The Amazing Spider-Man When and how should Gwen Stacy die?

[Troy_Parker]

 

[Godzilla2014]

But what I'm saying is Raimi's Spider-Man was never intended to be a trilogy.

The beginning, middle and end thing makes sense. But I'd still like it if a major villain like the Green Goblin got some development as Norman Osborn before they introduce the Green Goblin.

Well, I doubt that the Sam Raimi Spider-Man Hexalogy was going to happen realistically. Eventually, the cast and crew will want to move on. That's why the Sam Raimi and the actors signed on for three films, not six

 

[Godzilla2014]

I want it to happen in the third. Introduce MJ in the final scenes of TASM3 similar to how Autumn is introduced in (500) Days of Summer at the end. I think it'd be a very neat and happy ending.

Maybe a "6 months later" thing happens and it cuts to Peter leaving his house. As he's leaving he sees MJ leave her house next door and they break into conversation as the film fades to black.

Why? I would rather have it in the second, then you could follow up that film with Peter's life after Gwen's death.

 

[Spiderman6592]

Why? I would rather have it in the second, then you could follow up that film with Peter's life after Gwen's death.

There isn't a need for it. Peter's life with MJ was already covered.


Besides, killing her in the third film would be groundbreaking. About as groundbreaking as the moment was in the comic book. No one in the GA would see it coming. Killing the main love interest that we've known for 3 films (6 or so years) in the final scenes of the final movie? It would shake things up, and set this franchise apart from all others.

Man up and do it, Webb and co.

 

[Troy_Parker]

What's wrong with having this setup:


Norman is introduced in TASM 2, mentions of his testing of the serum (on himself) are throughout the movie.

TASM 3, Green Goblin is the main villain. He works out Peter Parker=Spider-Man and goes after Gwen, her death, etc. Fast forward a few months(?) in the movie, and we get a cameo from MJ at the end like her first appearance.

TASM 4, MJ is now Peter's love interest. Not sure who the villain is.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Well, I doubt that the Sam Raimi Spider-Man Hexalogy was going to happen realistically. Eventually, the cast and crew will want to move on. That's why the Sam Raimi and the actors signed on for three films, not six

But they signed on for 4. (possibly even 5)

 

[flickchick85]

I hope it goes something like this -

ASM 1: Establish Gwen/Peter as a couple, maybe have Aunt May mention her friend's niece while Peter is acting angsty before he gets the girl.

ASM 2: Peter/Gwen have been dating for a while and go through a minor rough patch early in the film. Have Aunt May set-up Peter on the blind date with MJ for an event he now has no date to. MJ and Peter bicker/banter, showing no real romantic interest, and she basically points out all the ways he's wrong and screwed up with Gwen (which makes him not like her very much), and inadvertently helps repair Peter/Gwen's relationship (ala Spectacular Spider-man). Peter/Gwen make up and are back in a good place when Gwen is killed at the end like in the comics. MJ consoles Peter (in a non-romantic way, as he's still grieving), and the movie ends on a bittersweet note.

ASM 3: Peter and MJ continue their bickering, no-BS friendship, as we see them start developing more romantic feelings for each other. They don't really acknowledge those feelings and get together 'til the end of the movie.


I really hope MJ gets introduced and establishes a not-yet-romantic relationship with Peter before Gwen dies. Otherwise, it would feel too much like, "Oh well, here's the new love interest!"

 

[Spiderman6592]

THERE WILL NOT BE A TASM4.


It's a trilogy. Garfield would be like 34 by the time the 4th film came out. No thanks. 3 is cutting it close enough.

 

[Troy_Parker]

So? Tobey would have been 36 had Spider-Man 4 happened. :S

Not getting into a pointless debate with anybody. I know that it's far more likely that this will be a trilogy, as opposed to a line of four movies. My point is, anything could happen.

EDIT: And he'd be around 32. >_>

 

[Spiderman6592]

Exactly. And he looked terrible in 3, I don't even want to imagine him in SM4.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Lol.

Still doesn't change the fact that Tobey would have been 36 if Spider-Man 4 happened... which it was was very close to. Again, before I get jumped, I'm not saying Webb's Spider-Man will consist of four movies but, if he can do it and the cast is willing, why the hell not?

 

[flickchick85]

Andrew is not Tobey. Plenty of actors look damn good in their 30's (many of them look better than in their 20's, imo). Andrew's actually getting better-looking as he gets older. I don't foresee his age becoming a problem 'til he at least hits 40.

I'm still only expecting this to be a trilogy, but I don't necessarily think it would be a bad thing if they continued beyond that, as long as the movies were good. I mean, it's not like the character of Peter Parker stays the same age, either.

 

[Spiderman6592]

You'd be surprised how quickly people will age after they hit 30. While I agree, he could stretch it out better than Tobey did, I still think it's a risk. I don't see there being a 4th film.

 

[Godzilla2014]

There isn't a need for it. Peter's life with MJ was already covered.


Besides, killing her in the third film would be groundbreaking. About as groundbreaking as the moment was in the comic book. No one in the GA would see it coming. Killing the main love interest that we've known for 3 films (6 or so years) in the final scenes of the final movie? It would shake things up, and set this franchise apart from all others.

Man up and do it, Webb and co.

It's not as groundbreaking as it would have been 5 years ago. The Dark Knight already killed off the love interest, so that's been before. Furthermore, there's no point in killing her if there's nothing after that. We wouldn't really get to explore the implications of that death. If that isn't going to be shown, then killing her off would be something of a hollow homage to the comics and meaningless to the film itself. It would be like if the comics ended right after Gwen died.

There's a big benefit in having a whole film to explore the ramifications of his loss. How does Peter cope with losing a girl he loved so much?

What's wrong with having this setup:


Norman is introduced in TASM 2, mentions of his testing of the serum (on himself) are throughout the movie.

TASM 3, Green Goblin is the main villain. He works out Peter Parker=Spider-Man and goes after Gwen, her death, etc. Fast forward a few months(?) in the movie, and we get a cameo from MJ at the end like her first appearance.

TASM 4, MJ is now Peter's love interest. Not sure who the villain is.

Might be interesting.

But they signed on for 4. (possibly even 5)

Sam Raimi, Tobey Maguire, and crew signed on for 3 films.

 

[Spiderman6592]

It's not as groundbreaking as it would have been 5 years ago. The Dark Knight already killed off the love interest, so that's been before. Furthermore, there's no point in killing her if there's nothing after that. We wouldn't really get to explore the implications of that death. If that isn't going to be shown, then killing her off would be something of a hollow homage to the comics and meaningless to the film itself. It would be like if the comics ended right after Gwen died.

No, if Gwen was killed and MJ brought in (exactly what you're suggesting they do) then it would be what TDK did.

Rachel was killed and now Selina Kyle is being brought in to serve as the love interest.

If Gwen was killed in the final moments of the final film of the trilogy, it would be something that hasn't been done before.

 

[Troy_Parker]

It's not as groundbreaking as it would have been 5 years ago. The Dark Knight already killed off the love interest, so that's been before. Furthermore, there's no point in killing her if there's nothing after that. We wouldn't really get to explore the implications of that death. If that isn't going to be shown, then killing her off would be something of a hollow homage to the comics and meaningless to the film itself. It would be like if the comics ended right after Gwen died.

There's a big benefit in having a whole film to explore the ramifications of his loss. How does Peter cope with losing a girl he loved so much?



Might be interesting.



Sam Raimi, Tobey Maguire, and crew signed on for 3 films.

Huh? They were signed on for 4. Isn't that how it got so far in the production process before everything fell apart? :S

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Having Gwen die at the end of the third movie then fast forwarding 6 months to meet MJ is a very strange way to end a movie.

In fact introducing MJ in the third movie right after Gwen's death seems a bit cold-hearted considering the love of his life just died.

If Gwen dies in the third movie you have to introduce MJ first so she doesn't look like a rebound love interest. If Gwen dies in the second you can wait till the middle of the third to introduce MJ. It will natural by then.

 

[Troy_Parker]

How would it be natural?

 

[Godzilla2014]

No, if Gwen was killed and MJ brought in (exactly what you're suggesting they do) then it would be what TDK did.

Rachel was killed and now Selina Kyle is being brought in to serve as the love interest.

If Gwen was killed in the final moments of the final film of the trilogy, it would be something that hasn't been done before.

What I am saying is that killing a love interest in a superhero movie has already been done.
Beyond that: If she dies in the last moments of the last film, then you can't explore the effects of her death, which is the whole point of her dying. Otherwise, it's just a shocking twist for the sake of a shocking twist, but it won't amount to anything.

Huh? They were signed on for 4. Isn't that how it got so far in the production process before everything fell apart? :S

I think they were in negotiations and signing on.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Having Gwen die at the end of the third movie then fast forwarding 6 months to meet MJ is a very strange way to end a movie.

In fact introducing MJ in the third movie right after Gwen's death seems a bit cold-hearted considering the love of his life just died.

If Gwen dies in the third movie you have to introduce MJ first so she doesn't look like a rebound love interest. If Gwen dies in the second you can wait till the middle of the third to introduce MJ. It will natural by then.

I completely agree.

How would it be natural?

Because it would be part of a new story, not the epilogue to an old one.

 

[Troy_Parker]

What I am saying is that killing a love interest in a superhero movie has already been done.
Beyond that: If she dies in the last moments of the last film, then you can't explore the effects of her death, which is the whole point of her dying. Otherwise, it's just a shocking twist for the sake of a shocking twist, but it won't amount to anything.



I think they were in negotiations and signing on.

Could be. This [YT]x9olksFr6xM[/YT] makes it sound far beyond negotiations though. lol

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

How would it be natural?

It would be natural because Parker would have some time to deal with Gwen's death before meeting MJ. Otherwise it will seem like Parker is just using MJ to replace the void left by Gwen.

Parker should be alone for a while after Gwen's death because he obviously wouldn't want to put another love interest in danger.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Having Gwen die at the end of the third movie then fast forwarding 6 months to meet MJ is a very strange way to end a movie.

In fact introducing MJ in the third movie right after Gwen's death seems a bit cold-hearted considering the love of his life just died.

If Gwen dies in the third movie you have to introduce MJ first so she doesn't look like a rebound love interest. If Gwen dies in the second you can wait till the middle of the third to introduce MJ. It will natural by then.

But you're doing the same thing then. I said there could be a time lapse of a few months, even longer, before introducing MJ, and if they're going to go through with 4 movies (which again, I get that will likely not happen) there's nothing odd with having the ending something like, 7, 8 months after Gwen's death, MJ is introduced. Setting her as the love interest in the 4th movie.

One of the benefits I can see from having Gwen die in the second one, is that we'll see MJ sooner, and get to see their relationship develop.

 

[Troy_Parker]

It would be natural because Parker would have some time to deal with Gwen's death before meeting MJ. Otherwise it will seem like Parker is just using MJ to replace the void left by Gwen.

Parker should be alone for a while after Gwen's death because he obviously wouldn't want to put another love interest in danger.

But unless the part you're talking about in the second movie is actually set 2 years (or longer) after her death, it would be the same as skipping forward a few months, years, to MJ's appearance in the third movie.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Could be. This [YT]x9olksFr6xM[/YT] makes it sound far beyond negotiations though. lol

What I meant was that they re-signed on.

But you're doing the same thing then. I said there could be a time lapse of a few months, even longer, before introducing MJ, and if they're going to go through with 4 movies (which again, I get that will likely not happen) there's nothing odd with having the ending something like, 7, 8 months after Gwen's death, MJ is introduced. Setting her as the love interest in the 4th movie.

One of the benefits I can see from having Gwen die in the second one, is that we'll see MJ sooner, and get to see their relationship develop.

It would be more natural in a new film than in a flash forward because it would be a new story, and not an epilogue to the story of Gwen's death.