The Dark Knight What will be the MacGuffin in TDK?

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A MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin or Maguffin) is a plot device that motivates the characters and advances the story, but has little other relevance to the story.

The director and producer Alfred Hitchcock popularized both the term "MacGuffin" and the technique. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Hitchcock explained the term in a 1939 lecture at Columbia University: "[W]e have a name in the studio, and we call it the 'MacGuffin.' It is the mechanical element that usually crops up in any story. In crook stories it is always the necklace and in spy stories it is always the papers."

The element that distinguishes a MacGuffin from other types of plot devices is that it is not important what object the MacGuffin specifically is. Anything that serves as a motivation will do. A true MacGuffin is essentially interchangeable.

Its importance will generally be accepted completely by the story's characters, with minimal explanation. From the audience's perspective, the MacGuffin is not the point of the story. The technique is common in films, especially thrillers. Commonly, though not always, the MacGuffin is the central focus of the film in the first act, and then declines in significance as the struggles and motivations of the characters take center stage.

Sometimes the MacGuffin is all but forgotten by the end of the film. Because a MacGuffin is, by definition, ultimately unimportant to the story, its use can test the suspension of disbelief of audiences. Well-done works will compensate for this, with a good story, interesting characters, talented acting/writing, and so on. Inferior films, which fail in those areas, often only highlight a MacGuffin, sometimes to the point of absurdity.

MacGuffins may be acceptable to the general audience, but fail to be believable for experts in the subject matter (such as a particular technology, or historical detail).

Any idea what it will be in TDK?

In BB, it would have been the microwave remitter, that or the fear gas, I believe.
 
Please ask me again, when I know what the story will be about.
 
How about some huge "weapon deal" or something... that's possible.
 
Two Face said:
Joker's fear gas maybe?? no?


You mean laughing gas? Maybe, but probably not. That is just an instrument he uses to mark his victims plus that was indeed the MacGuffin in Batman '89.


Maybe the MacGuffin will be revenge. The Joker's revenge.
 
i take it you just recently discovered what a macguffin is.
 
R_Hythlodeus said:
Please ask me again, when I know what the story will be about.

Maybe a better question is "What should the MacGuffin be?" In Raiders of the Lost Ark it was clearly the Ark.

In Batman '89 it was Joker's fear gas.
 
It could be a new type of weapon on the streets, hell it could technically be Batman trying ot find out where the Joker card from BB came from or tryign to track down something rare that was stolen in that bank robbery.
 
kytrigger said:
It could be a new type of weapon on the streets, hell it could technically be Batman trying ot find out where the Joker card from BB came from or tryign to track down something rare that was stolen in that bank robbery.
The Joker cards could be the McGuffin or something from Jokers past(if he has a past in the movie)
 
kytrigger said:
It could be a new type of weapon on the streets, hell it could technically be Batman trying ot find out where the Joker card from BB came from or tryign to track down something rare that was stolen in that bank robbery.


In the movie Se7en, I think the MacGuffin was John Doe himself and the cops trying to figure out his Modus operandi in order to prevent the next killing.

So maybe the Joker is the MacGuffin.
 
raybia said:
In the movie Se7en, I think the MacGuffin was John Doe himself and the cops trying to figure out his Modus operandi in order to prevent the next killing.

So maybe the Joker is the MacGuffin.
They could, but I doubt they will, and I honestly don't want them to. The Joker can be a VERY good and powerful character if done correctly, and I thnk tha tusing him like John Doe, would be a waste. Plus the fact that Joker is a huge draw for this movie, and I bet a LOT of people would be dissapointed if he was only in the movie for 5 minutes.

Another easy Macguffin would be the holiday murders/trinkets that are left behind.
 
raybia said:
A MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin or Maguffin) is a plot device that motivates the characters and advances the story, but has little other relevance to the story.

The director and producer Alfred Hitchcock popularized both the term "MacGuffin" and the technique. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Hitchcock explained the term in a 1939 lecture at Columbia University: "[W]e have a name in the studio, and we call it the 'MacGuffin.' It is the mechanical element that usually crops up in any story. In crook stories it is always the necklace and in spy stories it is always the papers."

The element that distinguishes a MacGuffin from other types of plot devices is that it is not important what object the MacGuffin specifically is. Anything that serves as a motivation will do. A true MacGuffin is essentially interchangeable.

Its importance will generally be accepted completely by the story's characters, with minimal explanation. From the audience's perspective, the MacGuffin is not the point of the story. The technique is common in films, especially thrillers. Commonly, though not always, the MacGuffin is the central focus of the film in the first act, and then declines in significance as the struggles and motivations of the characters take center stage.

Sometimes the MacGuffin is all but forgotten by the end of the film. Because a MacGuffin is, by definition, ultimately unimportant to the story, its use can test the suspension of disbelief of audiences. Well-done works will compensate for this, with a good story, interesting characters, talented acting/writing, and so on. Inferior films, which fail in those areas, often only highlight a MacGuffin, sometimes to the point of absurdity.

MacGuffins may be acceptable to the general audience, but fail to be believable for experts in the subject matter (such as a particular technology, or historical detail).

Any idea what it will be in TDK?

In BB, it would have been the microwave remitter, that or the fear gas, I believe.

In BB the MacGuffin was his parent's death and Rachel. That is what motivated the character.
 
raybia said:
A MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin or Maguffin) is a plot device that motivates the characters and advances the story, but has little other relevance to the story.

The director and producer Alfred Hitchcock popularized both the term "MacGuffin" and the technique. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Hitchcock explained the term in a 1939 lecture at Columbia University: "[W]e have a name in the studio, and we call it the 'MacGuffin.' It is the mechanical element that usually crops up in any story. In crook stories it is always the necklace and in spy stories it is always the papers."

The element that distinguishes a MacGuffin from other types of plot devices is that it is not important what object the MacGuffin specifically is. Anything that serves as a motivation will do. A true MacGuffin is essentially interchangeable.

Its importance will generally be accepted completely by the story's characters, with minimal explanation. From the audience's perspective, the MacGuffin is not the point of the story. The technique is common in films, especially thrillers. Commonly, though not always, the MacGuffin is the central focus of the film in the first act, and then declines in significance as the struggles and motivations of the characters take center stage.

Sometimes the MacGuffin is all but forgotten by the end of the film. Because a MacGuffin is, by definition, ultimately unimportant to the story, its use can test the suspension of disbelief of audiences. Well-done works will compensate for this, with a good story, interesting characters, talented acting/writing, and so on. Inferior films, which fail in those areas, often only highlight a MacGuffin, sometimes to the point of absurdity.

MacGuffins may be acceptable to the general audience, but fail to be believable for experts in the subject matter (such as a particular technology, or historical detail).

Any idea what it will be in TDK?

In BB, it would have been the microwave remitter, that or the fear gas, I believe.

In BB the MacGuffin was his parent's death and Rachel. That is what motivated the character.
 
Matt said:
In BB the MacGuffin was his parent's death and Rachel. That is what motivated the character.

Yes, you're right. Thanks! :yay:
 
I think the Joker being the MacGuffin would be best.

From the point of view of the characters of TDK, the focus will be, "Get this Joker Character!"

Gordon, the GPD, the District attorney, Batman, the Crime lords will all be after the Joker in the first act, then the focus on the Joker declines in significance as the struggles and the motivations of the characters take center stage.

Those struggles and motivations will be the actual story for the audience.


What do you think Matt?
 
raybia said:
I think the Joker being the MacGuffin would be best.

Really? From your description the MacGuffin motivated the characters and elevates the story but has little relevance. I think the Joker should be very relevant to the story, as the struggle between Joker/Batman should take center stage.

Right now, I don't think we know enough details to determine the MacGuffin.
 
there will be no macguffin- i expect a revenge/murder spree joker story with batman in hot pursuit. plot points, but no macguffin.
 
Motown Marvel said:
i take it you just recently discovered what a macguffin is.

Wrong, that is why you shouldn't take things.
 
Actually, crime and corruption were the Macguffin in BB. Batman, Ra's, Gordon and Rachel were all out to eliminate it. It was the key motivation for everyone's actions in the film.

I agree Joker himself should be the Macguffin in TDK.
 
The Sage said:
Really? From your description the MacGuffin motivated the characters and elevates the story but has little relevance. I think the Joker should be very relevant to the story, as the struggle between Joker/Batman should take center stage.

Right now, I don't think we know enough details to determine the MacGuffin.


"The element that distinguishes a MacGuffin from other types of plot devices is that it is not important what object the MacGuffin specifically is. Anything that serves as a motivation will do. A true MacGuffin is essentially interchangeable."


It has relevance for the characters but it used to drive the story. To me, its like having gas spilled on the ground and the MacGuffin is the match that will can cause chao if its introduced into the situation.

I'm not a movie expert so maybe you're right.
 
raybia said:
I think the Joker being the MacGuffin would be best.

From the point of view of the characters of TDK, the focus will be, "Get this Joker Character!"

Gordon, the GPD, the District attorney, Batman, the Crime lords will all be after the Joker in the first act, then the focus on the Joker declines in significance as the struggles and the motivations of the characters take center stage.

Those struggles and motivations will be the actual story for the audience.


What do you think Matt?

I think it should continue to be the death of his parents.
 
Adam West said:
Actually, crime and corruption were the Macguffin in BB. Batman, Ra's, Gordon and Rachel were all out to eliminate it. It was the key motivation for everyone's actions in the film.

I agree Joker himself should be the Macguffin in TDK.

Crime isn't a motivation. Crime is what they were out to stop. Their motivation is WHY they were out to stop it. For Bruce is was his parent's death. For Ra's, the death of his family. Rachel and Gordon weren't really explored carefully so we do not know what motivated them.
 
Gordon doesn't have a motivation (except protecting Gotham), it's just his job.
 
Matt said:
I think it should continue to be the death of his parents.


That serves as a motivation for Bruce to continue to be Batman but how would that drive the actual story of TDK?
 
I don't see how the Joker could be the MacGuffin considering he's a principle character, but rather it will probably be an act performed by him. Perhaps a murder. Perhaps it's something he steals. it's impossible to tell considering we have no clue what the story will be.
 

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