Which Green Lantern should be used? - Part 2

[BMCAABY]

I feel Hal Jordans Costume should be more distinct from the other GLs to emphasize him being the "Main Lantern".The Hero of the story.Especially in stories where the GL corps are heavily present

Something like this would be neat..

i really like some of these as costumes.. it sort of brings realism but yea it may look funny in film.. lol so if you didn't get that i was joking I'm telling you now..

anyway these are gaslight JUSTICE LEAGUE action figures

I really like martian manhunters costume in this.. would be happy if he is in the film wearing something like this rather than his undies attire

sinestro is just great lol..

 

[BMCAABY]

i like some of these but yea GL stands completely different and it looks like he is in like a halo game or something.. but yea its unique and gives the appearance Hal is OP

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

All of those are... Sub-optimal to put it lightly, sans that hooded J'onn picture. Sorry but... YIKES!!

 

[BMCAABY]

wouldn't mind something like this either as a costume.. but still prefer not giving him tights

honest opinion on the costume is that they should go this route were its all black and when he uses the ring the suit becomes green on those parts.. so when he is out of town the suit remains black like this ..


or they could NOT give him tights and go with this which I prefer.. tights ruin everything for less popular characters…

 

[Rorschach2012]

i like the black suit that lights up. I like the idea that all the GLs receive a black bodysuit that lights up like that. i think the suit should be made practical for the black parts, with cgi enhancements on the green parts of the suit.


i still really like this suit, minus the mask.. and i don't think the green shade of the chest emblem and ring matches the green of the rest of the suit.

i still don't think the GL suit from the movie was that bad. The mask was just weirdly shaped. The suit doesn't need an extensive redesign like some of the redesigns on this page.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

All of those are... Sub-optimal to put it lightly, sans that hooded J'onn picture. Sorry but... YIKES!!

Yikes indeed.

 

[Mightmitenot]

I liked the Superman costume.

 

[CaptainWagner]

-If we're woried about translating a costume onto screen, maybe they should just go with Guy, or at least his "uniform". Just a black track/jump suit with a green jacket over it:

 

[Rorschach2012]

nobody should be worried about the costume...

guy's costume is actually pretty awful ^ the worst of the major Lanterns...

GL's costume does not need changing at all, the basic design is perfect. Except for the white gloves, unless they can make them work

 

[BMCAABY]

I initially thought Will Smith was too old for John Stewart, but after seeing the new trailer for Focus, I think he is a great fit.. He has the charisma and physique also John Stewart is much more of a older and serious guy. Which could be modified on screen and giving him new traits such as being outgoing and having actually good one-liners.

The suit should be similar to the superman one except all black and then the it should appear like this when he fights crime.

Just like his previous superhero Hancock, he should not conceal his identity and try to be a international hero so he shouldn't wear the domino mask. If they are going with a solo movie they should definitely have Hal Jordan or other human lanterns in there along with major alien characters but focus on John Stewart prominently and have Hal Jordan be a superior individual that is not shown as much in the film but spoken about and eventually having brief scenes or something..

I know the comic book john stewart is boring but they could redefine him by making him interesting on film. Which if will smith is casted would make him much more interesting

 

[Rorschach2012]

So John Stewart in name only then? Like you said, Will Smith's personality would be wasted on such a stoic personality like John Stewart.

It's unconventional, but I'd rather Will Smith play Hal Jordan. He'd actually be pretty perfect for Hal Jordan..He'd likely be too expensive, but getting Will Smith as Hal would almost certainly ensure a Green Lantern movie series' success.

Or they might do a John Stewart/Hal Jordan hybrid where he goes by John Stewart, and he can look like John Stewart, but his personality can be more like Hal, and he can have Hal's relationship with Sinestro.

 

[brainchild81]

Making Hal black won't fix him. He'd still be an unlikable waste of screen time &since there aren't that many non white superheroes in live action to begin with, we don't need to waste time turning white characters who didn't work into black characters that don't work. That's not good for anybody. We already know John can work outside of comics because he worked so well on JL/JLU. When you have writers with talent who also give a damn, John's always awesome. This isn't complicated at all. It's already been done right.

Just like his previous superhero Hancock, he should not conceal his identity and try to be a international hero so he shouldn't wear the domino mask.

I'm liking that costume. It's pretty close to what John wore on JLU

 

[Rorschach2012]

Anyone with more than a passing knowledge of Green Lantern outside of JL TAS realizes that Hal Jordan is the greatest Green Lantern.

 

[Rorschach2012]

a humorless, stoic military man vs a Han solo type with a good sense of humor.

one character has a complete lack of personal villains, the other has strong ties to THE villain of the Green Lantern mythos.

one character is primarily a supporting character, the other was intended to be the star of the GL mythology since the scifi Green Lantern's inception.


Barry should come first, just like Hal should come first. It's just the way it should be done. Intro John as a supporting character in the next solo film, just like his role in the comics.

 

[brainchild81]

LMAO. You like Hal more and we all get that. Let's not get carried away with the ridiculous statements now. This may come as as surprise to you(it honestly shouldn't tho) but there are people w/more than a passing knowledge of GL outside of JL TAS that don't consider Hal to be the greatest GL or even A great GL. You're clearly letting your fanboyism get out of control again when you state foolishness like that as if it's a scientifically proven fact. It's not even redeemable if you add "IMO" to it. It's a statement that we automatically know is wrong so it's just a waste of post space that we normally get when too much emotion is involved. Please kill that noise.

One is a character that's been promoted outside of comics waaay more than any other GL for over 50 years. Despite all of this promotion, this character still doesn't mean much to the GA. He means so little that when his film was announced, people were asking why they made him white. This character already went first a few years ago and as I predicted, it didn't work. This character is the star of a movie that was a critical and financial disaster. He's a character that some would say never warranted getting a live action movie in the 1st place(see hilarious video in my sig ). This character has been successfully replaced before and can easily be replaced again. Because of his lack of importance & the nature of the GL corps, he's actually the most easily replaced member of the Justice League. He wouldn't be missed by many outside of his comic fanbase. Neither he nor his villains mean anything to the world at large. This may be a harsh reality for Hal fans, but it's reality nonetheless. Anything he has "going for him" would most likely be better used on a character that actually succeeds when given a chance to shine outside of comics. I'd rather not have any dead weight on the team. We already know that Hal's not a crucial element, because we've already seen a JL that was very successful w/out him. This film should be about having the most entertaining lineup possible, not catering to the smallest demographic possible. There's really no need for Hal to ever appear on film again.

One character is one who many, (including you IIRC) would say hasn't been promoted properly. He was on a great show which he was arguably the breakout star of & it's still to this day the most positive exposure that any GL has ever had. He has no colossal failures to his name outside of comics like Hal does.

WB/DC intended to start a franchise off from Hal's godawful POS film. (They intended to make money w/a Jonah Hex film where they gave him the power to speak w/dead people too.) What they intend to do isn't always best for the franchise. The absolutely dreadful GL film is proof of this.

 

[Rorschach2012]

All you ever talk about is the "GA"

If Marvel was overly worried about the GA, we wouldn't have the accurate comic adaptations of the Marvel characters. WB just needs to do the best possible adaptation they can do, and a story with Hal in the lead role is the best possible direction to go in.

The advantages John Stewart has over Hal Jordan:

-Diversity
-his movie didn't fail

Hal's advantages

-More likable personality. Not boring like the stoic John
-Better storylines to adapt stories from. This is unquestionable. The storylines that John leads are **** compared to Hal's.
-Is the ****ing main character of the series "GREEN LANTERN"
-Has actual ties to the villains in the Green Lantern universe

You're a John Stewart/JL tas fanboy that doesn't realize how seriously flawed that character is.

He doesn't work on his own. The GL mythology was butchered on JL TAS because Hal wasn't there.

Sinestro and Star Sapphire are amazing villains that had zero ties to the GL. That's unacceptable.

Hal Jordan is the clear choice when you actually know what you're talking about. But you don't. So yeah keep up this delusional idea that John works better as the lead.

Just read a damn comic man. Get informed. John Stewart will never work as the lead character of the GL universe unless there is EXTENSIVE rewriting.

If John Stewart is used, he will be an amalgamation of John and Hal.

Everyone's afraid to say it but diversity is the only thing John has on Hal. Hal is just the better character, skipping over Hal to add diversity to an already diverse cinematic Justice League is a stupid move, and they should just change Hal's race instead of adding John.

John is an inferior character that happened to feature on a really good show. Even on that show though, the mythology was ****ed. John Stewart just shouldn't lead a GL franchise.

Everyone knows the obvious basic outline of a GL series. The movies should be based on Johns' work. First movie is Hal vs Sinestro/First Flight basically. Second movie can feature Atrocitus as the big bad. 3rd would be Nekron and Black Hand as the villains.

Hal is meant to be the lead of a GL series.




Since you can't stop talking about the DCAU's flawed take on Green Lantern. Bruce Timm even came to his senses and realized that John Stewart doesn't work as the lead character of a GL solo series. When he did GL TAS, he knew the only way to go was to use Hal Jordan.

John Stewart works in a teamup setting as a supporting character. He was a supporting character in JL TAS and everywhere else, and that's the role that suits him. He's not lead character material. Hal just beat him to the punch, he was always intended to be THE Green Lantern.

Hal is 100% the only way to go for a solo movie series if they want to reach their fullest potential. With a Blackest Night centric storyline, you have the next Star Wars.

 

[brainchild81]

lol. I talk about the GA because their support is crucial for success. Not yours or mine. That's a fact & there's no way around it. If you don't please the GA, a big budget movie will fail, just like Hal's film. These films are all adaptions. Changes are made. They're never 100% comic accurate. I'd rather not talk about Marvel here, but they've found a good balance that pleases the GA & enough of the comics fans to make a profit. That's what studios are going for. The DC films that were successful made changes too. Hal's film did NOT please the GA and it was a mistake to release it to the public. Johns was involved & it was a piece of ****.

You got a source for that Bruce Timm stuff? Did he actually say that or are you just making another huge assumption in favor of a character you like due to excessive fanboyism? I really hope you're not falling into that bad habit of putting words in people's mouths again. I'd love to see a source for this.

I'm a fanboy? I'll take that statement into consideration if I hear it form a credible source. I recognize that he's also replaceable, something that most of the Hal fanboys on here don't want to acknowledge for their boy. I don't get pissed & resort to name calling when people say negative stuff about John either. I'm a pretty reasonable fan. I realize these aren't matters of life & death and that these characters are not my family members.

I don't see Hal as likeable at all. He was just bland back in the day, now he's an *******.

I've seen John as the lead on JL episodes & I liked him in the GLC books I've read. People liked the DCAU's take on GL. That's what matters to me. I don't really care a whole lot about Sinestro & I care even less for Star Sapphire. It was acceptable to people that aren't GL comics readers and many who are, so it worked.

You're saying Hal's the clear choice because you like him. That's what it boils down to. I didn't see Hal as having any potential for mainstream success before his film was announced & nothing that's happened since has changed that. I expect him to fail again if they use him again. He's been promoted far above the others for over 50 years & the GL brand still means very little to the GA. If Hal was meant to have crossover success I think it would have happened by now. Not all characters are cut out for mainstream appeal. Hal just ain't built for it.

 

[Guts]

If they're not going to use Hal Jordan for another live action Green Lantern, then I would want Kyle Rayner.

 

[Rorschach2012]

lol. I talk about the GA because their support is crucial for success. Not yours or mine. That's a fact & there's no way around it. If you don't please the GA, a big budget movie will fail, just like Hal's film. These films are all adaptions. Changes are made. They're never 100% comic accurate. I'd rather not talk about Marvel here, but they've found a good balance that pleases the GA & enough of the comics fans to make a profit. That's what studios are going for. The DC films that were successful made changes too. Hal's film did NOT please the GA and it was a mistake to release it to the public. Johns was involved & it was a piece of ****.

You got a source for that Bruce Timm stuff? Did he actually say that or are you just making another huge assumption in favor of a character you like due to excessive fanboyism? I really hope you're not falling into that bad habit of putting words in people's mouths again. I'd love to see a source for this.

I'm a fanboy? I'll take that statement into consideration if I hear it form a credible source. I recognize that he's also replaceable, something that most of the Hal fanboys on here don't want to acknowledge for their boy. I don't get pissed & resort to name calling when people say negative stuff about John either. I'm a pretty reasonable fan. I realize these aren't matters of life & death and that these characters are not my family members.

I don't see Hal as likeable at all. He was just bland back in the day, now he's an *******.

I've seen John as the lead on JL episodes & I liked him in the GLC books I've read. People liked the DCAU's take on GL. That's what matters to me. I don't really care a whole lot about Sinestro & I care even less for Star Sapphire. It was acceptable to people that aren't GL comics readers and many who are, so it worked.

You're saying Hal's the clear choice because you like him. That's what it boils down to. I didn't see Hal as having any potential for mainstream success before his film was announced & nothing that's happened since has changed that. I expect him to fail again if they use him again. He's been promoted far above the others for over 50 years & the GL brand still means very little to the GA. If Hal was meant to have crossover success I think it would have happened by now. Not all characters are cut out for mainstream appeal. Hal just ain't built for it.

all i take from this is that you and i are on very different levels of fandom, you don't really care for Sinestro or Star Sapphire.. how am i supposed to take you seriously as a fan of Green Lantern if you don't care for Sinestro? AKA the supreme Green Lantern villain. I'm sorry but i have to disregard your opinion completely, your ideas and opinions on Green Lantern are just so wrong to me.

The next Green Lantern movie should so obviously be a Sinestro vs Green Lanterns story. That's THE reason to do another GL movie. To see the Sinestro/GL conflict on screen.

I can't help but feel like you don't know what you're talking about, i think you just really want to hate Hal Jordan. I don't hate John Stewart, i think he should be in the movies as a supporting character but as a lead... to want that, it just shows a lack of understanding of the Green Lantern mythology.

I am completely unbiased. I was a kid when JL TAS was on, and John got me into the character, but once i checked out GL beyond that show, i realized that Hal is the Green Lantern. In time, i realized that Green Lantern on JL TAS was a very flawed take on the GL mythology. They missed out on a lot of opportunities by not using Hal Jordan on that show. But you don't see that, because you don't value the Sinestro/GL conflict.

I've mentioned before that Hal/Sinestro are the Bruce/Joker or Clark/Lex of the Green Lantern universe. To not care for Sinestro and Hal again shows a severe lack of understanding of the Green Lantern mythology.

 

[brainchild81]

Lol. I'm not concerned in the slightest about your rating of my fandom. I never claimed to be a huge fan of the mythos. My first exposure to it was through Hal, that's why I grew up not caring about GL at all. I think Hal gives a lame first impression to the mythos and it may explain to an extent why GL never really went big time like DC wants it to. I think not being hardcore into GL the way you are makes my opinion much closer to what the GA would like. I think you can't see the big picture or what's best for business because you're too close to it.

I don't want to hate Hal. You think this way because I have negative opinions on a character that you feel very strongly about. I'd rather just not see him used anymore. If I didn't feel like DC was forcing him on us at the expense of Lanterns I like more that would have a better chance if catching on with the GA, I could go back to just having total apathy for him.

Lmfao. You're not even close to being unbiased. Didn't you even say it's as if DC conditions people to like Hal more or something like that? You're just a victim of the conditioning. Look at the crazy absolute statements you make. If someone wants something different than what you do, they obviously don't understand the mythos enough? That is the height of biased fanboy talk. If you've got any friends that aren't Hal fanboys like you are, have them read some of the stuff you post
and tell you how you sound.

Hal makes Hal/Sinestro unappealing to me. That relationship will NEVER be a Bruce/Joker or Clark/Lex to the world at large because Hal just isn't up to par as a hero. I'd much rather see any of the other GLs/Sinestro. Hal's actually been holding back Sinestro all these years.

You didn't answer my question about Bruce Timm. Please do.

 

[Batmannerism]

I'm going to weigh in and say.............all of them !

I think the next GL outing should be either as a TV show or a movie that focuses on the GL corps as a group, with a special emphasis on the 4 lanterns from Earth, Stewart, Gardner, Rayner and of course Jordan.
True, Jordan's first film appearance was lame, but with some deft recasting (Karl Urban) a good director (Guillermo del toro can you hear me ? ) and a strong supporting cast ( Idris Elba as John Stewart, John C. Reilly as Guy Gardner, and ..........well somebody as Kyle) it could work people !


Rather than a solo flight film, I think GL corps has the most potential when portrayed as a team. Sinestro corps war was one of the best GL stories of all time.

Just my opinion though. Cheers

 

[Rorschach2012]

Lol. I'm not concerned in the slightest about your rating of my fandom. I never claimed to be a huge fan of the mythos. My first exposure to it was through Hal, that's why I grew up not caring about GL at all. I think Hal gives a lame first impression to the mythos and it may explain to an extent why GL never really went big time like DC wants it to. I think not being hardcore into GL the way you are makes my opinion much closer to what the GA would like. I think you can't see the big picture or what's best for business because you're too close to it.

I don't want to hate Hal. You think this way because I have negative opinions on a character that you feel very strongly about. I'd rather just not see him used anymore. If I didn't feel like DC was forcing him on us at the expense of Lanterns I like more that would have a better chance if catching on with the GA, I could go back to just having total apathy for him.

Lmfao. You're not even close to being unbiased. Didn't you even say it's as if DC conditions people to like Hal more or something like that? You're just a victim of the conditioning. Look at the crazy absolute statements you make. If someone wants something different than what you do, they obviously don't understand the mythos enough? That is the height of biased fanboy talk. If you've got any friends that aren't Hal fanboys like you are, have them read some of the stuff you post
and tell you how you sound.

Hal makes Hal/Sinestro unappealing to me. That relationship will NEVER be a Bruce/Joker or Clark/Lex to the world at large because Hal just isn't up to par as a hero. I'd much rather see any of the other GLs/Sinestro. Hal's actually been holding back Sinestro all these years.

You didn't answer my question about Bruce Timm. Please do.

I come here to discuss Green Lantern with fans. You're a virtual noob that gets visibly pissed and heated about something you're just really not familiar with. If i wanted to discuss Green Lantern with uninformed casual fans like yourself, i would initiate discussions elsewhere, in a setting completely unlike this one. This place exists for real fans to discuss things that they actually know about.

Bruce Timm hasn't worked on John Stewart since the animated series, and Timm was one of the creators of GL TAS. Why would Timm work so heavily on GL TAS if he thought that John Stewart would work better as the lead...? It seems like that would be a waste of his time. You need to accept that John Stewart is always meant to be a supporting character. The main reason John was used on JL TAS was because they needed to diversify the team. That may be disappointing to you but it's the truth. Hal just works better as the lead character.

Get informed on the topic that you're arguing so hard about. You sound pretty damn ignorant. I find it next to impossible to believe that someone would EVER prefer a side character like John Stewart when they have read and watched the same things as me.

Your opinion should be completely disregarded now that we've established that you're not even really a fan of the mythology. A Green Lantern fan that doesn't appreciate Sinestro is not a GL fan, I'm glad that you've accepted that. I will never be able to take your GL opinion seriously. You don't like Sinestro. Damn. The Green Lantern universe is ****ing lost on you man.

If you don't really care about GL that much then why do you spend so much of your time talking **** on Hal (a character that you are clearly not familiar with)

I've said it a million times, JL TAS is a flawed ass take on the GL mythos. That's all you ever cite. That interpretation and some random comics where John Stewart doesn't do anything that would ever warrant a movie adaptation.

Your opinion is your opinion. But your opinion is completely wrong.

John Stewart is a side character bro. Always has been. The dude is meant to be a supporting character. He was never meant to be the lead character.

But I'm arguing with someone who doesn't even understand Sinestro's importance. So this is utterly, utterly futile.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

While Hal has a lot of great source material, I think his surface level appeal is tricky to get right.

Instead of just making him your generic good-looking but sometimes funny action-lead, they need to really capture the classic American alpha-male fighter-pilot with a ton of bravado who's already every kid's hero, which is tricky, because that doesn't really exist anymore. But I think that's the core appeal: A classic heroic personality to fit with a classic superhero concept. Obviously Hal has more depth than that, but I think that needs to be clear on the surface. It's a hair's difference away from being your generic modern lead.

With John, I just think the whole military/architect duality meshes so well with the GL concept and the idea of the Corps (not to mention giving a bit more relevance to having the word Green in the title), and it makes the whole package more...digestible, or something. I think it makes the GL(C) property's raison d'être a bit clearer: the superhero property about soldiers. The story about a guy who left the army, only to be chosen for another. Instead of the story about a green superhero guy and space.

I still think they should have both though (actually 3, with Guy in a supporting role, ala Bones to Kirk/Spock). But if I was WB, I'd probably go with John in the first JL movie because I think he'd more easily get people on board with the GL property initially. If we got Hal in the JL, I wouldn't complain though, as long as he's done right. I'm still not sure we're getting a GL at all... (perhaps Hal in the CWverse)

 

[Rorschach2012]

While Hal has a lot of great source material, I think his surface level appeal is tricky to get right.

Instead of just making him your generic good-looking but sometimes funny action-lead, they need to really capture the classic American alpha-male fighter-pilot with a ton of bravado who's already every kid's hero, which is tricky, because that doesn't really exist anymore. But I think that's the core appeal: A classic heroic personality to fit with a classic superhero concept. Obviously Hal has more depth than that, but I think that needs to be clear on the surface. It's a hair's difference away from being generic.

With John, I just think the whole military/architect duality meshes so well with the GL concept, the idea of the Corps (not to mention giving a bit more relevance to having the word Green in the title), and makes the whole package more...digestible, or something. I think it makes the GL(C) property's raison d'être a bit clearer: the superhero story about soldiers. The story about a guy who left the army, only to be chosen for another. Instead of the story about a green superhero guy and space.

But I still think they should have both though (actually 3, with Guy in a supporting role, ala Bones to Kirk/Spock).

The source material is crucial though. A Hal Jordan movie series writes itself. John Stewart... wtf has he done? Nothing . What arc would you base a movie on? There is none.

Hal Jordan is Han Solo/Kirk with a power ring. That's ****ing awesome and so much cooler than the generic military type. John just has less of a personality.

You need the Sinestro conflict. If they give John Hal's relationship with Sinestro, that could work.

But like I said before, the only way a supporting character like John works as the lead is if they combine him with Hal Jordan. It's pretty telling that he has to be combined with another character in order for a John GL movie series to be successful.



I can't believe people want John to lead the movies. SMH. What would you base a John GL movie series on?

No ideas? i thought so...

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Well that's why I said use both characters in a GL movie.

(though really, if they wanted to, they could just take Hal's source material and give it to John. Kitty's material was given to Wolverine in DOFP after all. Stark is creating Ultron, etc).