What The Hell Happened To Fighting?

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Cunning Stunts

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These days, I see more and more videos of bad martial arts sparring tournaments plaguing the internet. Most of them are Tae Kwon Do videos.

Seriously, why do they learn to fight the way they do? In all the videos I've seen, rarely do I ever see anyone put their guards up, stay on their own feet, or even punch. It's downright pathetic, to be honest.

People have tried that stuff in the martial arts schools I've been in and have been annihilated.

For those of you who aren't very aware of what I'm talking about, here's a video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jvjvugJ2rFM

Those aren't martial artists. Those are dancers. Every time I see one of them go against somebody who has a decent clue as to what he or she is doing, the TKDer gets pummeled. And sadly enough, every one of them I've ever met have been incredibly cocky, arrogant, and narcissistic.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D6mMtHqXyYc

Long story short, all that flopping the feet around and falling down when you land a kick, will get you destroyed against a decent fighter. Why do they do that? Why is this taught?
 
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Bob'll teach em.
 
It's just a different type of combat, based around different skills.
Don't have a cow.

Go watch UFC or whatever if you want violence.
 
Cunning Stunts said:
These days, I see more and more videos of bad martial arts sparring tournaments plaguing the internet. Most of them are Tae Kwon Do videos.

Seriously, why do they learn to fight the way they do? In all the videos I've seen, rarely do I ever see anyone put their guards up, stay on their own feet, or even punch. It's downright pathetic, to be honest.

People have tried that stuff in the martial arts schools I've been in and have been annihilated.

For those of you who aren't very aware of what I'm talking about, here's a video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jvjvugJ2rFM

Those aren't martial artists. Those are dancers. Every time I see one of them go against somebody who has a decent clue as to what he or she is doing, the TKDer gets pummeled. And sadly enough, every one of them I've ever met have been incredibly cocky, arrogant, and narcissistic.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D6mMtHqXyYc

Long story short, all that flopping the feet around and falling down when you land a kick, will get you destroyed against a decent fighter. Why do they do that? Why is this taught?
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I've wondered the same kind of things myself while watching these videos. I think I've seen the first one before. I'm taking Taekwondo right now at my school, and so far my master has always stressed how important it is to keep your guard up. I know that it is 70% kicking, but that other 30% of hand techniques, to me, seems to still be very, very important. In fact, so far I have been taught more techniques with my hands than with my feet.

Although in these vids, it seems that all the TKD guys like to do is flashy kicks, with no guard up at all, and absolutely no hand techniques. :huh: Ya got me.
 
yeah ive done boxing for two years and soon startin muay thai and brazilian jui jitsu but one thing ive tried to remember in every fight is to keep my gaurd up
 
Dangerous said:
It's just a different ineffectual type of combat, based around different skills.
Don't have a cow.

Go watch UFC or whatever if you want violence which is sort of the point of fighting anyway.
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Fixed.

And that second video is seriously one of the funniest things I've seen all day.
 
Dangerous said:
It's just a different type of combat, based around different skills.
Don't have a cow.

Go watch UFC or whatever if you want violence.
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For one, no cow was birthed during the making of this post.

For two, odiin pretty much said it. Combat=violence. I understand point sparring, but flopping around in a ring as in my first link is NOT a form of combat. It's use of ballet in the wrong environment. You wouldn't see any professional basketball player try to shoot a croquet ball through a basketball hoop in a real game, would you?

No. And they'd be released if they did. For the same exact reason as those TKDers FAIL when they go up against hardcore cage fighters in UFC matches.

spike spiegel said:
I've wondered the same kind of things myself while watching these videos. I think I've seen the first one before. I'm taking Taekwondo right now at my school, and so far my master has always stressed how important it is to keep your guard up. I know that it is 70% kicking, but that other 30% of hand techniques, to me, seems to still be very, very important. In fact, so far I have been taught more techniques with my hands than with my feet.

Although in these vids, it seems that all the TKD guys like to do is flashy kicks, with no guard up at all, and absolutely no hand techniques. :huh: Ya got me.
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I don't understand it at all, actually, especially since you can use your hands in MANY more situations than you can use your legs/feet (for striking, I mean). If you're on the ground, you're limited to knees, and I don't see a lot of knee strikes in TKD matches either. Plus, all the jumping around just wastes energy, and is even worse when they do it on one foot, because one foot= very bad balance point.

One guy pulled that jumpy crap on me in a sparring match. I kicked the ****er in the stomach (during all his jumpy prancing, I stood in one place, only turning to watch him), and couldn't continue the match (he stopped breathing:woot:) and he quit a shortly after. That ballet has no place in hardcore fighting.

Kidthor said:
yeah ive done boxing for two years and soon startin muay thai and brazilian jui jitsu but one thing ive tried to remember in every fight is to keep my gaurd up
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Superman4ever said:
Man that is ownage on an unreal (and awesome) level. I usually hate these UFC bout thingys, but dayyum!
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odiin said:
Fixed.

And that second video is seriously one of the funniest things I've seen all day.
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I love UFC, both for its hilarity and for its accuracy when compared to real fights. Most fights don't last as long as UFC fights, but once they really get heated, they usually end pretty quickly, just as they do in the cages. Keeping your hands up to guard your face is usually the best defense you can have against someone, next to evading their blows completely.

Why they don't apparently teach that will always confuse the hell out of me:huh:.
 
Wonder why they didn't let him just kick him in the nuts?

Best way to bring down a big man.
 
UFC is almost as boring as boxing. Except for hugging for half the round like in boxing, they're on the ground trying to get submissions they never lock in.
 
Alright heres the deal with putting the hands up in Tae Kwon Do. I would know, I've been PA state champ a few times back in the day. In old school TKD, mainly for self defense, but also in sparring, the hands will be up because you use only the basic strikes there and need to do what is possible for self defense. In Olympic style, which you see in the videos no one has their hands up and it isn't really necessary to do so. Also that leaves your body open to kicks. It is a highly techincal sport a lot of extremely fast movement on the balls of the feet and fakes and feints all throughout the fight.

I was trained at a traditional school that labeled atself as olympic but really only because it taught the olympic martial arts in TKD and Judo. The first time I went to nationals I went in there with the traditional style, throwing kicks everywhich way not trying to fake the guy out or anything. I might have had my hands up but I don't like to watch the tape of the fight. I got blown out though. It is definitely a defense first sport but if your hands are up you will be getting pumelled to the body the entire fight. It is a lot more than only 70% kicks. I fared much better my second time at nationals.

Cliffs
Two types of TKD-
old school for self defense- hands up
olympic style- hands not up, very technical
olympic style is a sport before a martial art but it is very explosive
 
Favorited the second video.
That guy came close to being crippled or killed.

The reason TKD and other old forms of martial arts can't keep up with MMA is that most are fundamentalist in the old ways.
There is no room for combat evolution.
They are best against opponents within their art.
The first video displays the importance of an adaptable defence.

MMA is constantly evolving, granted there are a lot of sloppy fighters, but the ones who dominate, and will continue to do so are the most well rounded fighters.

MMA is about effectiveness more then it is about the beauty and grace of the moves, although there is some of that too.
Long ago, boxing got punching right.
It's about the dispersal of weight from your heals, up through your body, etcetera. Not about mimicking an spiders movement.
Its about maximizing the effectiveness of the human body.

As soon as you limit yourself, your doomed.

If you want to be a deadly efficient streetfighter, learn some boxing, muay thai, bjj, and some ninjutsu when things need to get really nasty.

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Yea, cause if you notice, he lacks defense.

He never even raises his arms to protect his head or a dodge a blow.

A well rounded guy who knows tak won doe, boxing, hapkido, aikido, karate, whatever, with great defense, is unstoppable.
 
odiin said:
Fixed.

And that second video is seriously one of the funniest things I've seen all day.
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You are a dumbass.

Violence is not the point of fighting. A fight is a competition, winning is the goal not violence.

Depending on the situation, the point of fighting tends to be taking your opponent out as fast as possible and with minimal fuss.
 
The Cobra Kai still run the streets of Reseda as far as I'm concerned!
 
Cunning Stunts said:
These days, I see more and more videos of bad martial arts sparring tournaments plaguing the internet. Most of them are Tae Kwon Do videos.

Seriously, why do they learn to fight the way they do? In all the videos I've seen, rarely do I ever see anyone put their guards up, stay on their own feet, or even punch. It's downright pathetic, to be honest.

People have tried that stuff in the martial arts schools I've been in and have been annihilated.

For those of you who aren't very aware of what I'm talking about, here's a video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jvjvugJ2rFM

Those aren't martial artists. Those are dancers. Every time I see one of them go against somebody who has a decent clue as to what he or she is doing, the TKDer gets pummeled. And sadly enough, every one of them I've ever met have been incredibly cocky, arrogant, and narcissistic.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D6mMtHqXyYc

Long story short, all that flopping the feet around and falling down when you land a kick, will get you destroyed against a decent fighter. Why do they do that? Why is this taught?
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Well the first video was a bunch of videos from tournaments which probably have a very specific set of rules as to what's allowed. Plus it's edited to show the flashiest kicks, those might not have even been the best fighters just the flashiest.

The second was kinda boring, the guy got tackled, and slammed weirdly. Fall on your head and see how badass you feel.
 
Id pick UFC/MMA/BOXING over any type of Martial Arts anyday
 
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