What makes America right?

BlackHardKnight said:
That is so true on what this coutry is founded on.
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No, our country was not founded on a single religion. That is exactly what the founders of our country opposed, they BROKE with the church of england. That is why we have no established religion. If you read papers and essays by the founding fathers, franklin, jefferson, hancock, stockton, washington, even hamilton, it is clear they did not want a single established religion in this country, nor did they believe or intend for the country to be christianity based.
 
Spider-Nerd said:
No, our country was not founded on a single religion. That is exactly what the founders of our country opposed, they BROKE with the church of england. That is why we have no established religion. If you read papers and essays by the founding fathers, franklin, jefferson, hancock, stockton, washington, even hamilton, it is clear they did not want a single established religion in this country, nor did they believe or intend for the country to be christianity based.
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Just a little question. Why the sentence "In God we trust"? :confused:
 
"in god we trust" was not coined by our founding fathers.
 
Corinthian said:
really?:confused:

oh... well...:o
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Fact Sheets: Currency & Coins
History of 'In God We Trust'

The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861. It was written to Secretary Chase by Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania, and read:

Dear Sir: You are about to submit your annual report to the Congress respecting the affairs of the national finances.

One fact touching our currency has hitherto been seriously overlooked. I mean the recognition of the Almighty God in some form on our coins.

You are probably a Christian. What if our Republic were not shattered beyond reconstruction? Would not the antiquaries of succeeding centuries rightly reason from our past that we were a heathen nation? What I propose is that instead of the goddess of liberty we shall have next inside the 13 stars a ring inscribed with the words PERPETUAL UNION; within the ring the allseeing eye, crowned with a halo; beneath this eye the American flag, bearing in its field stars equal to the number of the States united; in the folds of the bars the words GOD, LIBERTY, LAW.

This would make a beautiful coin, to which no possible citizen could object. This would relieve us from the ignominy of heathenism. This would place us openly under the Divine protection we have personally claimed. From my hearth I have felt our national shame in disowning God as not the least of our present national disasters.

To you first I address a subject that must be agitated.

As a result, Secretary Chase instructed James Pollock, Director of the Mint at Philadelphia, to prepare a motto, in a letter dated November 20, 1861:

Dear Sir: No nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense. The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins.

You will cause a device to be prepared without unnecessary delay with a motto expressing in the fewest and tersest words possible this national recognition.

It was found that the Act of Congress dated January 18, 1837, prescribed the mottoes and devices that should be placed upon the coins of the United States. This meant that the mint could make no changes without the enactment of additional legislation by the Congress. In December 1863, the Director of the Mint submitted designs for new one-cent coin, two-cent coin, and three-cent coin to Secretary Chase for approval. He proposed that upon the designs either OUR COUNTRY; OUR GOD or GOD, OUR TRUST should appear as a motto on the coins. In a letter to the Mint Director on December 9, 1863, Secretary Chase stated:

I approve your mottoes, only suggesting that on that with the Washington obverse the motto should begin with the word OUR, so as to read OUR GOD AND OUR COUNTRY. And on that with the shield, it should be changed so as to read: IN GOD WE TRUST.

The Congress passed the Act of April 22, 1864. This legislation changed the composition of the one-cent coin and authorized the minting of the two-cent coin. The Mint Director was directed to develop the designs for these coins for final approval of the Secretary. IN GOD WE TRUST first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin.

Another Act of Congress passed on March 3, 1865. It allowed the Mint Director, with the Secretary's approval, to place the motto on all gold and silver coins that "shall admit the inscription thereon." Under the Act, the motto was placed on the gold double-eagle coin, the gold eagle coin, and the gold half-eagle coin. It was also placed on the silver dollar coin, the half-dollar coin and the quarter-dollar coin, and on the nickel three-cent coin beginning in 1866. Later, Congress passed the Coinage Act of February 12, 1873. It also said that the Secretary "may cause the motto IN GOD WE TRUST to be inscribed on such coins as shall admit of such motto."

The use of IN GOD WE TRUST has not been uninterrupted. The motto disappeared from the five-cent coin in 1883, and did not reappear until production of the Jefferson nickel began in 1938. Since 1938, all United States coins bear the inscription. Later, the motto was found missing from the new design of the double-eagle gold coin and the eagle gold coin shortly after they appeared in 1907. In response to a general demand, Congress ordered it restored, and the Act of May 18, 1908, made it mandatory on all coins upon which it had previously appeared. IN GOD WE TRUST was not mandatory on the one-cent coin and five-cent coin. It could be placed on them by the Secretary or the Mint Director with the Secretary's approval.

The motto has been in continuous use on the one-cent coin since 1909, and on the ten-cent coin since 1916. It also has appeared on all gold coins and silver dollar coins, half-dollar coins, and quarter-dollar coins struck since July 1, 1908.

A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the motto entered circulation on October 1, 1957. The Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) was converting to the dry intaglio printing process. During this conversion, it gradually included IN GOD WE TRUST in the back design of all classes and denominations of currency.

As a part of a comprehensive modernization program the BEP successfully developed and installed new high-speed rotary intaglio printing presses in 1957. These allowed BEP to print currency by the dry intaglio process, 32 notes to the sheet. One-dollar silver certificates were the first denomination printed on the new high-speed presses. They included IN GOD WE TRUST as part of the reverse design as BEP adopted new dies according to the law. The motto also appeared on one-dollar silver certificates of the 1957-A and 1957-B series.

BEP prints United States paper currency by an intaglio process from engraved plates. It was necessary, therefore, to engrave the motto into the printing plates as a part of the basic engraved design to give it the prominence it deserved.

One-dollar silver certificates series 1935, 1935-A, 1935-B, 1935-C, 1935-D, 1935-E, 1935-F, 1935-G, and 1935-H were all printed on the older flat-bed presses by the wet intaglio process. P.L. 84-140 recognized that an enormous expense would be associated with immediately replacing the costly printing plates. The law allowed BEP to gradually convert to the inclusion of IN GOD WE TRUST on the currency. Accordingly, the motto is not found on series 1935-E and 1935-F one-dollar notes. By September 1961, IN GOD WE TRUST had been added to the back design of the Series 1935-G notes. Some early printings of this series do not bear the motto. IN GOD WE TRUST appears on all series 1935-H one-dollar silver certificates.


http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml
 
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*knocks sensesless Spider-nerd*

Ahoy mate spaniard...

let this thread be highjacked by Cap'n Corinthian Silverthong:mad:
 
Constantine J. said:
Well, yes, and no, This is a kind of revisionist History that kind of has America (More Like the U.S.A.) were it is today (America is a continent you know?).
I don't think the U.S. is better or worse than Most countries, In fact, many of you might not know this but the U.S. resisted the growing trend in the world (At the time) to end slavery, so much so that civil war ensued (and even that one was not all about slavery) so, while there has been instances were the U.S. has presented the world with a good example it's also to self involved and isolationist in a way, just look at your statement, you mention prayer in school and the lack of it, as a reason people are bereft of moral values, but prayer in school was eliminated to not exclude other denominations, because there are, yet still, a growing rift between races and creeds have prevailed in this bastion of freedom?
It's the exact mindset that creates this, while I will agree with you about voting democrat or republican based solely on party is wrong, I think that there 's far more wrong with the outlook of the average U.S. citizen these days.
at least half of them say they are "Pro-life" when it comes to abortion, but they don't seem to have any trouble with the president killing thousands of human beings overseas, all the while the fiction put forth by the administration dissolving in their very eyes. there's a strange set of morals there, I'm not quite sure how to put it.
the U.S. actually, Is right in very seldom instances, it's just that they are the biggest on the block, so who could oposse?
think about this, Reagan has been hailed as a great leader (I disagree) but it was reagan and his Vp (Bush) who armed Iraq so he could fight Iran.
all the while arming Iran so it could fight Iraq.
see the dishonesty behind those manouvers? can you see how people in other countries could begin to see the U.S. in less than a favorable light?
not only that, but the U.S. has what is tantamount to an empire all throughout the world, and It can do what it pleases, this sooner rather than later will bring consequences.
In the end the original question is "What Makes America Right?" nothing.....
it's not right. further more it does not have the right to enforce "freedom" all through world at the barrell of a gun.
It's peculiar to me, to see the average American say "well we had to save those poor Iraqis, they weren't free" but if you were to ask them if they would endorse their government in helping other countries through non-lethal manners a lot of them would say "Take care of America first!" so....you can see how strange this sounds to any thinking individual.
I was watching SNL last saturday, and it had a sketch featuring Jude Law as Tony Blair, it centered around him taking a vacation in the U.S> because after the Brittish people found out that there where no WMD's his approval rating had dropped. and then he said something like...
"it's admirable how you Americans still stand behind your president even after all the Lies and Mistakes..."

something like that.
It was funny, but due to the circumstances it was not HA HA! funny.
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WOW. And you accused me of being revisioist. You seem like a fairly intelligent individual, but to gain true knowledge and wisdom, you have got to stop taking everything in through your obviously biased filter.
 
It seems funny to me that Constantine and a few other Brits run their mouths about how America isn't the greatest nation. Hey genius, you would all be speaking German and be under the rule of a Nazi dictator if not for the good ol U S of A coming over to bail out your whole freakin continent. Your whole country, and France as well, has never been able to stand up to jack squat without us coming to your aid. Don't sit there drinking you frickin tea and eatin biscuits and run your pathetic mouth about the country that saved your behinds time and time again.
 
Nitehawk013 said:
It seems funny to me that Constantine and a few other Brits run their mouths about how America isn't the greatest nation. Hey genius, you would all be speaking German and be under the rule of a Nazi dictator if not for the good ol U S of A coming over to bail out your whole freakin continent. Your whole country, and France as well, has never been able to stand up to jack squat without us coming to your aid. Don't sit there drinking you frickin tea and eatin biscuits and run your pathetic mouth about the country that saved your behinds time and time again.
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Thanks for proving their point. The truth is with out them we would not have been able to hold off the Axis powers. Hell without France we wouldn't have an America. Sometimes you need to just shut the hell up if you don't have anything intelligent to say.
 
Corinthian said:
not going to read through a lot of uninformed crap from teenagers who've been rised to think "America is the superior nation"...
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...or maybe some of us can form our own conclusions, gasp! maybe not all teenagers are programmed...maybe...

(i shouldn't have enen dignified this with a response)
 
bluejake01 said:
Explain the difference to me. Was 9/11 murder? or Killing?
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*murder- the unlawful killing of one human by another with premeditated malice.

*kill-to put to death.

a murder is usually unprovoked, and is committed with the express desire to kill. so yes, the event on september the 11th was murder in that the terrorists purposefully killed thousands of innocent people that had nothing to do with them or their cause simply to make a point.

killing, on the other hand is simply ending a life. like, execution is killing but not murder. what soldiers do is not murder because they are not their to simply kill people(and when they do it is enemy soldiers, when they kill innocents it is not on purpose and therefore not murder,) they are there to do a job. they are not allowed to fire unless fired upon.

so murder is killing, but killing is not murder.
kind of like squares are rectangles, but rectangles aren't squares.
 
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