Where Is Gambit, Bishop, Cable, & Apocolyspe (sp) In This Movie?!?!?

[tamron]

i wanna see either lfishbourne or sam jackson play bishop

Wouldn't have as much of a problem with Fishburne, but Samuel L. is simply too charismatic for Bishop. Bishop needs to be played with a surly stoicism, which I will readily admit Fishburne has. However, his resemblence to Bishop is negligible at best. In my mind, KHC is the complete package for Bishop. A stage trained actor, he stands 6'5", has screen presence and his voice is commanding. Watch him in old eps of Andromeda as Tyr. I tell you, the guy is the right actor for the part. He's not a star, but what he has is the right combination of talent and resemblence to the character.

 

[afmvdp]

bishop and cable could only exist in a completely seperate movie, perhaps an age of apoc based one... but certainly nothing more. If you wanted to have a cameo of bishop it would be in the form of a very young black child, nothing more.

And secondly, a much bigger note, I am getting really sick of people talking about Singer like he was this great fan of the comics and really cared about this series. He didn't give a damn about it, he completely screwed up characters and personas, and MOST of the things fans liked was done by the writers and he had little to do with it. The same corporate controlled movie that X3 is was the same way X1 and X2 were. So nothing has changed.

In movies like this the director really doesn't have much control, they are merely a figurehead by which to sell a movie. Like the queen of england is merely a puppet of the parliament.

 

[Genosha]

bishop and cable could only exist in a completely seperate movie, perhaps an age of apoc based one... but certainly nothing more. If you wanted to have a cameo of bishop it would be in the form of a very young black child, nothing more.

And secondly, a much bigger note, I am getting really sick of people talking about Singer like he was this great fan of the comics and really cared about this series. He didn't give a damn about it, he completely screwed up characters and personas, and MOST of the things fans liked was done by the writers and he had little to do with it. The same corporate controlled movie that X3 is was the same way X1 and X2 were. So nothing has changed.

In movies like this the director really doesn't have much control, they are merely a figurehead by which to sell a movie. Like the queen of england is merely a puppet of the parliament.

I disagree completely. Tom DeSanto really got Bryan Singer hooked on the X-Men Universe and I believe he respects it a lot. Sure, he changed some things, but I believe Singer GOT the core of the X-Men comics.
And that is the "outsider issue", the feelings of not belonging, and to be different.
Prejudice and bigotry are part of the backbone of the X-Men lore and Singer brought that beautifully to the screen.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I disagree completely. Tom DeSanto really got Bryan Singer hooked on the X-Men Universe and I believe he respects it a lot. Sure, he changed some things, but I believe Singer GOT the core of the X-Men comics.
And that is the "outsider issue", the feelings of not belonging, and to be different.
Prejudice and bigotry are part of the backbone of the X-Men lore and Singer brought that beautifully to the screen.

You are exactly right.

People think Singer screwed up the X-Men because they didn't wear tight spandex and Cyclops didn't blow up Sentinel heads left and right.

But there is way more to the X-Men than that, and Singer captured the true essence of what the X-Men are really all about.

 

[JP]

Singer had great appreciation for the X-Men. If he didn't give a crap he would not have made them.

 

[Genosha]

You are exactly right.

People think Singer screwed up the X-Men because they didn't wear tight spandex and Cyclops didn't blow up Sentinel heads left and right.

But there is way more to the X-Men than that, and Singer captured the true essence of what the X-Men are really all about.

Yeah, its the realism of the proceedings that I really enjoyed. When I watch an X-Men film, not only do I feel like I'm transported into a realm of fantasy, but I feel like it has touches of realism to it.

And Singer should be credited for grounding the X-Men in reality so the major themes of the comics could be heard.

Hey, I would've loved to see Wolvie in his original uniform, Storm flying all over the place, and Lady Deathstrike look more like the cyborg mutant she is in the comics.
But I understand why Singer made the choices he made and the films speak for themselves.

 

[The Apocalypse]

what makes me a fanboy, because i want to see different chars for a movie, besides the same boring ones???????????

The fact of the matter is the first 2 men movies were subpar with plot, and character development. The flims were rushed and didnt have the story line like a spiderman or a batman. They just lumped people togethor and used the name to make money.

Yeah same boring ones. Thats why there adding more people. BTW there not boring.

 

[afmvdp]

I disagree completely. Tom DeSanto really got Bryan Singer hooked on the X-Men Universe and I believe he respects it a lot. Sure, he changed some things, but I believe Singer GOT the core of the X-Men comics.
And that is the "outsider issue", the feelings of not belonging, and to be different.
Prejudice and bigotry are part of the backbone of the X-Men lore and Singer brought that beautifully to the screen.

Again you twist the past to match your current beliefs. DeSanto really got him into the books after the first one. Especially after the sucess at the box office. It was at this point that he became a fan of the books and started really reading, and thus X2 was a much better and more accurate depiction.

In X1 Singer knew almost nothing about the characters and the film was mostly controlled by the studio. Ratner is already a known big fan of the books, so considering that I think we'll get at least as good a film as X2 was if not better. My only fear really is what impact the momentary existence of Vaughn at the helm may have on this release but considering how much they've made it clear they are altering we will far more likely get the good film indeed.

 

[JP]

I know. Its been a dream of Ratners to do an X-Men movie. Much like Singers dream to do Superman. The only thing that worries me is how much Vaughn put into the script. He didn't seem passionate about the film. He disregarded everything Singer did, whereas Ratner has much respect for Singer.

 

[Genosha]

Again you twist the past to match your current beliefs. DeSanto really got him into the books after the first one. Especially after the sucess at the box office. It was at this point that he became a fan of the books and started really reading, and thus X2 was a much better and more accurate depiction.

In X1 Singer knew almost nothing about the characters and the film was mostly controlled by the studio. Ratner is already a known big fan of the books, so considering that I think we'll get at least as good a film as X2 was if not better. My only fear really is what impact the momentary existence of Vaughn at the helm may have on this release but considering how much they've made it clear they are altering we will far more likely get the good film indeed.

Um, I was under the impression that DeSanto got him hooked on it before X1. Singer is a smart guy. I really don't think he would sign on to something that he didn't know anything about.
He had to have done a little bit of research before signing on. And in many ways, X1 is just as good as X2. The opening Wolverine scene is very faithful and amazing.

 

[Endeavor]

give me what we want

Legion? is that you??!...

 

[WalkingDead]

Um, I was under the impression that DeSanto got him hooked on it before X1. Singer is a smart guy. I really don't think he would sign on to something that he didn't know anything about.
He had to have done a little bit of research before signing on. And in many ways, X1 is just as good as X2. The opening Wolverine scene is very faithful and amazing.

If I remember correctly, Singer got into the X-Men 90's Cartoon for the first movie...he watched it to get the essences of the characters. I think it's in the X1 Commentary that he mentions the Cartoon and that he liked it a lot.
And then by the time X2 was started, he had been reading the comics and got hooked on them.

And I think Singer would have done a very nice job, but he isn't doing it now. Ratner, I don't think is a horrible choice. I couldn't think of anyone when Singer left that could do a 3rd X-Film, so I'm glad it wasn't up to me to pick a new director.

We could have had any number of piss-poor directors that have no idea what to do with mutants...I think it'll be fine. Hell, Ratner may consult with Singer on his X3 plans and really try to push for some Singer-esque ideas for X3.

 

[afmvdp]

walking dead beat me to it. And from his own notes he watched the cartoons mostly to get an idea of movements for how they should attack, be filmed, etc more than anything else. Now by the end of filming and getting ready for the next film he started getting more into it, was given some of the more classic books to read, and from that he really actually delved into the characters... Since Ratner has such a love and knowledge for the material already, I can't see him intentionally doing anything to mess up something that he holds dear to himself.

 

[Octoberist]

I have a feeling that Ratner is a casual comic book fan. I'm not saying that he's hardcore but he's familar with the X-men and it's characters. That's probably why they got him instead of the other guy who did flight of the phonix....Wait a minute...lol

 

[JP]

Like I said, Its been Ratners dream to do X-Men. And I bet he is secretly glad Tucker acted like an ass and held up the Rush Hour 3 prudoction.

 

[WalkingDead]

Like I said, Its been Ratners dream to do X-Men. And I bet he is secretly glad Tucker acted like an ass and held up the Rush Hour 3 prudoction.

I bet you your right.

 

[Octoberist]

Tucker demanded more money and creative control right? Even Jackie Chan in an interview stated that Tucker doesn't have that power in Hollywood yet. He's stil fairly new and in fact, he hasn't done anything since Rush Hour 2. Not even indie flicks, to my knowledge. What is he? Tom Cruise?

 

[Jplaya2023]

Legion? is that you??!...

que?????????

 

[Endeavor]

Nada chico. Ya paso

 

[Jplaya2023]

did anyone get a chance to contact marvels and have these chars implemented??

 

[Jennifer Walters]

No Bishop. Cable. or Apocalypse in these movies. EVER. In a restart ten or so years later, maybe, but not Singer/Ratner's films. They just won't fit.

Now Gambit, I wouldn't mind, but he's entirely not necessary, he'd just be cool to have around.

 

[MoiBijou]

Now Gambit, I wouldn't mind, but he's entirely not necessary, he'd just be cool to have around.

We don't know if he's necessary or not because we don't know the whole plot. Perhaps he's necessary in one of the several plots the movie has got (Arad's words)

However, having him around would be cool enough.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

We'll yeah. I assumme he's not just gonna sit around going ''Hi, I'm Remy Lebeau. Chere." Only in a slightly more Gambit tone and dialect.

I assume if he's a part of anything dealing with X-Men, he's going to have a purpose. It's just I don't find he's too entirely necessary overall to stuff into a plot or anything just for the sake of getting him in there.

 

[MoiBijou]

We'll yeah. I assumme he's not just gonna sit around going ''Hi, I'm Remy Lebeau. Chere." Only in a slightly more Gambit tone and dialect.

I assume if he's a part of anything dealing with X-Men, he's going to have a purpose. It's just I don't find he's too entirely necessary overall to stuff into a plot or anything just for the sake of getting him in there.

I repeat: Do we know the whole plot? I don't think he's gonna be there just for the sake of being in the movie. Perhaps he's got any little "mission", something we still don't know and that it's related to those "secret pages" the script has got. Maybe he's important in a small scene or the only action he does in the movie causes something bigger.

Until we know the plot, we can't say who's and who's not necessary in the movie.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

You aren't understanding me darling. I'm not just talking about X3. I'm talking about the franchise as a whole.