Logan What would you have done differently? (Spoilers)

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I love the movie as is, but the only change I would make still hasn't changed upon a 2nd viewing. I would have still had Logan take the full dose of medicine just before his fight with X24. Then give us a brutal fight between the 2, with the medicine wearing off halfway through the fight, the rest plays out as is.

 

[Shark]

Hi everyone, first time posting here and really wanted to see how others felt about Logan.

For me, the whole film felt a bit too grounded overall (coming from some of the events in past movies) but I can see and understand what was being aimed at here. It was the end of an era, not just Logan, but that entire ol' school Xmen universe we've had for 19 years. With that in mind, I enjoyed it pretty much throughout, but do feel that the ending could've done with just one simple change:

In the past two Wolverine films he's had to have help in defeating the main villain, and once again, he gets his arse kicked until someone else steps up (in this case, X23). I really would've hoped, loved to have seen Logan step up just one last time. Become the real Wolverine right at the very end.

So with that in mind, following X24 slamming Logan onto that wood spike and continue to slash away, we have X23 fire the gun but miss... yep, she's a kid firing her first gun. This only makes X24 focus on her and go to work, really attacking her. Logan watches this, unable to react but as he sees his daughter getting beaten down by "himself", his rage takes over and he forces himself off that spike. Staggering to his feet, gaping wound spilling blood everywhere he runs at X24 and slams his claws into his back. X24 screams in pain and Logan whispers something like "there's only one Wolverine" (or whatever), and then rips his foe apart. X24's body flies in two different directions along with a few of Logans claws. Logan falls to the floor and then the film ends like it currently does... only this time, Logan has got the win.

I just feel for the final moment in the final film it would've been nicer to see Logan win, rather than just be beaten up and thrown onto a spike for a bullet to save his (short) life.

Still I enjoyed the film and was a good send off for Jackman and Stewart after so many years. I always think it could've been worse - I hear Brett Ratner was looking for work...

 

[The Overlord]

I was just wondering what was in Canada that would have protected these children? Does that evil corporation not have Canadian branch? Is the government pro mutant in Canada? Because the Weapon X program started in Canada? I guess the Canadian government could be pro mutant in 2029, but after these kids run out of the money Logan gave them, then what?

I am beginning to a picture a scene of these kids in some random Tim Horton's in Manitoba, trying to figure out what do with their lives.

I would have ended it differently.

Logan didn't need to die. I would have shown the kids and Logan get to the border only to be completely surrounded by Alkali troops. Then the soldiers metal arms and guns would go haywire and begin choking their users and shooting each other. A 90 year old Magneto (using a series of metal braces to help him walk) and a group of mutants including Rogue and a few others emerge from the woods.

It would be revealed that Eden is real and it's Magneto's effort to protect the remaining mutants. Magneto would then help Logan by removing the adamantium from his body, with that gone his healing factor would take over and return him to health where he could live a quiet life with his daughter.

I disagree, that would have been cheesy.

I think that undermined the point Wolverine made earlier in the film, in real life, people die.

Both Xavier and Wolverine have become tired old men, their day is done and they have to pass the torch to a younger generation. Wolverine giving up his life to save those children is a great ending to that character.

 

[DeadStroke]

-Get rid of X-24 plot device, no amount of carnage justifies his presence;
-Leave Donald Pierce as the main bad guy, but make him cunning enough to present challenges for Logan and co;
-Zander Rice's presence in the movie isn't needed, he was just a walking exposition;
-Get rid of the terrible cell-phone exposition, make Laura the main source of information, make it a part of her character development, use it to build up her relationship with Xavier and Logan;
-Don't freaking kill Xavier mid-way through the film, he was an amazing asset for character dynamic;
-I don't want to see Xavier taking ****;
-Hire a different composer, who can support emotional moments with his music;
-You don't need to kill main heroes to make a film appear "adult" and not like other comic book films;
-Misery in the film doesn't feel natural, dial it back a bit;
-Write a good reason for Logan to care about Laura, outside the fact she's technically his biological daughter and just needs help to get to some location for the sake of safety;
-Get rid of mutant kids sublot...

That's it for now.

Agree.

Overall, I think the movie is OK. But I had high expectations based on the critics.
I think there´s a lot of wasted opportunities, and the film is not nearly as serious or important as it think it is. In a lot of ways it´s like the previous Wolverine movie (The Wolverine), but with an R rating (Logan is older and lives by himself/the x-men are nowhere to be seen/someone asks him for help/he is initially reluctant/he has to protect the girl/ his powers are failing...).

I feel like there´s a much more interesting story to be told in this movie. The relationship between Charles and Logan should have been explored more deeply. How does Logan feel about Charles having killed part of the X-men? They never talk about it. And once Xavier mentions it (before his death) it is NEVER referenced again, which i think is insane and a terrible waste of an interesting plot.

Xavier was the most interesting character and Logan was kind of meh... He was angry as usual... But I don´t really connect with him. He was a sad old guy who has lost people. Pretty much like in every other movie. And that´s it.

The Logan arc during the movies has always been about him not being a loner anymore and becoming part of a family (the X men).

How cool would it have been if Charles had killed all of the X-men and he remembers? Charles wants to die and Logan has been keeping him alive against his will all this time, because he CAN´T let him go. Charles is the only family he has left and he HAS to protect him. Because that´s what Wolverine does.
Then they meet this girl. She represents a new beginning for mutants. Charles is willing to sacrifice everything for her, she is his redemption for what he did.
Logan has to learn to let the past die (Charles) and protect the future. In the end he wouldn´t even need to die. He could become the savior, or the guardian of these new mutants. Or even teach them, be a mentor, like Charles was for him.

I think something like that would have been more fitting and less obvious.

The movie is still fine, I guess. Overlong, but fine

Valid points..

 

[SnakeEyes]

Not sure if anyone already mentioned this, but the only thing I would change is when we saw what was on the nurse's cell phone. It was like she did a professional video that told and showed us almost everything going on at the facility where the mutant children were created. I hate it when movies feel they need to explain things to the audience like that. We didn't need to see all of that. It could have just been her filming herself for a few minutes explaining what she saw and then there were documents that could have filled in the blanks. But no, we have to have video of almost everything she saw including a brief glimpse and mention of the logan clone. It always makes me doubt the ability to get all that footage and then to put it together so nicely.

Other than that, I wouldn't change anything else. It is a great X-men movie. In my opinion it is the best one.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

this might have been a little too cheesy...

but, I've heard alot of fan say they'd wish they saw him in the classic costume at least once, and tho I understand why they didn't include it (an it probably wouldn't have fit in with the tone of the movie)

a funny way of getting it in there would have been too, either instead of/or addition too, the kids grooming Logan's beard to look more like his comic book counterpart... if they made a cheap version of his costume (out of scrap material or old cloth) and when he woke up he comes out wearing it an is like "very funny, where are my real clothes?"

 

[henzINNIT]

I'm still not loving this as much as I'd like. Feels a bit disjointed after the farm. I'd maybe tighten it up a little. Felt like Logan passed out about a hundred times between then and the end of the film, which is actually a problem I had with The Wolverine. I like what the mutant kids represented, but I could have done with a little less time with them too.

I love the movie as is, but the only change I would make still hasn't changed upon a 2nd viewing. I would have still had Logan take the full dose of medicine just before his fight with X24. Then give us a brutal fight between the 2, with the medicine wearing off halfway through the fight, the rest plays out as is.

Upon second viewing I too found that I could have done with a little more pay-off in the action department.

I also think the kids should have probably killed Rice over Pierce, as he was more directly responsible for their condition.

Come to think of it, Pierce totally dropped out of the film. He might as well have died at the farm when Caliban blows up the truck. Make his sacrifice more worth while.

 

[search_4_truth]

I would have added a brief flashback of the Westchester incident, just for a few seconds as Charles is in the bedroom at the Munsons' house and recalling the event. I would have also had Logan mention the Munson family in that scene where he tells Laura that Charles and Caliban "never asked for this but are 6 feet under the ground." Lastly, I would have slightly tightened up the third act. Although I loved it a lot, the editing felt a tiny bit choppy in that act alone. I would have probably added one more brief bonding scene between Logan and Laura and chopped out a few seconds of the scenes showing the scenery, etc. I would have placed the added bonding scene in between the scene of Logan waking up for the first time with the kids hovering over him and trying to give him the serum and the scene of Logan having the nightmare, waking up, and talking to Laura about his nightmares and her nightmares/the scene where he explains why he carries the Adamantium bullet. The added bonding scene would be very brief. I felt like the two of them did plenty of bonding though, so truthfully, I feel it's fine the way it is.

Felt like Logan passed out about a hundred times between then and the end of the film, which is actually a problem I had with The Wolverine.

I think this aspect will be hit or miss with people. Either they'll feel the way you did, or they will feel the way I did. For me, personally, the most frustrating thing about Wolverine/Logan as a character was that he heals and so doesn't stay physically harmed. For the longest, I was finding the character boring because of his healing factor and had always wished they would ruin his healing factor. The way they did it in The Wolverine just felt like a tease to me. The way it happened in Logan was perfect for me, lol. The more I see him pass out, the happier I am truthfully, because... well, I won't explain any further lol. I just love it. I'll leave it at that.

-Get rid of X-24 plot device, no amount of carnage justifies his presence;
-Leave Donald Pierce as the main bad guy, but make him cunning enough to present challenges for Logan and co;
-Zander Rice's presence in the movie isn't needed, he was just a walking exposition;
-Get rid of the terrible cell-phone exposition, make Laura the main source of information, make it a part of her character development, use it to build up her relationship with Xavier and Logan;
-Don't freaking kill Xavier mid-way through the film, he was an amazing asset for character dynamic;
-I don't want to see Xavier taking ****;
-Hire a different composer, who can support emotional moments with his music;
-You don't need to kill main heroes to make a film appear "adult" and not like other comic book films;
-Misery in the film doesn't feel natural, dial it back a bit;
-Write a good reason for Logan to care about Laura, outside the fact she's technically his biological daughter and just needs help to get to some location for the sake of safety;
-Get rid of mutant kids sublot...

That's it for now.

YIKES! I disagree with literally EVERYTHING you said! I'm very glad you weren't the screenplay writer or director for this film, but I respect your opinion. It's interesting how two people can go into the film and leave feeling completely differently.

 

[2kt09]

Less exposition. More subtlety on the name/concept drops because the grounded feel was sort often undermined by the cheesier comic book stuff.
It's no best picture/best screenplay contender,
although there are some really Oscar-worthy moments.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Less exposition. More subtlety on the name/concept drops because the grounded feel was sort often undermined by the cheesier comic book stuff.
It's no best picture/best screenplay contender,
although there are some really Oscar-worthy moments.

Actually, I was surprised at how little exposition there was in this movie. Aside from the phone video, the movie expects you to put the pieces together yourself.

There's a lot of little subtle things in this movie.

 

[2kt09]

Actually, I was surprised at how little exposition there was in this movie. Aside from the phone video, the movie expects you to put the pieces together yourself.

I went in expecting less exposition given the last Wolverine, but I definitely seem to recall more than just the phone video.
The script does try to make them seem like normal conversations rather than the monologues of the video and Zander Rice.

 

[Smilodon]

They do a pretty good job of sketching out the kind of person Zander is with a few conversations and one deliberate exposition dump at the end that's cut short. He's frightening in the way Kavita Rao is - or an abusive parent. Grant's charm comes through when he has to be soothing, but then in certain moments he just kinda explodes with anger or cruelty.

There's also that one convo between Will Munson and Logan about the wheat thrashers and corn syrup, but it comes off very natural and doesn't feel tacked on at all. Like a typical small talk conversation between people who just met. The film manages to convey a lot visually - through Logan/Charles demeanor, the world they inhabit - you feel the weariness.

But otherwise, I don't think there was a lot of exposition either. Partially because you don't really need a lot of it.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

- I'd have replaced the conditioned super soldier weapon of X24 with Omega Red or had a scene where they discussed bringing in an enemy with a history with Wolverine whose been searching for him for a long time and that coulda been Sabertooth or Daken.

- Laura to get a bit more battle damaged than she was as Logan was shown taking a lot of hurt but she didn't seem to bleed except from her claws popping, I understand showing a kid being hurt is taboo but she's no ordinary kid she's murdering left and right

- While this would undermine the holding of hands redemption of his death I'd have liked his death to be more explosive and graphic, where he's basically Incinerated and you see his skeleton melt away

- the corn syrup M day thing wasn't the best, they'd have to put the mutant cure in pretty much everything for their plan to work

 

[2kt09]

But otherwise, I don't think there was a lot of exposition either. Partially because you don't really need a lot of it.

You definitely don't need a lot of it. Just how ever many there was could have still been cut back. For w/e reason conversations were explaining what I can already understand from just watching the scene.

I'll wait to the video release to be able to really delve into it
or realize I might be wrong.

 

[Ivan Drago]

- I'd have replaced the conditioned super soldier weapon of X24 with Omega Red or had a scene where they discussed bringing in an enemy with a history with Wolverine whose been searching for him for a long time and that coulda been Sabertooth or Daken.

- Laura to get a bit more battle damaged than she was as Logan was shown taking a lot of hurt but she didn't seem to bleed except from her claws popping, I understand showing a kid being hurt is taboo but she's no ordinary kid she's murdering left and right

- While this would undermine the holding of hands redemption of his death I'd have liked his death to be more explosive and graphic, where he's basically Incinerated and you see his skeleton melt away

- the corn syrup M day thing wasn't the best, they'd have to put the mutant cure in pretty much everything for their plan to work

Dude, this movie killed a kid on screen and had Laura get harpooned through the chest.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I feel the ending should have explained why the kids would be safe in Canada, considering this evil corporation seems to be rather powerful and has had no issue breaking the law so far.

I also wish they would have done something with Magneto given his importance to the franchise and relationship with Professor X. Even if it's just a mention. I kind of expected him to show up at the end.

 

[SuperSanchez]

I feel the ending should have explained why the kids would be safe in Canada, considering this evil corporation seems to be rather powerful and has had no issue breaking the law so far.

I also wish they would have done something with Magneto given his importance to the franchise and relationship with Professor X. Even if it's just a mention. I kind of expected him to show up at the end.

What's in Canada isn't really relevant to the movie though. Putting something in would've ruined it imo, it's better to leave it open to audience perception like many great directors do in film! Also putting Magneto in would probably take away from how small the film is meant to be

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Dude, this movie killed a kid on screen and had Laura get harpooned through the chest.

True, I forgot that one part. Which kid died though? Do you mean the one that jumped off the roof of he transigen facility?

 

[Syncos]

- I'd have replaced the conditioned super soldier weapon of X24 with Omega Red or had a scene where they discussed bringing in an enemy with a history with Wolverine whose been searching for him for a long time and that coulda been Sabertooth or Daken.

- Laura to get a bit more battle damaged than she was as Logan was shown taking a lot of hurt but she didn't seem to bleed except from her claws popping, I understand showing a kid being hurt is taboo but she's no ordinary kid she's murdering left and right

- While this would undermine the holding of hands redemption of his death I'd have liked his death to be more explosive and graphic, where he's basically Incinerated and you see his skeleton melt away

- the corn syrup M day thing wasn't the best, they'd have to put the mutant cure in pretty much everything for their plan to work

I don't think you understand how many things sugar-syrup (corn syrup) is in. There's almost no way to avoid it.

In terms of what I would change (there's not much):

- I wish they wouldn't have alluded it the adamantium being what was poisoning Logan. I wish it was just referenced as whatever had poisoned all the other mutants was killing him (particularly his chemical dependency).