what would you like to see in season 2 of Wolverine and the X-Men

Just curious, what characters are these? Is it just X-Characters or were you talking Marvel characters in general?

See, you have a point that something was wrong with Kitty's family if she was on her way to Genosha; wouldn't it have been nice if this had been explored, if she had actually been a character, rather than simply, "spunky X-girl who is sort of dating Iceman by obligation"? Kitty's a cool character, focusing on her a bit usually works out.

Once again, they started something at least with Kitty and Iceman that could be explored more in the future. There wasn't much time in season 1 to do so. So we didn't get to explore much with Kitty and Iceman, but we got more of that kind of business with characters like Nightcrawler. Narrative economy.

Giving a 6-7 year old creation by Chuck Austen, only one of the worst writers ever to grace the X-Men franchise, more focus and importance to the season than a 33-34 year old creation from Len Wein and Dave Cockrum seems a bit irritating to me. Especially since Squidboy was an incredibly obvious knock on Grant Morrison's Beak, anyway.

:rolleyes:

Squidboy was a minor background character in the series that underscored a strong point and theme in his episode. Also the important thing about Squidboy is to show that not all mutants get these dashing good lucks. Some of them look quite odd and different by humanity's standards and simply can't fit in with society anymore. And he pops up again and gets fried. I imagine if that type of focus and important happened to Colossus you'd be upset with how they took Colossus out of the show.
 
id like to see Firestar appear in a spiderman cross over itd b awesome nostalgia
 
Once again, they started something at least with Kitty and Iceman that could be explored more in the future. There wasn't much time in season 1 to do so. So we didn't get to explore much with Kitty and Iceman, but we got more of that kind of business with characters like Nightcrawler. Narrative economy.

We'll see if Iceman and Kitty do more in Season 2. Suffice it to say I would prefer fewer "hey, look at what we can do!" style cameos and more character focus on the regulars or the ones who do show up. But maybe I'm weird that way.

What has to happen, though, is that a character can't be EXACTLY the same from episode 26 as they were from episode 1. The example of a character who wasn't was Wolverine. He began the show as a loner who was more impulsive and even willing to exact "eye for an eye" justice, such as on Wraith. By episode 26 he has successfully reorganized the X-Men and managed to lead them, at least with Future Zordon Xavier's guidance enough to have them survive the Master Mold crisis and Dark Phoenix, even despite making errors along the way. Another example is Nightcrawler, who went from being a defender of the downtrodden away from the X-Men to someone willing to understand the "other" side of the equation to a degree with his romance with Wanda Maximoff. Angel, of course, also went through a character arc; he went from retiring from the X-Men to appease his father, to being angry with his father and conflicted since he funded the Sentinels, to deciding to join the X-Men again regardless of his father, and then of course his fall from grace, literally. Rogue also went through her own story, learning to trust Wolverine again, even if the resolution to that was rushed in the final episode.

The example of characters who didn't have as defined an arc are of course Storm, who after leaving Africa was basically a cipher.

Cyclops in the first season is an odd duck. He probably got as much focus across the first 26 episodes as Nightcrawler did, about 3 solo episodes worth of material. He wasn't abandoned. But the problem is that he really had no character arc because he was virtually unchanged from how he started in episode 1 to how he was in episode 26, especially after the episode 20 reveals. He began his life as an incompetent, sheltered X-Man who needed to be led by the hand at every turn by Jean and Xavier, and was practically nothing without them. When both left him, and when Xavier decided to invest in Wolverine instead, Cyclops was shattered. He was shattered throughout the series. He was nothing unless a different woman, Emma, led him by the hand at every turn. In the end it was basically Frost who went through the growth for him. Now, the angle of Scott being a broken man obsessed with Jean would have been okay if it eventually led to Cyclops overcoming that, either by design or circumstance. He didn't. He began the show obsessed with Jean, and ended it obsessed with Jean. He began is needing his ego stroked at every turn, and ended it likewise. He had focus but no real arc, and I think that was a misstep. Every decision he made was usually wrong, and he never really stepped up and got competent, nor did he ever put the team before himself. He's honestly worthy of Wolverine's disgust and impatience, and I'm not sure that is the best way to write Cyke long term. Cyclops had a nuanced position in AGE OF APOCALYPSE in the comics, but as this show has usually been as nuanced as a WWE pay-per-view, I expect "Good Wolverine vs. Evil Brainwashed Cyclops" next season. Should be a decent fight at least, and I can be a sucker for a good fight.

Still, focus is more than just focus; a character has to grow and change. Look at SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN where Peter Parker, Gwen Stacy, Harry Osborn, hell, Norman Osborn, Liz Allen, and Flash Thompson are in no way the same at episode 26 as they were in episode 1. With most of the characters the show gave focus to, there was some eventually change and growth, just not for Cyclops, being the anomaly.

If Colossus does show up, I would like him to have some sort of growth.

I still an curious about your own "wish list" of forgotten Marvel characters, Vile. C'mon, comparing notes on that stuff is fun. :)

:rolleyes:

Squidboy was a minor background character in the series that underscored a strong point and theme in his episode. Also the important thing about Squidboy is to show that not all mutants get these dashing good lucks. Some of them look quite odd and different by humanity's standards and simply can't fit in with society anymore. And he pops up again and gets fried. I imagine if that type of focus and important happened to Colossus you'd be upset with how they took Colossus out of the show.

I'm upset that they took Colossus out of the show now and he wasn't instrumental to an episode. :p

Yes, I know the point of Squidboy; again, his point was entirely the same as Beak, created at least a year sooner by Morrison & Quietly. Both were mutants who were more freaks than powerhouses, both of them had a mentor relationship with someone who has super-strength (Juggernaut for Squidboy, and Beast for Beak). Squidboy was probably more useful, at least underwater, while Beak usually was just ugly; not even his wings worked well. I never cared for either, personally.

Squidboy's death was so implied that I completely missed that he and his mother were supposed to actually have been killed until Wikipedia and other posters confirmed it. That sort of makes Magneto's aims even less sympathetic; if he is willing to kill mutants already loyal to him, how is he much different than Kelly? I understood Magneto's aim, just think he went a bit too far standing there and ALLOWING his own subjects to die. But that's really the only quibble I have for Magneto this season.
 
What I really want is a new opening credit sequence! It just really doesn't work for me, and does a pretty bad job representing what the show is like. Some characters that are featured shouldn't be, and some important characters are missing. And Sentinels might be irrelevant next season anyway. I wouldn't mind what Evo. did and just incorporate scenes from the show into it.

Maybe that's just because the opening credits have to feature the X-men, and I found the actual X-men team to be pretty weak in this season's representation of them.
 
I would change the opening too. The main theme doesn't sound that definitive or memorable to me.
 
^^ agreed it's very boring and the tone of the opening sequence just seems so bleak.
 
Considering that the "threat of the season" has changed, I actually am expecting the opening credit animation to change, even if the theme remains the same. To do less may be a bit lazy.
 
Besides the threat change, one character sacrificed herself and another joined the dark side, so a new opening is definitely necessary.
 
Besides the threat change, one character sacrificed herself and another joined the dark side, so a new opening is definitely necessary.

Indeed. I mean it isn't unheard of even in Western animation. SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN changed some of the characters featured in their opening for Season 2 slightly, and TMNT by it's 3rd and 4th season changed bits of their openings to reflect the Shredder's so-called death and replacement. Considering work has already begun on animating another 26 episodes, I doubt it would be a major expense. For all we know they could even change the intro theme to make it shorter, and thus less expensive for a new sequence.
 
Yeah this opening was way too long with a lackluster score. I'd rather just have the title and that's it, but since its a cartoon, we'll probably get more but hopefully not too much.
 
It'd be nice if they got off the whole if we don't save the world right now the future is screwed theme. I didn't really like it for the first season and its gonna be lame if its what drives the next season.
 
I haven't had a problem with the music in WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN. They usually go for more of an orchestral kind of thing, likely wanting to sound similar to the Fox movie scores. Sometimes it sounds generic but I understand the reason and it usually hasn't been a hinderence to me. The theme song is probably the worst of some of the music, and that isn't bad, either; just not as jazzy as we are used to for X-Men TV show themes.

I do agree that the "prevent the dark future via Future X trivia" theme will get old two seasons in a row even if the threat itself changes, and I do hope they have thought the second season out. I will have even less patience with writing blunders in a second batch of 26 episode. This show will have 52 episodes, which is basically what many other shows had as an entire run.

As I have said before, it is the writing of WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN that needs to improve in the second season. Everything else is pretty much fine.
 
Hopefully no more of this...
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I love that pic. That's why I inserted a link of it. :p
 
psylocke! tons of her!!!!

some dazzler, let collossus join the team, maybe a magik introduction.....

and overall as much as i enjoyed the show, i dont feel attached to really any of the characters.....so they should work on that.

AND please let present day polaris actually do something! and i kinda wanna see scarlet witch to go ape **** on somebody. and more gambit would be nice. and storm really ought to start talking (and get a haircut).......same with iceman (the talking part).

and a kitty focused episode would be nice....
 
I wouldn't mind more Psylocke, either, although I'm pulling for Colossus.

At the end of the day, though, my main wish for Season 2 is to see the writing quality step up. It was the Achilles Heel of Season 1, making the show appear worse than it deserved. The best animation and acting in the world won't mean anything if the writing quality is hit-or-miss, and the storyboarding for action sequences is generic. Kyle & Johnson (with Yost occasionally) have had at least two X-Men shows together and while EVOLUTION had a few highlight action set-pieces, W&TXM really hasn't had as many memorable ones. Maybe Kid's WB handcuffing a lot of stuff allowed them to actually focus on NARRATIVE QUALITY, and now that the production team can do/have anyone they want, instead of being professionals, they're like kids in a candy store going, "Ooo! Ooo! We can have the Hulk guest star, even if he's worthless! We can bring in like 26 mutant cameos in one episode, even if they mean nothing! We can stroke our own members with references to X-FORCE or X-23, even if they add nothing to the story! Yay! We can do anything we want! Pant PANT!"

For season 2, the writers need to breath into a bag to control their excitement over having less network handcuffs with the X-Men this time, and FOCUS. See if there is any more lightening in their collective narrative bottle and harness it like they did with EVOLUTION. That show had every reason to fail, but it didn't due to narrative quality. Conversely, this show has every reason to be an A+ show, rather than being the pedestrian opening act for SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN.

I'm not looking forward to Season 2 having the same subplot as the first ("stop the dark future"), but if they handle it better, I may let it slide. There was NOTHING that connected the Dark Phoenix to the Master Mold menace other than convenience and plot contrivances, and that doesn't work. If Season 2 can do that same plot, only better and more cohesively, go for it.

Season 2 also needs to get their characters better. They need to make them fleshed out and sympathetic in some way. Otherwise it's just colored spandex and explosions, and that's not as exciting as when you actually feel for the characters. EVOLUTION had plenty of rather mundane threats, but you cared about the characters so they seemed more epic than they should have; when things actually were epic, that tension was tripled. W&TXM has done the reverse; have cardboard cipher characters in mega-explosion-event stories, but it doesn't work the same. The fact that they spent as many as 3-4 episodes delving into Cyclops and yet only succeeding in making him the LEAST sympathetic character on the show is an amazing feat; some shows can work with an unsympathetic character who gets a lot of air time, but not this one. Honestly, skipping the time needed to build a strong foundation in the name of "getting off with a bang" made sense in the short term but hurt things long term. Again, that is something that hopefully has been analyzed and reworked in Season 2. I can forgive an underwhelming or less than great debut season if the second shows improvement. Lord knows this crew has less to have to fix about their shows than the writers of the second season of FANTASTIC FOUR or IRON MAN in the mid 90's.
 
you are completely right!

i thought it kind of annoying that they brought in theyre comic characters sooooo often! the new xmen were all over the place! and when has the vanisher ever been important enough to really include him into the show?

vanisher was convenient i guess. but there are so many more people more deserving. but oh well. season two! : )

and i guess i could end up enjoying him, it just seems weird that he comes out automatically as a good guy.
 
I want ROMYNESS! Rogue and Gambit should meet and do what they're best at: bantering, arguing, falling in love, being ansgty, all at the same time. I hope her character gets a little bit more development. I was so upset that she wasn't in the promotional pics or in the intro of the cartoon, I mean, WTF?? :cmad:
 
I want ROMYNESS! Rogue and Gambit should meet and do what they're best at: bantering, arguing, falling in love, being ansgty, all at the same time. I hope her character gets a little bit more development. I was so upset that she wasn't in the promotional pics or in the intro of the cartoon, I mean, WTF?? :cmad:

Not just no, but hell no!
 
errmmmm not so much.....

anyways, you know who i like in season one? ANGEL! he was only important for like 1 to 3 episodes, but i really enjoyed him. : )
 
Does anyone know about when the second season will be airing?
 

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