The Avengers What people DIDN'T like from The Avenger ........Spoilers - Part 1

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Okay now, IMO Hulk looked 1000% better in the Avengers. But yeah, did Lou Ferrigno do his roar in Avengers?

That is impossible to determine since the Hulk roar & other Hulk sounds can be recreated in a sound studio by anyone nowadays. Hulk definitely sounded a 1000% better in the Incredible Hulk movie in which case I was disappointed with the way he sounded in Avengers.

 

[<(o_o)>]

That's odd, considering that the actor who plays him is black.

But incidentally, Thanos, like his brother Eros (Starfox), was born as lily-white as they come. There's several comics that show Thanos as a child with his family, and he's white and normal-looking. The Deviant gene didn't take hold until he was an adult.

As for the mid-credit scene: his hand looked purple enough to me. The lighting emphasized that.

Who will actually be playing Thanos? Kinda looked like Ron Perlman in the makeup to me.

 

[<(o_o)>]

You know, after a few months of finally digesting the film, along with having seen the film multiple times, as much as I enjoyed it and thought it was great, here are some of the things that I had some issues with for the film:

1. I thought the gun fight between Loki's mercenaries and Fury/SHIELD Agents in the hellcarrier were pretty tame. I mean, maybe this is just a personal preference of mine, but I had been hoping for something a bit more exciting and better choreographed/chaotic in the same sense of the gun fights you'd see in films such as Star Trek or even any Michael Bay Film, but without the cheesy dialogue.

2. I would have loved to have seen the group fight an onslaught of Aliens TOGETHER instead of just seeing them taking on the enemy by having some Avengers here and there. I mean I thought it was kind of funny to think that as soon as we finally get the group united, we cut to them splitting up again to take on the threat in different areas. While that made totally sense given what they had to do, I would have enjoyed seeing them take on Loki and a large group of aliens TOGETHER/IN THE SAME AREA before they scattered to their respective areas.

3. While it's naturally assumed and common sense that many people died during the Invasion, it wouldn't have hurt to actually see a body count to further emphasize on that. I can't remember ever seeing any civilian or cop get killed or shot in the invasion. If there's one thing that Michael Bay is good at is that he knows how to create scenes where you see the casualties caused by the antagonistic group, and I wish we could have seen something similar to that here.

Yeah, with the exception of a few deaths early on you never really get the feeling that New York citizens were really put in that big a jeopardy by the alien invasion. Hundreds could have been injured or killed but we as viewers would never know it since no emphasis was placed on anybody else but the Avengers fighting the aliens on screen. Its like the movie forgot what it wanted to be by the 3rd act & just turned into a live action cartoon episode were nobody seems to get hurt.

 

[Dark Raven]

I hated that they cut out the original Captain America scene.



When the Hulk went on his Hellcarrier rampage, I was hoping he would stop when he came across Widow trapped against the wall because she would've reminded him of Betty (kind of like how Betty calmed him down in San Francisco in the first Hulk movie), but because of Loki's doing, it looked like Hulk was going to punch her!

How difficult can it be to re-edit it back into the movie? Even for a fan to do so?

 

[Quasimod0]

Thanos' hand is white. I have the blu ray. Its pretty clear. But its really odd that his hand doesnt seem to match the rest of him

 

[Human Torch]

Okay now, IMO Hulk looked 1000% better in the Avengers. But yeah, did Lou Ferrigno do his roar in Avengers?

What I didn't care much for were some of Ape-ish movements of the Hulk.

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah, with the exception of a few deaths early on you never really get the feeling that New York citizens were really put in that big a jeopardy by the alien invasion. Hundreds could have been injured or killed but we as viewers would never know it since no emphasis was placed on anybody else but the Avengers fighting the aliens on screen. Its like the movie forgot what it wanted to be by the 3rd act & just turned into a live action cartoon episode were nobody seems to get hurt.

Agreed.

In some ways, I really do feel like Marvel Studios has really tamed their films ever since 2008. I mean, films like "Iron Man 1" and "The Incredible Hulk" had a more grittier vibe to them, especially when it came to dealing with collateral damage/body counts. Heck, I haven't seen a scene as powerful as the Ten Rings invading the village and dragging/killing the innocent people there before Iron man arrives in any other Marvel Studios film.

Ever Since Iron Man 2, you don't really see any civilians get hurt/injured/harmed on screen. It's just all implied really. I mean, look at the Destroyer invading New Mexico. You never see it really harming any citizen since most were already out of the city, and the same goes with Captain America, or even the Attack on Stark Expo sequence in Iron Man 2.

I mean it's like they're afraid to go there simply because they want to bring in as many adolescents to these films as possible, in a similar manner to how the WWE is doing with their own product

 

[Obi-Ron]

I didn't like how no one helped Hulk when he was gang-lasered by the Chitauri. Not realy sure how he got out of it, next time we see him he is alone, watching Tony fly by with the nuke.

 

[spidermanJLA!~]

What I didn't care much for were some of Ape-ish movements of the Hulk.

I can get what mean there. I heard Mark Ruffalo say that in an interview, that the 3d capture will make Hulk move like an ape. But I don't like gorilla-Hulk either.

 

[Vartha]

What I didn't care much for were some of Ape-ish movements of the Hulk.

I actually liked those. To ME it made you realise Hulk was more primitive than Banner in many ways, not just some over sized green guy.

 

[spidermanJLA!~]

I actually like a big green man. I don't want Hulk too smart though, that's the Frankenstein's monster in him. He has emotions and stuff but rage consumes him.

 

[Herolee10]

With the sequel, I really hope that we get a sequence where we see the entire group fighting TOGETHER instead of them being spread out into different areas, with only a few of them fighting together or in pairs.

I was like expecting for the group to start going in a all out brawl with the Alien Soldiers after the Hulk destroyed the first flying Dragon, especially since the buildings around them in that area were being invested with dozens of soldiers. But instead, as soon as the group gets together, they immediately split up again.

I may enjoy the film for what it is and for what it achieved, but wow, I'm starting to really notice a lot of the issues that I've had or am beginning to have with it. Not so much where it takes away my enjoyment from the film, but just having the feeling at times that the film could have been much bigger than what was eventually presented.

 

[metaphysician]

I didn't like how no one helped Hulk when he was gang-lasered by the Chitauri. Not realy sure how he got out of it, next time we see him he is alone, watching Tony fly by with the nuke.

By that point in the battle, *everyone* was starting to get on the ropes. I'm not sure there was anyone free to help the Hulk.

 

[Golgo-13]

The score is still lacking.

 

[spidermanJLA!~]

I actually liked the score. I though The Avengers theme was very heroic.

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[BigThor]

I disagree. Not only is he in the front of the posters and covers, but he also saved the day
at the end.

Robert Downey Jr. seems like a down to Earth guy. I don't see him being the kind of actor who would demand top billing / more time on camera (Edward Norton I could see doing that though) so I'm pretty sure this is studio politics 101 since Iron Man was Marvel's first movie and made a lot of money, but I hate how Captain America played second fiddle despite being leader of the team IMO.

How can you disagree with facts?

It's been proven that Chris Evans had more screentime than RDJ, and they both had far more screentime than Hemsworth

 

[Herolee10]

It's been proven that Chris Evans had more screentime than RDJ, and they both had far more screentime than Hemsworth

Oh yeah; and if they had kept Evans's man out of time sequence, then he would have had even more ST than RDJ too; plus, Steve Rogers is shown throughout the entire film in even doses. A lot of the characters disappear and reappear after a gap in the film; and yeah, even SJ had more ST I believe than Chris Hemsworth.

 

[Squaremaster316]

- Where was Rhodey?
- If Thor can travel to Earth, why not the Warrior's Three?
- How are they able to talk to each other during battle without headsets or ear pieces?
- Why not just infect Fury's mind instead of random personnel to take over the Network from within?
- Phantom Menace style ending.
- Why can't Thor break out of the glass casing with Mjolnir?
- Loki is not a very threatening villain.
- First 20 minutes aren't very engaging.

 

[Vartha]

- Where was Rhodey?
- If Thor can travel to Earth, why not the Warrior's Three?
- How are they able to talk to each other during battle without headsets or ear pieces?
- Why not just infect Fury's mind instead of random personnel to take over the Network from within?

- Why can't Thor break out of the glass casing with Mjolnir?
- Loki is not a very threatening villain.
- First 20 minutes aren't very engaging.

1. Rhodey is probably on base, he IS in the military in California.

2. Thor and Banner were the only ones who DIDn't have the ear pieces, Cap's was built in, Widow's was hidden by her hair and Hawkeye had one.

3. I wondered that too, but didn't bother me.

4. because it was built for Hulk and everytime you hit the glass the cage would drop while it was IN the helicarrier. While falling it was another story just getting the right footing to propel himself at the thick glass

5. WITH the scepter Loki was pretty powerful

 

[Dugath]

- Where was Rhodey?
- If Thor can travel to Earth, why not the Warrior's Three?
- How are they able to talk to each other during battle without headsets or ear pieces?
- Why not just infect Fury's mind instead of random personnel to take over the Network from within?
- Phantom Menace style ending.
- Why can't Thor break out of the glass casing with Mjolnir?
- Loki is not a very threatening villain.
- First 20 minutes aren't very engaging.

1- Where is Spider-man? X men? every other Marvel Super hero, guess they are busy.

2- Because I believe it was said it took a lot of magic for Odin to send Thor back, maybe 4 people can not be done?

2- They had headsets (most of them)

3- He had no chance (and at the beginning of the film did not know who is who)

4- Cage for Hulk, Cage falling spinning, makes it really hard to hit or move while spinning around on the inside, its not like he can just stand on the "floor"

5- Loki is pretty threatening.

6- I liked the first 20 minutes along with the rest of the film.

 

[<(o_o)>]

I actually liked the score. I though The Avengers theme was very heroic.

[YT]cnGedeRXkx4[/YT]

It was a bit to subtle for such a big movie & needed more oomph & epicness.

 

[roach]

1. Rhodey is probably on base, he IS in the military in California.

this is the one that bothers me the most. So he was on a base and in the military...you have a suit of armor and an alien invasion is taking over NY...you dont join in??? Its not impossible for him to get there since Tony flew to Afghanistan from California in the first movie.
The Concorde can make that trip in under 100 minutes. WM could have made the trip and helped.

 

[<(o_o)>]

this is the one that bothers me the most. So he was on a base and in the military...you have a suit of armor and an alien invasion is taking over NY...you dont join in??? Its not impossible for him to get there since Tony flew to Afghanistan from California in the first movie.
The Concorde can make that trip in under 100 minutes. WM could have made the trip and helped.

Blame that on Whedon not wanting to use him for whatever reason even for a cameo appearance or Cheadle just wasn't available either way.

 

[roach]

i understand that for whatever reason Cheadle couldnt be in the movie...just give us a reason that Warmachine wasnt even considered for the Avengers team.

 

[Squaremaster316]

1- Where is Spider-man? X men? every other Marvel Super hero, guess they are busy.

Those characters have not been established as being part of the CBM universe; Rhodey has. There was no reason he couldn't have slapped on the war machine suit and joined in.

2- They had headsets (most of them)

Not all of the seemed to have headsets.

4- Cage for Hulk, Cage falling spinning, makes it really hard to hit or move while spinning around on the inside, its not like he can just stand on the "floor"

So the Hammer of the Gods wouldn't have been able to smash it? They seem to be a bit wobbly with the continuity of characters strengths and weaknesses.

5- Loki is pretty threatening.

I didn't think so. He seemed no more effective than Joffrey from King of Thrones, without inspiring the "Nurse Ratched" level revulsion that character did, nor the true tension and terror that Ledger's Joker could provide, nor the complexities that Ian Mckellen's Magneto or Neeson's Ras al Ghul brought forth.

6- I liked the first 20 minutes along with the rest of the film.

To each his own, I thought it was tedious.