The Dark Knight Which element of the Joker is more important?

[wikum]

off topic here...did the batusi lounge get shut down again?

 

[jimmy]

Not again.

 

[EagleVision]

My first question is why do we have to choose between the two? It's like giving us a choice between a Bruce Wayne hunted by his demons because of his parents death or a Bruce Wayne who becomes the Batman and we have to choose between them. Ok, a bad analogy, I'll admit, but we really shouldn't have to choose. INIT. I strongly believe the normal skin is the makeup theory. I would also love if his hair was perma-green but wouldn't be too dissapointed if it wasn't.

AMEN! I was just about to write the same thing. We shouldn't have to choose. It's not hard to do, it's not complicated, simply Nolan's realism is not living up to our expectations being that he's not completely devoted to the comic. Everytime I talk about it, it sounds like I'm hating on Nolan. Truth is, he's done wonders with the Bat and I'm proud of him. But man shoot, when it comes to the simple things, DON'T MESS AROUND WITH IT! Joker has been like that since day one! We should never have to choose. It's like saying should Batman wear a cowl or should he wear a paper bag over his head with drawn in Bat ears made with a sharpie? It's not even a choice. U do what's right, not what u want!

If it a'int broke, don't fix it!

 

[Salemdog]

Since there are several threads about the Joker I posted this in just the two I considered to be more about his look.

Just a quick observation. This might be stretching a bit but it may be a possibility. Nolan isn't a big fan of CGI but it was used in the first one in limited parts. In FF the Thing (Chiklis ) wore a costume which was enhanced by CGI. I remember a still from the first flick that showed Batman running down a corrider in Arkham. In the film he was surrounded by bats that weren't seen in the still.

Is it possible we are not getting the whole picture once again with the stills? Maybe the Joker's (Ledger) skin will be enhanced (colored) with CGI to give him the bleached appearance many seem to be looking for. It seems an easy thing to do with today's technology. The look in the stills (the makeup) are just to help the actors. Just a thought.

 

[scabab]

Sick Humour thats whats important

 

[TedKordLives]

This poll seems quite irrelevant to the inquiry, it is too straight forward and black & white. I come to the conclusion that the original poster is biased and decided to create a thread in which he knew many would answer to the second option. The poll fails to have any kind of center, where is the answer of "both," which is the one true end all to be all answer.

As the person who created this thread, I am here to tell you that this is EXACTLY the point. I decided that whole debate over "He is/isn't the Joker without bleached skin," was stupid and decided that this would be a good way to illuistrate the debate, and, in forcing people to choose where the priorities for the character lie, hopefully force even most hardcore naysayer to admit that, in perspective, this is probably gonna be a cool movie whether Joker wears make-up or whatever.

Putting an option for "both" would completely negate the point of even asking in the first place, because EVERYONE would choose both, and no one would gain any perspective what so ever. If you complained that was no option for "both," congratulations, you have completely missed the point, and probably didn't read any of the posts in this thread before posting yourself.

So yes, I am aware that you probably wanted to choose both, but letting you do so would NOT be making the point I wanted to make. If you wanted both, and could choose, then you should've abstained from voting. It's supposed to be biased, it's supposed to force you to choose, and no, it's NOT ideal. I've said this many times, and now, I think I may just close this thread and be done with it.

 

[Arkard]

As the person who created this thread, I am here to tell you that this is EXACTLY the point. I decided that whole debate over "He is/isn't the Joker without bleached skin," was stupid and decided that this would be a good way to illuistrate the debate, and, in forcing people to choose where the priorities for the character lie, hopefully force even most hardcore naysayer to admit that, in perspective, this is probably gonna be a cool movie whether Joker wears make-up or whatever.

And wheter the film will be cool or not has nothing to do with the discussion of "Is the Joker without face bleaching really the Joker". You sort of missed the point. The movie might be great, but to some, including a permanent visage to the Joker is a key essential, like the murder of the Waynes, which should not be moved, but around which endless details can be build upon, thus killing the whole "if you want literal translation read comic books" hals-fass argument.

 

[dark_b]

Since there are several threads about the Joker I posted this in just the two I considered to be more about his look.

Just a quick observation. This might be stretching a bit but it may be a possibility. Nolan isn't a big fan of CGI but it was used in the first one in limited parts. In FF the Thing (Chiklis ) wore a costume which was enhanced by CGI. I remember a still from the first flick that showed Batman running down a corrider in Arkham. In the film he was surrounded by bats that weren't seen in the still.

Is it possible we are not getting the whole picture once again with the stills? Maybe the Joker's (Ledger) skin will be enhanced (colored) with CGI to give him the bleached appearance many seem to be looking for. It seems an easy thing to do with today's technology. The look in the stills (the makeup) are just to help the actors. Just a thought.

1. the thing in FF looks bad. it doesnt look like he is out of rock.
2. they used maybe two or 3 times CGI for the thing to look him like rock.
3. using CGI for digital bats is not the same as to use CGI for jokers skin. this is waaaaaaaaaaay to different and even directors who are obssesed with CGI wouldnt do this. so since nolan would never never never do this it will not happen. fact.

 

[TedKordLives]

And wheter the film will be cool or not has nothing to do with the discussion of "Is the Joker without face bleaching really the Joker". You sort of missed the point. The movie might be great, but to some, including a permanent visage to the Joker is a key essential, like the murder of the Waynes, which should not be moved, but around which endless details can be build upon, thus killing the whole "if you want literal translation read comic books" hals-fass argument.

Well, YOU'RE missing the point, because that's exactly the discussion I was involved in on several threads when I started this poll.

 

[Arkard]

Ah， excuse me for not following your career on the SHH boards. This thread is still pointless because you are making an argument, by your own words, that connects the nature of the Joker`s visage to how cool the movie will be. If TDK featured a 2 hour orgy between Cat Woman, Rachel Dawes and Barbara Gordon it would still be cool, but would it be a good Batman movie? That is the point. We all know the movie will be cool, we are just worried if we will have to bludgeon our inner geeks into submission to enjoy TDK.

 

[Dvhyzs]

Ah， excuse me for not following your career on the SHH boards. This thread is still pointless because you are making an argument, by your own words, that connects the nature of the Joker`s visage to how cool the movie will be. If TDK featured a 2 hour orgy between Cat Woman, Rachel Dawes and Barbara Gordon it would still be cool, but would it be a good Batman movie? That is the point. We all know the movie will be cool, we are just worried if we will have to bludgeon our inner geeks into submission to enjoy TDK.

Yes...t:

Spoiler

I'm truly glad they are going in a new dirction with the joker instead of making another big chin/nose one. Another jim lee joker on film and i think i might "accidently" fall off a cliff...

 

[Arkard]

OK, bad example...

 

[TedKordLives]

Ah， excuse me for not following your career on the SHH boards. This thread is still pointless because you are making an argument, by your own words, that connects the nature of the Joker`s visage to how cool the movie will be. If TDK featured a 2 hour orgy between Cat Woman, Rachel Dawes and Barbara Gordon it would still be cool, but would it be a good Batman movie? That is the point. We all know the movie will be cool, we are just worried if we will have to bludgeon our inner geeks into submission to enjoy TDK.

Ok, but now we're just getting into semantics.

 

[Arkard]

Semantics are fun.
Like, if I am to get wasted, chosing between Jack Daniels and Bombay Gin is basically a matter of semantics but damn if the choice and consideration is not a fun process in itself.

 

[The Joker]

They're both equally important, IMO. Essential traits to the character.