What makes America right?

[Unthinkable]

I went to Morocco last summer. Supposedly a moderated country. You'll learn those type of things when they throw stones at your bus...

Of course, those stone throwers represent the whole country.

 

[Computron2005]

I am a Muslim, I don't want to kill you. I guess that makes one less out of 1.2 billion.

 

[Alonsovich]

Of course, those stone throwers represent the whole country.

500.000 inmigrants and 10 bombs in trains here in Madrid give proof of the contrary. 7 centuries of invasion of Spain by them give proof of the contrary. Not a single century with wars between us since the 8th century give proof of the contrary. Their constant claim of spanish territories give proof of the contrary...

 

[The Kingpin]

Answer to topic: because America is the dominant country, and nobody that matters whats to challenge us.

 

[Boy Wonder '04]

I am a Muslim, I don't want to kill you. I guess that makes one less out of 1.2 billion.

I posted this earlier...
A bomb goes off in a marketplace in Jerusalem. A suicide bomber launches himself into a bus full of women and children in Tel Aviv. Foreign tourists get massacred at a holiday resort in Luxor, Egypt. Villages upon villages get annihilated in Algeria. The list of events worldwide which have come to symbolise the 'Islamic terror' are endless. From the times in the 70's and 80's when Pan Am and TWA aeroplanes would be highjacked, to the mid 80's in war torn Lebanon where Americans and Europeans would be held as hostages for years; all such incidents have come to be identified with the religion of Islam. Such incidents from past and present have undoubtedly affected Muslims worldwide and more so in the West. Any Muslim, who wants to practice his/her religion and expresses the pious desire to live under the banner of Islam, is labelled a fundamentalist or extremist. Any Muslim man who walks down a busy street in London or Paris (and Paris moreso) with a beard and a scarf on his head, is looked upon as being a terrorist who's probably got an AK47 stashed somewhere on his person. Muslim women who are veiled can't go anywhere in the Western world without being taunted as being oppressed or being mad (for covering up). However, are such beliefs and opinions about Islam really justified?

 

[Computron2005]

And what did the Spanish do with all non Catholics? or the American Indians? or the African slaves? At one point in time people all over the world have to just let go and forgive each other. We all have blood on our hands and our blood on someone elses hands.

 

[Unthinkable]

500.000 inmigrants and 10 bombs in trains here in Madrid give proof of the contrary. 7 centuries of invasion of Spain by them give proof of the contrary. Not a single century with wars between us since the 8th century give proof of the contrary. Their constant claim of spanish territories give proof of the contrary...

1) Did the bombs get planted by only Morrocans?

2) What? You said seven centuries of invasion, and then you said "not a single century with wars between us since the 8th century."

3) When was the last time... And where would those territories be? And are you still talking about Morroco or North African in general?

 

[Computron2005]

Answer to topic: America represents good values and the people are good at heart, sometimes their overzealousness and eagerness is taken for aggresiveness and leads to tension in foreign policy. Americans do have a little superiority complex at times, but that is understandable as the US is the world power. My only concern is that Americans sometimes don't educate themselves about matters enough and always think their way is the right way, matters and wars that have raged for 1000s of years need a little more attention and investigation before formulating opinions or courses of action.

 

[Alonsovich]

And what did the Spanish do with all non Catholics? or the American Indians? or the African slaves? At one point in time people all over the world have to just let go and forgive each other. We all have blood on our hands and our blood on someone elses hands.

Do you actually think they don't hate us for that? Thank you very much for the peace offer, but I'm fed up of seeing this people attack us at all time. Or they adapt, or they go out of here back to Morocco. Did you know that the train bombers here were all from Morocco? No other nationalities, just Morocco...

 

[Unthinkable]

Do you actually think they don't hate us for that? Thank you very much for the peace offer, but I'm fed up of seeing this people attack us at all time. Or they adapt, or they go out of here back to Morocco. Did you know that the train bombers here were all from Morocco? No other nationalities, just Morocco...

Really, wow, did not know that. But either way more hate isn't going to help anyone.

Back on topic, the answer I believe is that the dominating country is us right now, and we can be damned arrogant.

 

[Computron2005]

But you still think ALL the Muslims in the WHOLE world are like that?

 

[Boy Wonder '04]

One of the many short comings which has arisen in the West, is judging Islam by the conduct of a minority of its people. By doing this, segments of Western society have deliberately played off the desperate actions of many Muslims, and have given it the name of Islam. Such behaviour is clearly not objective and seeks to distort the reality of Islam. For if such a thing was done Judge a religion by the conduct of its people then we too could say that all Christianity is about is child molesting and homosexuality whilst Hinduism was all about looting and breaking up mosques. Generalising in such a manner is not seen as being objective, yet we find that the Western world is foremost in propagating this outlook on Islam. So what is the reality of Islam? How does one dispel the myths which have been created and spread so viciously? The only way to examine Islam is to simply examine its belief system. Look at its sources, the Qur'an and Sunna, and see what they have to say. This is the way to find the truth about what Islam says about terror, terrorism and terrorists. [/b]One who is sincerely searching for the truth, will do it no other way. The very name Islam comes from the Arabic root word 'salama' which means peace. Islam is a religion which is based upon achieving peace through the submission to the will of Allah.[/b] Thus, by this very simple linguistic definition, one can ascertain as to what the nature of this religion is. If such a religion is based on the notion of peace, then how is it that so many acts done by its adherents are contrary to peace? The answer is simple. Such actions, if not sanctioned by the religion, have no place with it. They are not Islamic and should not be thought of as Islamic.

 

[Alonsovich]

1) Did the bombs get planted by only Morrocans?

2) What? You said seven centuries of invasion, and then you said "not a single century with wars between us since the 8th century."

3) When was the last time... And where would those territories be? And are you still talking about Morroco or North African in general?

1) Yes.

2) They invaded us in the 8th century except for a small territory in the north. From there until we kicked them out there were constant battles until the ending of the 15th century. Since then, they have made revolutions and and wars claiming territories that belong us by international law.

3) 2 years ago. The Leila island conflict. They're claiming also Ceuta, Melilla and the Canary Islands. There have been other wars this century. The Ifni war in the 50s (my father fought there BTW) and the Sahara conflict where the government of Morocco is ethnically cleaning the Sahara region from the Saharauis just for their support to the Spaniards...

 

[Alonsovich]

But you still think ALL the Muslims in the WHOLE world are like that?

It's suspiciously similar to what's happening in other countries. Oh and the name with which Bin Laden refers to Spain is Al-Andalus, which was the name of Spain under Arab domination. We're a prioritary country for Al-Qaeda. If you didn't know this week a commando was arrested. They were going to blast the Superior Court in 2 weeks with a truck with 1000 pounds of explosives...

 

[Unthinkable]

Well put Boy Wonder, though it is sad that a select few have undermined the very base of Islam by acting so violently, though many wars has been fought under the banner of religion.

 

[Computron2005]

It's suspiciously similar to what's happening in other countries...

Well, dang, I don't think anything I will ever say will change your mind. All I can say is that I hope my ACTIONS as A Muslim and other moderate Muslims around the world can make you see a different light.

 

[Doomed_hero]

the amount of ignorance on these boards is amazing. You talk about Muslims track record, well every reilgion has a flawed track record and extremist. You can't blame all who worship just cause of a few idiots. That is just ignorance at its core.

 

[cryptic name]

No, it's an opinion, and one held by much of the world.

much of the world is incorrect

 

[Victor Von Doom]

Correct is a relative term

 

[Corinthian™]

much of the world is incorrect

like Doomy said here... correct is a relative term...

for most of the people USA is evil... why?

becasue thanks to the USA they are getting poor.. so they have to go to the USA to work and bring some dollars to their people... some of them are shot when they are spotted... some of them die on the dessert or on the river... some of them make it and try to make a living by a crappy wage...

Don't you think that they have a good reason to call the USA evil?

 

[The Democrat]

I posted this earlier...
A bomb goes off in a marketplace in Jerusalem. A suicide bomber launches himself into a bus full of women and children in Tel Aviv. Foreign tourists get massacred at a holiday resort in Luxor, Egypt. Villages upon villages get annihilated in Algeria. The list of events worldwide which have come to symbolise the 'Islamic terror' are endless. From the times in the 70's and 80's when Pan Am and TWA aeroplanes would be highjacked, to the mid 80's in war torn Lebanon where Americans and Europeans would be held as hostages for years; all such incidents have come to be identified with the religion of Islam. Such incidents from past and present have undoubtedly affected Muslims worldwide and more so in the West. Any Muslim, who wants to practice his/her religion and expresses the pious desire to live under the banner of Islam, is labelled a fundamentalist or extremist. Any Muslim man who walks down a busy street in London or Paris (and Paris moreso) with a beard and a scarf on his head, is looked upon as being a terrorist who's probably got an AK47 stashed somewhere on his person. Muslim women who are veiled can't go anywhere in the Western world without being taunted as being oppressed or being mad (for covering up). However, are such beliefs and opinions about Islam really justified?

No and infact they are just as ignorant and "evil" as the beliefs that say all Americans want to take over islamic countries and spit on Allah.

 

[suicideking15]

to answer your initial question, might makes right and weve got that. Dont **** with the US

 

[maxwell's demon]

. that kind of mentality makes me sad.

 

[Phaser]

To qoute a thug in Max Payne, how the world talks to the U.S -

"Hey, you got the gun, you make the rules."

 

[Nitehawk013]

Well, you know we pretty much feed and finance the entire world thereby preventing them all from dying. If they do not respect us for that then screw them. I would rather them have a healthy fear of our power than nothing at all. They aren't going to respect us nomatter what. They are too busy resenting us b/c we are better than them. I say, It's better to be feared sometimes than respected. And a real healthy dose of fear will keep them in line.