What the hell is wrong with DC Universe?

[smsvmos]

First of we are losing thunder with Smallville since now no body wants a Smallville movie an yet Smallville is the closes thing to comics continuity there is in live TV/ Movie media but now there is a movie called I Am Number Four that steals thunder from Aquaman. When is WB and DC Universe going to get there stuff together?

 

[Sawyer]

How the hell is I Am Number Four stealing thunder from Aquaman?

 

[Webhead2006]

Nothing is wrong with dc universe. As for I am number four from what I know of it its based off a book series about a group of aliens hiding on earth who have super powers and are being hunted. How is it ripping on aquaman? And it takes time to make new shows/cartoons/live action films. Only this past yr now wb and dc have joined more together and created dc entertainment to handle all media things. They have many cartoons in progress. And they have a couple ideas for some live action shows and movies. But like I said above it takes time.

Cartoon wise we have young justice starting up this month. A green lantern series coming soon. Probably some others I don't know haven't heard anything else lately. But I am sure others are on the way too.

Live action tv. We currently have smallville going strong on its final season on the cw. We got dc/vertigo comic series human target on fox in its second season. Then there is thre possible shows in various stages of discussion.

Wonder woman being headed bu david e kelly. Which has been in pre production/scripting stages for a few months. Which I still think is likely to go to series within the next yr/yr and half I hope. Not much is known there besides a few rumors of actresses being. Looked at. And I remember reading they might do a telemovie pilot for show. Beyond that haven't heard much else.

Second geoff johns head creative guy for dce has stated he would like a jaime reyes blue beetle tv series. He had a promo made for comic con of what bb could look like in live action. But there hasn't been any other development progress for tv series yet. But we do have the booster gold/blue beetle upcoming episode(if show does happen doubtfull it would be based of smallville take) for smallville.

3rd just recently it was said wb may also be looking into adapting the teen titan character raven into a solo tv series for cw network. Though not much else has been talked about and probably has no producers attached yet.

Film wise we have alot coming up. First this summer we got martin campell ryan reynolds staring hal jordan green lantern film. Which looks pretty cool in my opinion. And will be the first offical film made under the new dce reign.

Then come 2012 we have the third and final christopher nolan directed batman film staring christan bale. And the nolan produced and zack snyder directed superman reboot which is in casting/pre production stages.

Post that the flash has been in various stages of developed for past few yrs. But looks to be the next character up on deck. Script currently being worked on by writers who did green lantern and its been stated they are planning to use the barry allen flash. Then also futher down the road is possibley aquaman. Beyond that only time will tell which characters will actually get on deck film wise and how successful they are.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with DCU or WB for that matter. I have more faith in WB in adapting DC titles than studios like Fox, Universal or even Sony. They have a terrific track record, yes it could be better but the only reason there aren't any other main-stream DC heroes out in Hollywood now is because WB is bidding their time. They're waiting for the right people with the right interests in adapting these characters. So far the most fervent one seems to be David S. Goyer and he is still trying to hone his skills as a director.

WB gave us 10 years worth of Superman stories on TV; a show that encompassed a lot of characters from the DCU who've never been adapted into live-action before. But more to the point, DC's films are more carefully put out, instead of making mediocre adaptations of popular characters they pushed for stories and graphic novels that could be both original films in their own regard, as well as unorthodox. LXG, Constantine, V For Vendetta, Watchmen, and The Spirit are the kind of super-hero stories that studios don't immediately think of when they're eying for making an easy buck, but that's what DC's produced. Road to Perdition and A History of Violence are non-superhero films that have both won critical acclaim, as did Stardust. The Nolan movies don't even require an explanation, leaving films like Jonah Hex, and The Losers the only 'bad-decisions'. Yes, Catwoman was terrible, but the idea of a stand-alone Catwoman movie is not. And Superman Returns was a bold attempt whose success depends on the beholder: I personally see it as an achievement, while others consider it a failure. So I'm going to ask you instead: What the Hell IS wrong with the DC Universe?

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

And Superman Returns was a bold attempt whose success depends on the beholder: I personally see it as an achievement, while others consider it a failure.

You had me right up until this point..... and then it was all over...

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

You had me right up until this point..... and then it was all over...

He right though Superman Returns much like Smallville has always been split with the fans. I like both projects and think of them as ground breaking projects but others may not feel the same which is why the fan base on both projects are always split. Which is also why Smallville could never work as the new canon for the Superman movies because of how split the fans are with the project. I think there is nothing wrong with the DCU and they have done a great job with both their movie and TV line and I think they will do even better in years to come. I just think they are taking their time to get things right much like how Marvel did after they had their flops (Hulk, DD, GR, F4,X3,SM3) then they went back to the drawing board and we are getting the stuff we got now.

 

[Webhead2006]

ya SR was a big mistake all around in my opinion on the film.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

He right though Superman Returns much like Smallville has always been split with the fans. I like both projects and think of them as ground breaking projects but others may not feel the same which is why the fan base on both projects are always split. Which is also why Smallville could never work as the new canon for the Superman movies because of how split the fans are with the project. I think there is nothing wrong with the DCU and they have done a great job with both their movie and TV line and I think they will do even better in years to come. I just think they are taking their time to get things right much like how Marvel did after they had their flops (Hulk, DD, GR, F4,X3,SM3) then they went back to the drawing board and we are getting the stuff we got now.

It's an old and tired and mostly disproved argument that you're just regurgitating here. The fans being split doesnt matter a lick considering fans make up what? 5% of a film's audience? And if the fans were as split as you say, then Welling wouldnt have nor would he continue to this day to dominate any kind of polling done on casting on any neutral site.

Smallvile = the longest running superhero genre show of all time with 200+ episodes (much less the longest running Superman entity of all time.) Syndicated the world over and for 10 years has been a top DVD and iTunes seller. Not to mention it's one of the most recorded shows on DVR's.

Superman Returns = Had a dragged out run in theaters just to reach $200 million in ticket revenue, and failed to make back it's production budget. Had lukewarm DVD sales and any plans for a sequel were scuttled shortly thereafter when the studio announced they wanted to make more Superman movies just not with SR's production crew or have it affiliated with the prior film.

Yeah, the two are EXACTLY alike.

 

[Webhead2006]

yup hulk with the facts about which of the properties been more successful you can see sv is the clear winner. Now yes there is fans on both end of the spectrums of hate/like for both.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

If you look at things that way Superman Returns one of the top grossing movies of its year (top 5 movies of the year Night at the Museum doesn't count in my book came out last week of DEC really) as well as one of the top grossing DVD's of that year as well as has great reviews by both fans and critics as well. Had a sequel too that the WB wanted and greenlit while Superman Returns was still in the theaters. Not to mention a lot of things from the movie is still being used in both comics and TV and the image of Routh as Superman is till around case in point last promo poster . My point is both did well but in the same by the fans (comic book/Superman fans) both have a very much divided fan base. But this is not the place to go into that.

 

[Webhead2006]

ya we dont really need to get into an endless debate over SV and SR we will get no were fast with that.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

If you look at things that way Superman Returns one of the top grossing movies of its year (top 5 movies of the year Night at the Museum doesn't count in my book came out last week of DEC really)

Gross is irrelevant. Profit is what matters. If your movie grosses $200 million (barely and is now where even close to the actually successful superhero films) but it cost upwards of $200+ million to make, it's a failure. Hence the reason there was never a sequel of any kind.

as well as one of the top grossing DVD's of that year

Ummm? It wasnt even in the Top 10

http://www.infoplease.com/toptens/topsellingdvds.html

as well as has great reviews by both fans and critics as well.

Yeah, that's why sites like this cropped up

http://singerssupermansucks.blogspot.com/

Had a sequel too that the WB wanted and greenlit while Superman Returns was still in the theaters.

There was never a sequel greenlit. Had it been grrenlit there wouldve been a film. Now youre just making htings up.

My point is both did well but in the same by the fans (comic book/Superman fans) both have a very much divided fan base. But this is not the place to go into that.

I always love how people make this statement right after they've just "gone into that"

 

[DavidB1111]

Well, I didn't hate Superman Returns. I rank it up there with Superman 3 and 4.
Okay, that's not a good thing.

In terms of the Superman movies, in order, for me,
Superman
Superman II
Superman III
Superman IV (Superman, stop moving the moon out of orbit, please.)
Superman Returns.

I love Smallville. I wouldn't watch something for 10 years if I didn't like it.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

You had me right up until this point..... and then it was all over...

Haha, hey that means you read everything I had to say! I like SV more than SR any day, but by 'achievement' I meant on what Singer and co. tried to pull off: a true-blue nod to the Reeve films. SV succeeds SR in this regard simply by nodding to all eras of Superman. Including that damned Black Suit from after the Death and Return arcs.

He right though Superman Returns much like Smallville has always been split with the fans. I like both projects and think of them as ground breaking projects but others may not feel the same which is why the fan base on both projects are always split

I agree completely. Just because fans are split doesn't mean that the show or the film is a failure. Before SR was coming out I was really anxious about it ruining Smallville, but it didn't. It exists in its own continuity, which is fine by me. Remember near S6 how they were promoting the film?

It's an old and tired and mostly disproved argument that you're just regurgitating here. The fans being split doesnt matter a lick considering fans make up what? 5% of a film's audience? And if the fans were as split as you say, then Welling wouldnt have nor would he continue to this day to dominate any kind of polling done on casting on any neutral site.

Smallvile = the longest running superhero genre show of all time with 200+ episodes (much less the longest running Superman entity of all time.) Syndicated the world over and for 10 years has been a top DVD and iTunes seller. Not to mention it's one of the most recorded shows on DVR's.

Superman Returns = Had a dragged out run in theaters just to reach $200 million in ticket revenue, and failed to make back it's production budget. Had lukewarm DVD sales and any plans for a sequel were scuttled shortly thereafter when the studio announced they wanted to make more Superman movies just not with SR's production crew or have it affiliated with the prior film.

Yeah, the two are EXACTLY alike.

Of course they're not alike, no body said they were. Besides, FINANCIAL success is irrelevant to fans, and always will be.

ya we dont really need to get into an endless debate over SV and SR we will get no were fast with that.

Yeah true. :P coz really, we all agree that there's nothing wrong with DCU.

Yeah, that's why sites like this cropped up
http://singerssupermansucks.blogspot.com/

Oh trust me, there are a lot more people demeaning SV than there are SR haters. I'd know. This thread is different though, it's trying to demean both together, AND its super friends.

 

[DavidB1111]

Oh trust me, there are a lot more people demeaning SV than there are SR haters. I'd know. This thread is different though, it's trying to demean both together, AND its super friends.

Yeah, there's a lot of people that don't like Smallville. They're all dead now.
Okay, the second line was more of a joke only if you played Galactic Civilizations 2.
"There's a lot of races who said we're evil. They're all dead now."

But I mean, coming to this forum and hating it, doesn't seem like a smart thing to do. Even if they put down SR as well.

And heck, I only hated one movie ever. Solaris. Seriously, the George Cloony one, not the old Russian one.

I'm fairly certain if anyone here watched that movie, or even tried to, they'd agree with me. In fact, they'd say SR was totally the most awesome movie ever compared to it.

Even the people who hated it with the fiery passions of a thousand burning suns.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya there is more of a balance of like/hate for sv here. Go to places like superman homepage you get alot of flak for saying anything sv or dissing sr.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Yeah... so back on topic. What the hell is wrong with the DC Universe?

 

[DavidB1111]

Nothing, except they think everyone wants a Zombie story. *cough* Blackest Night *cough*
Seriously, I've had my fill of zombies for a long time.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

but they haven't their fill of you! *braiiinnnnnsssssssss*