What makes America right?

[Doomed_hero]

It seems funny to me that Constantine and a few other Brits run their mouths about how America isn't the greatest nation. Hey genius, you would all be speaking German and be under the rule of a Nazi dictator if not for the good ol U S of A coming over to bail out your whole freakin continent. Your whole country, and France as well, has never been able to stand up to jack squat without us coming to your aid. Don't sit there drinking you frickin tea and eatin biscuits and run your pathetic mouth about the country that saved your behinds time and time again.

ummm first off Constantine is not british. And second, this is what I hate most in this country, this feeling of we are better then everyone else. First British held off the Nazis long before we showed up, and today they are allies of are. And next you want to attack the French? Well if it was not for there underground intellgence, D-Day and many other attacks would not have been possible. So get this arrogant additude that we are always right and can do everything without help from others. Its this arrogance that caused Veitnam and Iraq.

 

[Matt]

Matt I agree with you on almost every issue but here I absolutely have to disagree.

Many things are subjective in this world, many issues are nuanced and complex but murder is not one of them. Hijacking four planes with innocent people aboard and smashing them into the economic center of the world where thousands of innocent people visit daily and the Pentagon is wrong. There can be no justification for it. I would also say that the same is true of so called "collateral Damage". There is no differance between innocent civilians in America and innocent civilians in Iraq. I'm not comparing our troops or military tactics with those of the terrorists but rather the ideology that says that its acceptable.

The irony lies in the perceptions. We are villified daily by these extremists just as we villify them daily. Many people don't differentiate between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden and Ahmed who works at the bazar. The same is true of many in the middle east, they don't differentiate between our leaders like George W. Bush or John Kerry and Joe who works at the mall. Its a simplistic view held to constantly raise and hold the fear level. You scare enough people long enough you can get them to agree to anything as long as you convince them that they will be safer.

To them there is justification. We have been occupying their holy lands for years. Do I agree with their tactics of attacking civilians? No. Do I think the sons of a *****es should burn? Absolutely...but in their minds, they are absolutely right.

 

[Matt]

It seems funny to me that Constantine and a few other Brits run their mouths about how America isn't the greatest nation. Hey genius, you would all be speaking German and be under the rule of a Nazi dictator if not for the good ol U S of A coming over to bail out your whole freakin continent. Your whole country, and France as well, has never been able to stand up to jack squat without us coming to your aid. Don't sit there drinking you frickin tea and eatin biscuits and run your pathetic mouth about the country that saved your behinds time and time again.

Learn your historic facts boy...Hitler would've lost regardless of if we intervened because he was no military leader. He was foolish enough to fight a double front. England and Russia alongside the French resistance would've beaten Hitler.

And don't trash the English, if it wasn't for the RAF, there is a good chance Hitler would've defeated England before the Soviet Union intervened if the RAF didn't defend London as bravely if they did. Otherwise England would've fallen, Russia would've fallen and we would've had to fight a war across the ocean with no support, a war we could not fight, there is a good chance Germany would've developed the nuclear bomb before us, and we would have lost. Don't be so foolish to trash England. They were the ones brave enough to fight the war for 3 years before we got off our asses.

 

[ahw]

Learn your historic facts boy...Hitler would've lost regardless of if we intervened because he was no military leader. He was foolish enough to fight a double front. England and Russia alongside the French resistance would've beaten Hitler.

And don't trash the English, if it wasn't for the RAF, there is a good chance Hitler would've defeated England before the Soviet Union intervened if the RAF didn't defend London as bravely if they did. Otherwise England would've fallen, Russia would've fallen and we would've had to fight a war across the ocean with no support, a war we could not fight, there is a good chance Germany would've developed the nuclear bomb before us, and we would have lost. Don't be so foolish to trash England. They were the ones brave enough to fight the war for 3 years before we got off our asses.

Actually, Russia would not have fallen. In fact it was Russia who defeated the Nazi's before the rest of the Allies, Why you ask? because they had the most devastating weapon against the german troops, the russian winter.

 

[Corinthian™]

Actually, Russia would not have fallen. In fact it was Russia who defeated the Nazi's before the rest of the Allies, Why you ask? because they had the most devastating weapon against the german troops, the russian winter.

weapon of double edge... poor guys... they lost all of what they were harvesting... another reson why Socialism didn't work..

 

[Matt]

Actually, Russia would not have fallen. In fact it was Russia who defeated the Nazi's before the rest of the Allies, Why you ask? because they had the most devastating weapon against the german troops, the russian winter.

If Hitler had taken Britian it would've taken time to stabilze it and actually invade Russia, the Russian winter would've passed and Hitler would've marched through Russia.

 

[ahw]

If Hitler had taken Britian it would've taken time to stabilze it and actually invade Russia, the Russian winter would've passed and Hitler would've marched through Russia.

Might have been, however the russians calculated in this game. They didn't put up much of resistance instead they retreated abd burned their crop fields. They let the germans into the country and waited till a large portion of them died of hunger, diseases and so on. Heck it was so cold even the oil and gas inside the machines froze. All the Russians had to do later on was push the wretched german troops back tp berlin. Quite a cool tactic if you think about it.

 

[Matt]

Might have been, however the russians calculated in this game. They didn't put up much of resistance instead they retreated abd burned their crop fields. They let the germans into the country and waited till a large portion of them died of hunger, diseases and so on. Heck it was so cold even the oil and gas inside the machines froze. All the Russians had to do later on was push the wretched german troops back tp berlin. Quite a cool tactic if you think about it.

But it only worked because it was the Russian winter...it would not have worked if it were the Russian summer.

 

[ahw]

But it only worked because it was the Russian winter...it would not have worked if it were the Russian summer.

true ... actually it's kinda weird dontcha agree? everytime some shmuck attacks Russia they attack in the winter, I mean Napoleon failed that way too.

 

[TLATOANI]

USA is the evil in this world

 

[C. Lee]

USA is the evil in this world

You have a one track mind there don'tcha.....now excuse me while I go kick a puppy.

 

[The Riddler]

Why are we the good guys? What is your answer to this. What makes us the good guys as a general rule?

what are you talking about.

we aren't the good guys..

we're just the big bully.

 

[bluejake01]

*murder- the unlawful killing of one human by another with premeditated malice.

*kill-to put to death.

a murder is usually unprovoked, and is committed with the express desire to kill. so yes, the event on september the 11th was murder in that the terrorists purposefully killed thousands of innocent people that had nothing to do with them or their cause simply to make a point.

killing, on the other hand is simply ending a life. like, execution is killing but not murder. what soldiers do is not murder because they are not their to simply kill people(and when they do it is enemy soldiers, when they kill innocents it is not on purpose and therefore not murder,) they are there to do a job. they are not allowed to fire unless fired upon.

so murder is killing, but killing is not murder.
kind of like squares are rectangles, but rectangles aren't squares.

And yet if you kill someone on accident you are still going to go to jail. Who gets held accountable for the millions of innocent people that the US has killed over the years and written off as "collateral damage"? Those statistics were actually people, that had families and did no wrong.

Now, as for moral relativism, what we do when we wage war is an act that we know will end in innocent death. There is no way to avoid it. We know absolutely we will kill innocent people, so should we not be held to a standard that ensures that when we wage war it is a matter of self deffence, and self deffence only? Over the last 60 years we have, as a nation began to alter our foriegn policy, twist it, subvert it. We now wage war for political gain, or to stop what may at some point become a threat. If a war is not waged for self deffence, then the innocent people lost by our actions were murdered.

 

[maxwell's demon]

skip it.

for some people moral relativism only applies when they can use it against others.

 

[bluejake01]

skip it.

for some people moral relativism only applies when they can use it against others.

Wouldn't it be nice to live in a world where ALL people considered all sides of an argument, with an open mind, before forming an opinion?

 

[BaleGal]

That would be Utopia and sadly, that's not the world that we live in.

 

[Nitehawk013]

War is done when it is necessary. I don't care if it is for self-defense or if it is done as a pre-emptive strike. War is not this altogether evil thing. War is a good thing when it defeats and destroys evil. Granted you may live in a grey world of relativism, I do not. 99% of things are clear. Black and white. WWII was necessary, Gulf war was necessary, this war was not only necessary but it should have been taken care of years ago. At the end of the day I don't know how people opposed to Pres. Bush and this war can't think straight and say, "We have rid the world of Saddam, his sons, 75% of AlQuida, and freed millions from bloodthirsty dictators. It has been worth every penny and lost soldier." It seems pretty easy to see it was worth it to me.

 

[Constantine J.]

War is done when it is necessary. I don't care if it is for self-defense or if it is done as a pre-emptive strike.

It's not all grey, it's pretty clear to me that advocating a war that does not affect your daily life or put a high number of yoyr loved ones at risk everyday is higly dubious.

 

[Nitehawk013]

It's not all grey, it's pretty clear to me that advocating a war that does not affect your daily life or put a high number of yoyr loved ones at risk everyday is higly dubious.

First I don't want to wait for people like Saddam and his regime to affect my daily life the way 9/11 did. I would just as soon say we go hammer them into the dirt first. Second, he did put my family and loved ones at risk everyday. Whether you can admit it or not, Saddam and his regime hated us and wanted us dead. He in fact did make it clear he was willing to finance the assasination of our president. He was dangerous and did want to hurt America. We are the "great Satan" to him remember. As long as he was free, he was able to put a plan into action to kill me and my family. Why is that so hard for you to understand? How is it not better that we went and got him out of power before he was able to do worse to us than 9/11?

 

[Constantine J.]

First I don't want to wait for people like Saddam and his regime to affect my daily life the way 9/11 did. I would just as soon say we go hammer them into the dirt first. Second, he did put my family and loved ones at risk everyday.

how?

 

[cryptic name]

USA is the evil in this world

that's incorrect

 

[bluejake01]

that's incorrect

No, it's an opinion, and one held by much of the world.

 

[Alonsovich]

USA is the evil in this world

Yeah, as if there weren't 1.2 billion nuts that want to impose islam to the rest of the world...

 

[Computron2005]

Yup all muslims are like that,

Way to reply at a dumbass comment with another dumbass comment

 

[Alonsovich]

Yup all muslims are like that,

Way to reply at a dumbass comment with another dumbass comment

I went to Morocco last summer. Supposedly a moderated country. You'll learn those type of things when they throw stones at your bus...