The Amazing Spider-Man When and how should Gwen Stacy die?

[OP84CC82]

I think That the Green Goblin should drop her off the bridge.
One of the reason why is because when Peter tried to save he in the end not intentionally killed her, and he blames himself for that,It is a turning point for his character and not to mention it is Iconic.

Iconic doesn't mean good. If they decide to kill Gwen for whatever reason, don't have her get thrown off a bridge. If it happened exactly like the comics, I'd doubt the audience would be saddened. They'd probably be scratching their heads going, "You're a dumbass, you could've jumped off the bridge and caught her or done one in a million other things to cushon her from the fall."

 

[Dagenspear]

You're just really wrong. I mean other than for the sake of trolling you haven't said anything to prove your point.

Well, golly gee, who could possibly argue with the startlingly intelligent rebuttel of "You're wrong"? You can ramble on about allegories and deeper meanings and all the other fancy things that you think gives your post validity all you want, but, you don't care about any of it, you're just a fanboy who has a general fear of change or any kind of even remote reinterpretation of any thing within the source material, and I have no time to argue with someone who holds no true belief or passion in what they say. Now, when/if you respond to this with a possible uproar in fanboy rage, try not to let cloud your better judgement so you won't contradict yourself three times again. Cool? Cool.

 

[Web face]

Ok, guys whether they kill Gwen or not is not one bit effected by whether or not we want it to happen or not. There is no point in debating whether or not Gwen should die, because it doesn't matter what we think. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks really. I am just saying this because it doesn't look like the argument that is about to happen will be very polite or very friendly. If you can refrain from making it personal and without calling each other names, then it is fine for you guys to discuss, but if you can't do that it is just best to let it go. Life is too short to be angry all the time, and it isn't in our power anyway.

 

[Web face]

Iconic doesn't mean good. If they decide to kill Gwen for whatever reason, don't have her get thrown off a bridge. If it happened exactly like the comics, I'd doubt the audience would be saddened. They'd probably be scratching their heads going, "You're a dumbass, you could've jumped off the bridge and caught her or done one in a million other things to cushon her from the fall."

If they do it like the comics with the bridge and all that, I personally would like it if they had Gobby throw her off the bridge too fast for Peter to jump after her, so he shoots a web at her foot. That is all I want to say and it is just my opinion.

 

[AF3619]

what i would think could work is Spidey being blamed for Gwen Stacy Death like Goblin trows her from the bridge Spidey is far from her then shoots the web ,music stops and *crack pans to a news hellicopter(or police), lights up Peter dragging the corpse and he just stays there crying (mask on obviously) huggs her and meanwhile the police is comming at him he just goes and finds goblin and goes for revenge kinda like "You took my parents from me and now the woman that i loved the most" and battle , battle spidey saves the day but now everyone thinks spiderman is a murder

 

[LegendAssemble]

I think That the Green Goblin should drop her off the bridge.
One of the reason why is because when Peter tried to save he in the end not intentionally killed her, and he blames himself for that,It is a turning point for his character and not to mention it is Iconic.

I disagree with you on a lot of things here, but that statement is very true. You are not a troll like mr.spear up there!

 

[Rogue Kira]

I disagree with you on a lot of things here, but that statement is very true. You are not a troll like mr.spear up there!

Thanks? lol

 

[mr. peasant]

Voted for option 1. You gotta drop her off the bridge, thats so iconic, and Green Goblin has to do it too. Show this towards the end of movie 2, ending the movie on a ****ed up note, much like other second installments of a trilogy (Empire Strikes Back and The Dark Knight) did.

Introduce Mary Jane in movie 2 and in the beginning of movie 3 Peter will be in a dark place and they can show how him and Mary Jane fall in love in movie 3.

Honestly, I find this whole "want to see Gwen Stacy killed off so that we can pair Spidey up with Mary Jane" mentality both, disturbing and appalling. The desire for one should not be in relation the the other.

I wonder how much of this is due to Peter Parker/Spider-Man being a wish-fulfillment escapist character; in which some people project themselves into his shoes to live precariously through this fictional fantasy character and see Mary Jane as the ultimate fantasy/prize.

Seriously, having Gwen be killed off as a result of her association with Spider-Man for the sole purpose of paving the way for Mary Jane portrays Peter as reckless and unrepentant - having learned nothing from Gwen's death - at best. And at worse, it carries the theme that women and significant others are replaceable.

 

[Rogue Kira]

Iconic doesn't mean good. If they decide to kill Gwen for whatever reason, don't have her get thrown off a bridge. If it happened exactly like the comics, I'd doubt the audience would be saddened. They'd probably be scratching their heads going, "You're a dumbass, you could've jumped off the bridge and caught her or done one in a million other things to cushon her from the fall."

Maybe they will and Maybe they won't .If they do ahead with the decision to kill Gwen,For Spidey the Fans who have been Reading Spider-man for years it's going matter and for those who aren't familiar with spider-man then they won't care.I honestly don't think they are going to sit there and analyze how he could of saved her. She was thrown from the bridge,spidey tried to save her with a web-line that snapped her neck. He blames himself for this and Spidey want see how he deal with tragedy and overcomes this on the silver-screen.

 

[Dagenspear]

I disagree with you on a lot of things here, but that statement is very true. You are not a troll like mr.spear up there!

So someone who doesn't pull punches and calls you out for spouting crap, and actually dares to stand on principle and question you and your precious little comic canon, and that automatically makes them a troll? Seems like the fanboy fear of change syndrome is in full force here.

 

[Dagenspear]

Honestly, I find this whole "want to see Gwen Stacy killed off so that we can pair Spidey up with Mary Jane" mentality both, disturbing and appalling. The desire for one should not be in relation the the other.

I wonder how much of this is due to Peter Parker/Spider-Man being a wish-fulfillment escapist character; in which some people project themselves into his shoes to live precariously through this fictional fantasy character and see Mary Jane as the ultimate fantasy/prize.

Seriously, having Gwen be killed off as a result of her association with Spider-Man for the sole purpose of paving the way for Mary Jane portrays Peter as reckless and unrepentant - having learned nothing from Gwen's death - at best. And at worse, it carries the theme that women and significant others are replaceable.

Ditto. This is exactly what I said. It's disgusting and sexist. I said in my very first post that Peter should understand that he can't be with anyone as long as he's Spider-Man.

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

I really only support Gwen dying because that's what the roads seem to be pointing to. As for Mary Jane, I want the third movie to have her be saved by Peter as an end to his learning curve, showing that he's not going to trip up again like he did with Gwen.

Saving her doesn't ever have to entail ending up with Mary Jane, and to be honest, I don't expect him to end up with her. I don't think he would get over Gwen's death in one movie.

 

[Dagenspear]

I really only support Gwen dying because that's what the roads seem to be pointing to. As for Mary Jane, I want the third movie to have her be saved by Peter as an end to his learning curve, showing that he's not going to trip up again like he did with Gwen.

Saving her doesn't ever have to entail ending up with Mary Jane, and to be honest, I don't expect him to end up with her. I don't think he would get over Gwen's death in one movie.

I'm not sure I understand. Why would you support it, unless you wanted it to happen? I'm pretty sure it's gonna happen (I hope it doesn't), but I DON'T support it.

 

[Rogue Kira]

Only time will tell.

 

[OP84CC82]

Honestly, I find this whole "want to see Gwen Stacy killed off so that we can pair Spidey up with Mary Jane" mentality both, disturbing and appalling. The desire for one should not be in relation the the other.

I wonder how much of this is due to Peter Parker/Spider-Man being a wish-fulfillment escapist character; in which some people project themselves into his shoes to live precariously through this fictional fantasy character and see Mary Jane as the ultimate fantasy/prize.

Seriously, having Gwen be killed off as a result of her association with Spider-Man for the sole purpose of paving the way for Mary Jane portrays Peter as reckless and unrepentant - having learned nothing from Gwen's death - at best. And at worse, it carries the theme that women and significant others are replaceable.

Word.

 

[Web face]

One thing I agree with here, is that Peter shouldn't end up with MJ in the movie after Gwen's death. Assuming this is a trilogy, it would feel incredibly rushed and plus I don't want to see MJ's and Peter's relationship/relationship problems again. I think I got just about enough of that in the first trilogy. I still disagree that it is sexist to kill off Gwen but no point in going back and forth if neither of us will budge.

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

I'm not sure I understand. Why would you support it, unless you wanted it to happen? I'm pretty sure it's gonna happen (I hope it doesn't), but I DON'T support it.

Are you talking about my supporting Mary Jane getting saved by Spider-Man? Because I didn't mean that I necessarily want them to end up together. I just want Spider-Man to save her. I don't care what happens to them afterwards.

 

[Dagenspear]

Are you talking about my supporting Mary Jane getting saved by Spider-Man? Because I didn't mean that I necessarily want them to end up together. I just want Spider-Man to save her. I don't care what happens to them afterwards.

I was actually refering to your comment about you supporting Gwen dying because it seems to be the they're going with it. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[mr. peasant]

One thing I agree with here, is that Peter shouldn't end up with MJ in the movie after Gwen's death. Assuming this is a trilogy, it would feel incredibly rushed and plus I don't want to see MJ's and Peter's relationship/relationship problems again. I think I got just about enough of that in the first trilogy. I still disagree that it is sexist to kill off Gwen but no point in going back and forth if neither of us will budge.

It would be sexist to kill Gwen in the manner in the comic because it renders her a damsel in distress and (more so) because it also renders her as nothing more than an extension of Spider-Man; meaning she is killed purely as a means to harm Spider-Man rather than as a consequence of anything of her own doing. Meaning, in this context, she is not her own person but a part of Peter Parker.

This becomes even more sexist if Peter Parker then gets together with Mary Jane soon after that event (in terms of movie run time) as it adds that not only is Gwen merely an extension of Peter Parker, that part of him that was harmed/that died with her death can be easily replaced.


Now, if Gwen gets killed because she got in the villain's way (e.g. if Doc Connors killed her in first movie in retaliation for her trying to hide the Ganali device), it would not be sexist. The issue is the motivation behind the killing - is it because she happens to be Peter Parker/Spider-Man's girlfriend or is it because she's Gwen Stacy and that she did something?

 

[Web face]

It would be sexist to kill Gwen in the manner in the comic because it renders her a damsel in distress and (more so) because it also renders her as nothing more than an extension of Spider-Man; meaning she is killed purely as a means to harm Spider-Man rather than as a consequence of anything of her own doing. Meaning, in this context, she is not her own person but a part of Peter Parker.

This becomes even more sexist if Peter Parker then gets together with Mary Jane soon after that event (in terms of movie run time) as it adds that not only is Gwen merely an extension of Peter Parker, that part of him that was harmed/that died with her death can be easily replaced.


Now, if Gwen gets killed because she got in the villain's way (e.g. if Doc Connors killed her in first movie in retaliation for her trying to hide the Ganali device), it would not be sexist. The issue is the motivation behind the killing - is it because she happens to be Peter Parker/Spider-Man's girlfriend or is it because she's Gwen Stacy and that she did something?

That doesn't really make it sexist and not a lot of the people die because of their own doing. They aren't killing her because she is a woman, they are killing her because she is close to Peter and her death carries a deeper meaning. Besides, even if it is considered sexist, just remember that Green Goblin, Spider-Man's greatest enemy, is the one committing the crime. Wouldn't it make sense for sexism to be a trait of a man who is evil? That would teach people that sexism is evil.
I guess it would be sexist if it was a man that was close to Peter that died. Actually that would be Uncle Ben. Also, it was never like she was easily replacable. That is why I don't want to have Mary Jane be a new love interest. Not enough time.

 

[mr. peasant]

I'm simply explaining the rationale behind the argument; to which I feel it holds merit. Whether you or I agree with it is entirely up to us since something like this is pretty subjective depending how one interprets it.

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

I was actually refering to your comment about you supporting Gwen dying because it seems to be the they're going with it. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

It's alright. Good to clear things up in the air sometimes.

 

[Web face]

I'm simply explaining the rationale behind the argument; to which I feel it holds merit. Whether you or I agree with it is entirely up to us since something like this is pretty subjective depending how one interprets it.

Ohhh ok. I think I understand where you are coming from and you make some good points but sexist is just not the word that I personally would use. To me, your best point that you made is that the idea of Gwen dying reduces her to basically a tool for Peter. I think what is supposed to stop her from becoming that is how the director ( or writer) handles it and character developement. If she is well developed and we care for her then she will become more than just a tool for Peter to learn. That is why I support it, because I am looking at what would be the best possible scenario. Of course, my expectation might not be reached though.

 

[mr. peasant]

Ohhh ok. I think I understand where you are coming from and you make some good points but sexist is just not the word that I personally would use. To me, your best point that you made is that the idea of Gwen dying reduces her to basically a tool for Peter. I think what is supposed to stop her from becoming that is how the director ( or writer) handles it and character developement. If she is well developed and we care for her then she will become more than just a tool for Peter to learn. That is why I support it, because I am looking at what would be the best possible scenario. Of course, my expectation might not be reached though.

Precisely. Ultimately, it's a question of whether the character is someone with agency and is able to actively choose to do things or someone who people do things to - of which, the former is always better than the latter, regardless of gender.

For instance, consider how Uncle Ben consciously chose to confront the thief who ultimately killed him; as opposed to the thief deciding to take him hostage and later kill him. In both situations, the point is the same; which is to teach Peter about responsibility. However, the former would be a better execution (pun unintended) as far as the complexity/depth of the character of Uncle Ben is concerned.

 

[Web face]

Precisely. Ultimately, it's a question of whether the character is someone with agency and is able to actively choose to do things or someone who people do things to - of which, the former is always better than the latter, regardless of gender.

For instance, consider how Uncle Ben consciously chose to confront the thief who ultimately killed him; as opposed to the thief deciding to take him hostage and later kill him. In both situations, the point is the same; which is to teach Peter about responsibility. However, the former would be a better execution (pun unintended) as far as the complexity/depth of the character of Uncle Ben is concerned.

Yup, I kinda want Gwen to get a little too involved with Peter's Spider-Man business and try to help when she clearly does not have the power to actually help. That said, I would still enjoy seeing the actual scene of her death close to the comics.