When the Wrestling Thread Got the Answers, HE Changed the Questions

[TX85]

I wish Sting had his old crow theme or at least his Seek & Destroy by Metallica

 

[Lobo]

The thing is though is that have they ever acknowledged that the Usos and Reigns are cousins?

Yes.

 

[SuperBatman]

SD Spoilers

Spoiler

* Dean Ambrose kicked off SmackDown with a promo in the ring and was put in a match.

* Sheamus defeated Dean Ambrose with a Brogue Kick. Ambrose was distracted by Bray Wyatt and Luke Harper on the big screen.

* JoJo interviewed Neville in the back but Stardust popped up on a screen behind them and started laughing.

* Neville defeated Adam Rose in a quick match.

* Stardust cut a backstage promo on Neville.

* A Sasha Banks vignette aired.

* King Barrett comes out to the ring for a promo on being The King.

* Rusev with Summer Rae defeated Kevin Owens by count out when Owens left.

* Owens interrupted a Cesaro interview backstage and they had words. Cesaro knocked Owens for walking out on matches.

* The Bella Twins defeated Sasha Banks and Naomi when Nikki Bella hit the Rack Attack on Naomi.

* Seth Rollins defeated Cesaro in the match of the night with a Pedigree. Owens came out after the match and attacked Cesaro, hitting him with a pop-up powerbomb. This appears to be where SmackDown ends.

Looks like we could get

Spoiler

Owens vs. Cesaro at Summerslam

 

[famicommander]

I freely admit I have a bias against the WWE that causes me to react too harshly to things they do, and I don't always hold TNA, ROH, LU, etc to the standard I do WWE. It's hypocritical and I understand that can and does annoy people. I still do want them to do well, and I loved them my entire life up until about the time of the Invasion and later brand extension (since then I've drifted in and out, mostly just watching wrestlers I like and matches people recommend to me). It's just these last few years that have really turned me into a jaded, bitter critic of the product.

However, I said a while back that they were going to bury Kevin Owens/Steen, and that's exactly what has happened.

Bryan Alvarez of Wrestling Observer Live is reporting former NXT Champion and current WWE Superstar Kevin Owens has been dropped from the main event level to an “upper mid-card” position.

Owens is being compared to other WWE Superstars such as Dolph Ziggler, Cesaro and Rusev as far as card position...

...it’s being said Owens’ removal from the storyline with Cena will be a “step down” for him. As of right now, there are no plans for Owens to be featured on the Summerslam card, but will get his NXT Championship rematch against new champion Finn Balor at the NXT Takeover event in Brooklyn the night before.

full article:
http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/600...picture-are-there-plans-for-him-at-summerslam

They buried him.

He lost his NXT title cleanly, he lost at two consecutive PPVs to Cena including a tap out at Battleground, he lost on Monday Night Raw last night (he abandoned Rusev who took the pin, but it still goes as a loss), and at the Smackdown tapings

Spoiler

he left another match and got counted out on purpose. It looks like he's about to feud with Cesaro/Castognoli, which will definitely produce some awesome matches, but with the way both guys are being booked right now gives me little faith Kev mill go over in this feud.

He's also probably going to lose his NXT title rematch, meaning he will have lost at four consecutive PPVs/supercards. I hope they give him something to do at Summerslam, and actually get him a win.

 

[I'm Batman.]

Is Rollins vs. Sting not a possibility?

It would be a continuation of Sting's storyline.

 

[The Chris]

I freely admit I have a bias against the WWE that causes me to react too harshly to things they do, and I don't always hold TNA, ROH, LU, etc to the standard I do WWE. It's hypocritical and I understand that can and does annoy people. I still do want them to do well, and I loved them my entire life up until about the time of the Invasion and later brand extension (since then I've drifted in and out, mostly just watching wrestlers I like and matches people recommend to me). It's just these last few years that have really turned me into a jaded, bitter critic of the product.

However, I said a while back that they were going to bury Kevin Owens/Steen, and that's exactly what has happened.


full article:
http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/600...picture-are-there-plans-for-him-at-summerslam

They buried him.

He lost his NXT title cleanly, he lost at two consecutive PPVs to Cena including a tap out at Battleground, he lost on Monday Night Raw last night (he abandoned Rusev who took the pin, but it still goes as a loss), and at the Smackdown tapings

Spoiler

he left another match and got counted out on purpose. It looks like he's about to feud with Cesaro/Castognoli, which will definitely produce some awesome matches, but with the way both guys are being booked right now gives me little faith Kev mill go over in this feud.

He's also probably going to lose his NXT title rematch, meaning he will have lost at four consecutive PPVs/supercards. I hope they give him something to do at Summerslam, and actually get him a win.

I don't understand it. I don't understand any of this garbage. His work has been fantastic. Why do they do this to every person who fueds with Cena. They all come out looking worse and getting garbage afterwards. I still feel there is no good excuse for Cena still being US champion, especially if he's challenging Rollins. This is beyond ugh.

 

[Wheels]

WWE is only hurting their own credibility by killing Owens' push and not pushing Cersaro or Neville hard. Apparently Cena is a bum because he can be taken to the limit, and beaten, or almost beaten, by insignificant midcarders that WWE doesn't believe in.

 

[famicommander]

They have a history of taking indie stars that are over, whether heel or face, and turning them into cowardly heels and burying them with Cena. They did it to Punk, they did it to Owens/Steen, they're doing it to Rollins/Black right now.

They killed all the heat Owens had. He was one of the freshest and best new heels in this company in who knows how long, and they just faceplanted him. They didn't have to start him off in a feud with Cena if they weren't ready to put him in the main event. And he put on what were, by all accounts, three of the best matches anyone has had with Cena in a long time.

It makes absolutely no sense for Cena to not drop the belt to one of these up and comers, especially if they're throwing him in the world title picture. But they don't want Cena to take a short term hit (even though he's probably about to win a bigger title), so they'll probably vacate the US title and avoid having Cena take a pin. Or let him lose it in a triple threat but not take a pin. The whole point of a midcard title is to give up and comers and respected workers something to fight for.

Bryan is the exception, because he got so insanely over. I'm glad he broke through, and he deserves it, but I doubt we'll be able to say the same for Rollins, Ambrose, Owens, Cesaro, Neville, Balor, Samoa Joe, etc because WWE didn't develop them like they did Reigns, Wyatt, Cena, Sheamus, and Orton. I bet when Reigns wins the title they don't book him so weak like they have with Rollins.

 

[famicommander]

WWE is only hurting their own credibility by killing Owens' push and not pushing Cersaro or Neville hard. Apparently Cena is a bum because he can be taken to the limit, and beaten, or almost beaten, by insignificant midcarders that WWE doesn't believe in.

That's the worst part of it. They could have protected Cena better than they did without burying Owens at all.

Instead of Owens pinning Cena cleanly but not for the title, how about Owens pins Cena with a weapon or low blow and wins the title that way? Cena doesn't take a hit and still moves on to the title picture, Owens keeps his heat, wins the belt, and then feuds with someone else.

EDIT:

Or, hell, have Rollins interfere in the match at Battleground. It helps everybody. Owens wins the US title, Cena has a reason to feud with Rollins, Rollins looks like a strong heel provoking the top guy in the company rather than getting straight up buried and then running away like a coward on Raw. Cena verbally buried both Rollins and the WWE title.

 

[sweetre15]

Edit post

 

[sweetre15]

Oh man at times I wish Dunn and Vince both ended up at a relative's house in Ireland or something and their US citizenship a both got revoked simultaneously. They wouldn't be able to run WWE in their dumb way of running it with self fulling counterproductive measures and they would be in a place where they would be well fed and safe from harm.

They are the most irrational, self-serving assh-les I've ever seen run a company and it pisses me off to no end. I despise those two and I'm glad I haven't watched Raw for the past two weeks because they seem to sabotage anything with potential that's new just to justifying going back to the same old sh--t.

 

[famicommander]

WWE is now booking NXT shows in the same markets at the same time as ROH shows.

ROH and other promotions have a habit of booking shows in the same markets as the major four WWE PPVs, but at a different point in the weekend.

So WWE is essentially countering ROH with NXT. There were also rumors WWE was mad that ROH can still sell certain Kevin Steen merchandise due to his contracts with ROH and other mechandise makers.

They're signing ROH stars, throwing them into NXT, using them to put over green internal prospects like Tyler Breeze. Or calling them up to the main roster and burying them.

ROH is an ankle biter to Vince at this point but since he's pretty much crushed TNA (well, the Carters and Vince Russo helped a lot) so he had to find someone else's fun to destroy.

I hope ROH can continue to grow and prosper. I'd hate for NXT to kill it.

 

[Slushy]

However, I said a while back that they were going to bury Kevin Owens/Steen, and that's exactly what has happened.

He has everything it takes to be a top player and Helmsley wanted to make that happen, but McMahon put a stop to it because he thinks Owens doesn't have "it."

It's Cesaro all over again. UGH!!!

What I don't get is, why would Sting even be involved in the first place?

Same reason why Undertaker got involved with Wyatt. He was getting called out.

 

[famicommander]

He has everything it takes to be a top player and Helmsley wanted to make that happen, but McMahon put a stop to it because he thinks Owens doesn't have "it."

It's Cesaro all over again. UGH!!!

I bet Ryback gets a world title run before Cesaro.

 

[sweetre15]

WWE is now booking NXT shows in the same markets at the same time as ROH shows.

ROH and other promotions have a habit of booking shows in the same markets as the major four WWE PPVs, but at a different point in the weekend.

So WWE is essentially countering ROH with NXT. There were also rumors WWE was mad that ROH can still sell certain Kevin Steen merchandise due to his contracts with ROH and other mechandise makers.

They're signing ROH stars, throwing them into NXT, using them to put over green internal prospects like Tyler Breeze. Or calling them up to the main roster and burying them.

ROH is an ankle biter to Vince at this point but since he's pretty much crushed TNA (well, the Carters and Vince Russo helped a lot) so he had to find someone else's fun to destroy.

I hope ROH can continue to grow and prosper. I'd hate for NXT to kill it.

Now I don't mind NXT's growth because it's the only good thing left of WWE at this point and the only show Im excited to watch on a consistent basis. I haven't seen an Indy act put over Tyler Breeze in a long time either. He had a back and forth feud with KENTA and he has jobbed to Zayn, Balor, Neville etc he's started getting pushed again since the callups and actually has a strong grasp on his character along with being good in the ring by showing he can keep up with any smark favorite. He was trained by Lance Storm afterall.

What I can't stand is this company being resistant to real change.

P.S. NXT can never kill ROH because the niche ROH caters to will remain loyal no matter what

 

[killface]

I bet Ryback gets a world title run before Cesaro.

You're probably right.

 

[S. Grundy]

That's the worst part of it. They could have protected Cena better than they did without burying Owens at all.

Instead of Owens pinning Cena cleanly but not for the title, how about Owens pins Cena with a weapon or low blow and wins the title that way? Cena doesn't take a hit and still moves on to the title picture, Owens keeps his heat, wins the belt, and then feuds with someone else.

EDIT:

Or, hell, have Rollins interfere in the match at Battleground. It helps everybody. Owens wins the US title, Cena has a reason to feud with Rollins, Rollins looks like a strong heel provoking the top guy in the company rather than getting straight up buried and then running away like a coward on Raw. Cena verbally buried both Rollins and the WWE title.

Or subvert expectations and had Owens win the first two against Cena, but have Cena win the title match (and not by tapping out to the worst looking STF ever). Have Owen's cocky attitude at beating Cena be his downfall.

 

[Donnie Darko]

I don't agree with Owens losing to Cena, but short of being in a world title program, is there really anything better for him to do right now than feud with Cesaro and Rusev, two of the best guys on the roster? Admittedly, if he isn't on the Summer Slam card, that sucks, but he will be in the main event title match the night before.

I mean, his place on the card, during/after the Cena feud, is still greater than or equal to that of Reigns, who people still sometimes say is being shoved down our throats.

I bet Zack Ryder wishes he could be buried like that.

 

[Donnie Darko]

I'm not trying to excuse WWE's huge mistakes (Owens TAPPING OUT, Rollins' weak title reign, King Barrett feuding with R-Truth in filler matches and pre-shows, etc) but Owens came out of the Cena program feuding with the exact two guys pretty much all of us wanted, just without the belt.

 

[S. Grundy]

So apparently GFW is going to be little less scripted storylines, and more about documenting the wrestlers and their histories/stories leading to feuds.

 

[Donnie Darko]

So apparently GFW is going to be little less scripted storylines, and more about documenting the wrestlers and their histories/stories leading to feuds.

So kind of a "real" approach to it, like boxing and MMA will have reality/documentary series following around the guys before a big fight and giving their backstory?

 

[Wheels]

Owens isn't buried. I'm just don't understand why Cena is probably moving on to the world title before the big moment of dropping the U.S. title. If Cena drops the title in the middle of the Seth Rollins feud on RAW before SummerSlam it lacks impact because John will be focused on something else. I also don't get why everyone has to be on the same freaking level in this era. Anyone can be on John Cena's kayfabe level, and then perhaps not even be featured in a significant way. Parity doesn't work in wrestling; if midcarders are as good as main eventers then the 15 time champ ain't that special.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Kevin Owens beat John Cena clean on his WWE PPV debut, and was pushed heavy both immediately upon his arrival in NXT and then immediately upon his arrival in WWE. His program with John Cena has been the hottest of the year, producing some of the best matches of the year. He's one of the most talked about wrestlers on the planet right now. Even after Cena beat him, it took like 3 Attitude Adjustments to do it. So I find it pretty hilarious that he loses a few matches and suddenly he's "buried."

If he's still being sandbagged a few months from now, yes, we'll talk about Owens being wasted by WWE or whatever. But he's just wrapped a 3-month program with the biggest star on the roster. Short of him charging straight into the World Title picture, what does he do after that which isn't going to be perceived as a step down, and therefore WWE "burying" him?

Would I have preferred Owens to have won the US Title at Battleground? Absolutely. Especially if Owens is now going on to feud with Cesaro and Cena is apparently transitioning into a feud with Rollins, to me it seems more sensible that Owens and Cesaro could use the US Title to add higher stakes to their rivalry while Cena could focus on chasing the World Title. Though, having said that, it would make little sense for Cena to lose that feud with Owens and then challenge for the World Title. I wouldn't be surprised to see some transition - maybe in a multi-man match - that would see Cena drop the US Title to Owens in a way that it is used to advance a burgeoning Cena/Rollins rivalry as opposed to continuing the Cena/Owens feud.

 

[nite-owl]

 

[Wheels]

I have zero issue with Owens feuding with Cesaro, my fear though, is that it won't be featured as a major feud that gets attention on RAW. Being a top level guy isn't always about wrestling the likes of Cena or Brock, it's about whether you get segments on RAW to build your story. I just hope Owens is allowed to matter outside the Cena bubble.