most episodes. Consider the Marvel cartoons of the 90’s, when authorities had cheesy laser guns instead of pistols and rifles. Look at G.I. Joe: Real American Hero and Cobra’s infamous terroristic light bright display of weaponry, their only actual threatening arsenal, missiles, always comically missing their target by miles. Not only did the Batman series manage to pull off actual firearms, but time period accurate as well, like the Tommy gun, which was another thing that set the show apart.

Its set in this Tim Burton inspired film noir world. I completely disagree that it’s not. Look at the emphasis upon shadows and darkness covered caricatures in the very opening credits alone! Not to mention both the show and Burtons emphasis upon Pulp stylized gangsters with their Dick Tracy-like zoot suits. I don’t mean to sound rude, but do you know what film/gothic noir even is? The Animated Series is some lost time period with contemporary, even sometimes futuristic by today’s standards, technology exists alongside black and white televisions and 1930’s and 40’s architecture and automobiles. You cannot directly associate this with any pinpoint era; it both blending this timeless classic pulp detective drama with modern Dark Knight Tales, really added some unparalleled artistry to the entire show.

Christopher Nolan doesn’t have much art in his soul when it comes to eye candy. For all his talent on the page, he’s lacking in visuals, possibly due to his real-world agenda, whereas Tim Burton is arguably vice versa. Tim’s almost overly-obsessed with the imagery itself that he prioritizes it over the story. Example; Nolan Gotham City is merely background; it’s a character in Tim Burton and Bruce Timms worlds. Which is one of the many reasons why I think Batman the Animated Series is clearly inspired by, something that is an admitted fact, and toe-to-toe with the Burton films, merely toned down.
 
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Disagree with everything you said.

I mean, I think the question is answered in the original post. The Burton films inspired the Animated Series and much of the visuals. Batman the Animated Series had a few campy elements, but its underlying themes were incredibly, even shockingly, adult and psychological. I’m always surprised by just how well they hold up by the standards of today. The show isn’t as gratuitously dark as the Burton films, but in spirit it oftentimes was. Dini and Timm just had to find clever ways around the kids cartoon show misnomer, because it’s clearly not intended for kids. So it’s more subtle compared to Tim Burton’s live-action films, but the darkness is still there, you just have to look for it. It’s not blatantly apparent.

Take the episode “Joker’s Favor,” where a man cuts the Joker off on the highway and Mr. J. just isn’t having that. So he tails him, tracks him to this back woods, and threatens to kill him and eventually his family if he doesn’t do him some sort of favor. Nothing is ever firsthand said, no threat is outright mentioned, but it’s clear as crystal. It gets so obvious that the man actually moves states away and changes his name yet is somehow still tracked down and phoned by the Joker himself, who tells him it’s time for his debt to be paid. He then curiously looks out his window, which you see his little boy playing with a foot ball and wife sunbathing…and Jokers goons drive by slowly and suspiciously. Oftentimes what was forced to happen was that the Joker or any other villain attempts a killing and is heroically stopped in the nick of time, not that the violence is inherently not there, but rather it’s sometimes gruesomely attempted, just not carried out to its end due to the censors. Oftentimes the attempt of violence is every bit as grim as seeing it carried out.

The other thing is that Batman the Animated Series was somewhat novel at the time for its use of real guns. In the early 90’s, parents would group together and form children’s safety boards, *****ing and screaming at any cartoon that depicted even mildly realistic violence, fearing we’d become desensitized and blow our classmates away. It’s really astonishing how Bruce Timm got away with what he did, somehow probably only barely passing the censors on most episodes. Consider the Marvel cartoons of the 90’s, when authorities had cheesy laser guns instead of pistols and rifles. Look at G.I. Joe: Real American Hero and Cobra’s infamous terroristic light bright display of weaponry, their only actual threatening arsenal, missiles, always comically missing their target by miles. Not only did the Batman series manage to pull off actual firearms, but time period accurate as well, like the Tommy gun, which was another thing that set the show apart.

Its set in this Tim Burton inspired film noir world. I completely disagree that it’s not. Look at the emphasis upon shadows and darkness covered caricatures in the very opening credits alone! Not to mention both the show and Burtons emphasis upon Pulp stylized gangsters with their Dick Tracy-like zoot suits. I don’t mean to sound rude, but do you know what film/gothic noir even is? The Animated Series is some lost time period with contemporary, even sometimes futuristic by today’s standards, technology exists alongside black and white televisions and 1930’s and 40’s architecture and automobiles. You cannot directly associate this with any pinpoint era; it both blending this timeless classic pulp detective drama with modern Dark Knight Tales, really added some unparalleled artistry to the entire show.

Christopher Nolan doesn’t have much art in his soul when it comes to eye candy. For all his talent on the page, he’s lacking in visuals, possibly due to his real-world agenda, whereas Tim Burton is arguably vice versa. Tim’s almost overly-obsessed with the imagery itself that he prioritizes it over the story. Example; Nolan Gotham City is merely background; it’s a character in Tim Burton and Bruce Timms worlds. Which is one of the many reasons why I think Batman the Animated Series is clearly inspired by, something that is an admitted fact, and toe-to-toe with the Burton films, merely toned down.

Well said! :up:
 
BTAS was quite over the place with "I've got batman in my basement" or whatever, then you get a more serious like MotP or the freeze story line.

I think TNBA is more like Batman Forever..however B:TAS is more of a combination of Batman Begins meets B89
 
The visual style was taken from Batman 89 but the characters were from the 70s/80s comics.
 
batman (1989) for sure.

i think the timelessness of burton's movies were a major influence on the series. art deco. the look of the batcave and especially the shape of the batmobile.

danny elfman's score i think is one of the main components of bringing btas to the level it acheived. from what elfman created, shirley walker took and expanded upon to create a whole new world but still kept it grounded in the current feel and mood we were used to.

the audience and batman fans were primed by the atmosphere and darker undertones of burton's films when it came time to do btas.
 
I think it's closer to B89, but a movie that isn't Bat-oriented, that always reminded my of a live action BTAS, was Skycaptain. The first time I saw that movie, I thought it would make for a good Live version of what we saw in the animated series, and I'm still crossing my fingers for that to happen sometime. ;)
 
BTAS is B89 meets BB

I agree with that.

B89 was like the 1939/1940 Batman and BB was like the 70's Batman.

It's also worth mentioning that The Penguin and Catwoman's look in the early episodes of BTAS that ran from 1992-1995 was influenced by BR.
 
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Disagree with everything you said.

I mean, I think the question is answered in the original post. The Burton films inspired the Animated Series and much of the visuals. Batman the Animated Series had a few campy elements, but its underlying themes were incredibly, even shockingly, adult and psychological. I’m always surprised by just how well they hold up by the standards of today. The show isn’t as gratuitously dark as the Burton films, but in spirit it oftentimes was. Dini and Timm just had to find clever ways around the kids cartoon show misnomer, because it’s clearly not intended for kids. So it’s more subtle compared to Tim Burton’s live-action films, but the darkness is still there, you just have to look for it. It’s not blatantly apparent.

Take the episode “Joker’s Favor,” where a man cuts the Joker off on the highway and Mr. J. just isn’t having that. So he tails him, tracks him to this back woods, and threatens to kill him and eventually his family if he doesn’t do him some sort of favor. Nothing is ever firsthand said, no threat is outright mentioned, but it’s clear as crystal. It gets so obvious that the man actually moves states away and changes his name yet is somehow still tracked down and phoned by the Joker himself, who tells him it’s time for his debt to be paid. He then curiously looks out his window, which you see his little boy playing with a foot ball and wife sunbathing…and Jokers goons drive by slowly and suspiciously. Oftentimes what was forced to happen was that the Joker or any other villain attempts a killing and is heroically stopped in the nick of time, not that the violence is inherently not there, but rather it’s sometimes gruesomely attempted, just not carried out to its end due to the censors. Oftentimes the attempt of violence is every bit as grim as seeing it carried out.

The other thing is that Batman the Animated Series was somewhat novel at the time for its use of real guns. In the early 90’s, parents would group together and form children’s safety boards, *****ing and screaming at any cartoon that depicted even mildly realistic violence, fearing we’d become desensitized and blow our classmates away. It’s really astonishing how Bruce Timm got away with what he did, somehow probably only barely passing the censors on most episodes. Consider the Marvel cartoons of the 90’s, when authorities had cheesy laser guns instead of pistols and rifles. Look at G.I. Joe: Real American Hero and Cobra’s infamous terroristic light bright display of weaponry, their only actual threatening arsenal, missiles, always comically missing their target by miles. Not only did the Batman series manage to pull off actual firearms, but time period accurate as well, like the Tommy gun, which was another thing that set the show apart.

Its set in this Tim Burton inspired film noir world. I completely disagree that it’s not. Look at the emphasis upon shadows and darkness covered caricatures in the very opening credits alone! Not to mention both the show and Burtons emphasis upon Pulp stylized gangsters with their Dick Tracy-like zoot suits. I don’t mean to sound rude, but do you know what film/gothic noir even is? The Animated Series is some lost time period with contemporary, even sometimes futuristic by today’s standards, technology exists alongside black and white televisions and 1930’s and 40’s architecture and automobiles. You cannot directly associate this with any pinpoint era; it both blending this timeless classic pulp detective drama with modern Dark Knight Tales, really added some unparalleled artistry to the entire show.

Christopher Nolan doesn’t have much art in his soul when it comes to eye candy. For all his talent on the page, he’s lacking in visuals, possibly due to his real-world agenda, whereas Tim Burton is arguably vice versa. Tim’s almost overly-obsessed with the imagery itself that he prioritizes it over the story. Example; Nolan Gotham City is merely background; it’s a character in Tim Burton and Bruce Timms worlds. Which is one of the many reasons why I think Batman the Animated Series is clearly inspired by, something that is an admitted fact, and toe-to-toe with the Burton films, merely toned down.

Couldn't of said it better myself :wow::up:
 
Batman in TDK represents Batman from TAS the most and BTAS wasn't Gothic noir as was B89.BF comes very close to BTAS, maybe because it was cartoony.

MysterioMenace said:
Disagree with everything you said.

Yeah, I agree with your points about the visual aesthetics being lifted from the Burton movie, but I think bane is on the money about the actual character of the Batman from the Nolan films being most like the character of Batman in TAS.
In both cases he was charismatic, driven, had a bond and active working relationship with Gordon that was shown in the movie, and did not kill people.
edit: Also, they had the same 'playboy' routine of Bruce Wayne to throw off his secret identity.

As TTTC said, the characters from TAS were based on their comics counterparts from the 70s and 80s comics, as I would say the Nolan characters are.
 
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To me, it's a combination of Batman (1989), Batman Returns, and Batman Begins. With some Batman Forever sprinkled in as well.
 
Im really surprised no one has said BR yet. Visually, the city and deep blues look very alike to me. Also Wayne is a business man in both, going to meetings an such.
 
I'm going to say a mix of B89 and BB. The look and feel of the city and atmostphere resembled the Tim Burton gothic meets 40sish look but the character development(and the looks of the characters) resembled Batman Begins more.

Can we all reach that compromise now?
 
Obviously, BTAS takes cues from the Burton movies. Visually and tonally, 89 is probably BTAS's closest cousin. It's got the same retro/indiscernable time period motif. They're very closely connected (of course, some of that is studio mandated, like the DeVito-style Penguin design). And Shirley Walker's music (though it branched off into it's own original brilliancy) was built off Elfman's work. With a few differences, mostly characterization-wise (more on that next), BTAS could've worked almost as a loose continuity animated spinoff of the Burton movies, ala The Mask: The Animated Series.

But as far as characterization goes (for Bruce, specifically), Nolan's is closest. Bale and Conroy are similar in a lot of ways - they're haunted, driven, but NOT crazy. They don't have that demented glint of Keaton's. Their relationship with Alfred also seem more similar (though that may be a case of it just not being covered as much by Burton). Also, of course, their relationship with Gordon. The scene with Batman & Gordon at the Harvey/Dent crime scene was classic BTAS, with Ramirez doing the objecting ("Contaminate it?") like Bullock usually would.

But it's funny to say that these things are "like BTAS". Because really what they're like is the comics. And that's the beautiful thing about BTAS. All the movies seem to have these bits that recall BTAS because BTAS simply covered...pretty much all the bases! You know? Burton's are like some comics, Nolan's are like other comics, yet they're both like BTAS, because BTAS is all the great things about Batman rolled into one.
 

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