First Avenger which Invaders do you want for First Avenger Captain America?

[OB12]

Personally, I do think Cap would lose something if a super strong merman and a combustible android were running around. I think it makes more sense if Cap is the first superhuman, he is a breakthrough in science and technology. What exactly is so great about Cap when a new race of people (Atlanteans) have just revealed themselves to the public or when scientists are able to completely synthesize a humanoid (which I think is a ridiculous idea for the 1940s anyway)?

 

[roach]

1) its Caps movie so he is the focus
2) Put Namor in the movie as a stepping stine tohis own flick
3)Actual it would make sense if they got the idea to make a super soldier from seeing another superhuman
4)Its not our 1940s but the MCU 1940s...where they developed the SSS, an indestructable shield...ect ect

 

[OB12]

1) its Caps movie so he is the focus
2) Put Namor in the movie as a stepping stine tohis own flick
3)Actual it would make sense if they got the idea to make a super soldier from seeing another superhuman
4)Its not our 1940s but the MCU 1940s...where they developed the SSS, an indestructable shield...ect ect

Sure Cap should be the focus, but why in the world would soldiers be in awe of Cap and the things he does if a super strong Atlantean and a flying flameable android are fighting along side him. Cap would seem much less impressive. Getting the idea to create Cap from other superhumans really diminishes his importance. Cap should be the trendsetter not the copycat.

I'm all for getting Namor out there and starting his own franchise, but I really don't think this is the place for his introduction. Ideally, he would be introduced in a F4 movie, but they are at Fox.

Narritively speaking, and taking into account this movie is fitting into a larger universe, the advent of a synthesized humanoid that can control fire in the 1940s means that the technology was there to create something like that. Not only does it take something away from Cap but it really makes the creation of Iron Man 60+ years later far less impressive. Including the Android Torch not only is confusing to the GA but has the potential to make this movie pretty silly.

 

[roach]

Sure Cap should be the focus, but why in the world would soldiers be in awe of Cap and the things he does if a super strong Atlantean and a flying flameable android are fighting along side him. Cap would seem much less impressive. Getting the idea to create Cap from other superhumans really diminishes his importance. Cap should be the trendsetter not the copycat.

Why should Cap be the trendsetter??? Even in comics he wasnt the first. Perhaps they dont trust Namor because he attacked the surface world a few years ago and the android unnerves people. Just because people see Tom Cruise doesnt mean they arent going to be in awe when they see Johnny Depp

I'm all for getting Namor out there and starting his own franchise, but I really don't think this is the place for his introduction. Ideally, he would be introduced in a F4 movie, but they are at Fox.

Namor was delt to another company to jumpstart a Namor film..I am not sure if he is at Fox of if Marvel has the rights back...I'd rather see Namor part of the MCU than another crappy FF movie

Narritively speaking, and taking into account this movie is fitting into a larger universe, the advent of a synthesized humanoid that can control fire in the 1940s means that the technology was there to create something like that. Not only does it take something away from Cap but it really makes the creation of Iron Man 60+ years later far less impressive. Including the Android Torch not only is confusing to the GA but has the potential to make this movie pretty silly.

Marvel 1940s technology is pretty advanced. They managed to create a SSS that is more sucessful than modern attempts...created an indestructable shield that no one in modern Marvel can duplicate....and seriously if he is going to be overwelmed by other heroes then whats going to happen in Avengers.

 

[OB12]

^^ I just think that the inclusion of Namor and Torch is needlessly complicated and goofy and really brings nothing to the Cap story and will more than likely take away from it. I mean really, why would Namor even want to be involved in WW2? Why would an Atlantean have a dog in this fight? You either eat up screen time introducing Atlantis and why they even care about Nazis or you just have this merman pop up on screen.

I agree that I would like Namor to be involved in the MCU but, like I said he would ideally be introduced during a F4 movie. However, since they are not Marvel, maybe introduce him after Avengers. He just doesn't fit well in this movie.

Torch is an even more ridiculous character to have flying around during WW2. Just because Marvel science in the 40s can create a SSS and an indestructable shield, it is quite another story to create artificial intelligence or synthesize human life. That goes too far beyond the realm of suspension of disbelief. If they could create AI in 1940, Tony Stark's ability to create a mechanized battle armor is very anticlimactic.

 

[roach]

^^ I just think that the inclusion of Namor and Torch is needlessly complicated and goofy and really brings nothing to the Cap story and will more than likely take away from it. I mean really, why would Namor even want to be involved in WW2? Why would an Atlantean have a dog in this fight? You either eat up screen time introducing Atlantis and why they even care about Nazis or you just have this merman pop up on screen.

Cause he fought in WW2 in the comics and they seem to be including a lot of the WW2 characters in this movie

I agree that I would like Namor to be involved in the MCU but, like I said he would ideally be introduced during a F4 movie. However, since they are not Marvel, maybe introduce him after Avengers. He just doesn't fit well in this movie.
How do you know he doesnt fit well into the movie have you seen it?

Torch is an even more ridiculous character to have flying around during WW2. Just because Marvel science in the 40s can create a SSS and an indestructable shield, it is quite another story to create artificial intelligence or synthesize human life. That goes too far beyond the realm of suspension of disbelief. If they could create AI in 1940, Tony Stark's ability to create a mechanized battle armor is very anticlimactic.

Did the fact that Tony had a AI house undermind his ability to create a mechanized battle armor....or AI arms???

 

[OB12]

It is far more believable to have a group of highly trained special operatives from different countries of the Allied powers comprise the Invaders. These guys can still do some pretty cool stuff but Cap is head and shoulders above these guys in terms of skill level. I would make the team something like:

UK - Union Jack (Jason Statham) - covert spy, small arms expert
US - Bucky (Sebastian Stan) - sniper, assassin
Mexico - Torro (unknown) - explosives, pyrotechnics
France - Perrigrine (Jean-Claude Van Damme) - paratrooper, savate expert

I took a little liberty with Perrigrine as he really wasn't an Invader, but it seems like France should be represented and I wouldn't mind seeing JCVD in a supporting role like this.

 

[OB12]

Just because Namor fought in WW2 in the comics doesn't mean that it would translate well on a movie screen. There has to be some reason that he is there, why does he give a damn about WW2? All of the sudden Namor just jumps out of the water and starts bashing Nazis? Come on. It is silly.

The fact that Tony has AI doesn't take away from his armor because he created JARVIS during the same era. It is a little different from an android that was created 60 years prior.

 

[Majik1387]

Namor could possibly hate U-Boats that are infesting his home, and then he gets involved.

There.

 

[roach]

To me I look at that team and I wonder what they bring to the table that Cap cant do?
It reminds me of that scene in TIH where Blonsky is out pacing the soldiers running at the Hulk and then stopping and everyone is out of breath. I just dont see the purpose of using the name Invaders if you arent going to use the actual Invaders. That would be like going to see a film called FF and it doesnt have any of the recognizable characters in it.
Use the Invaders as a powered team and precursor to the Avengers

 

[Majik1387]

Cap can't be everywhere at once, and he's still part of the USArmy. There may be a need for superpowers in more than one place at a time, so they get help from the Invaders.

I don't see why so many of you are lacking imagination.

 

[roach]

Just because Namor fought in WW2 in the comics doesn't mean that it would translate well on a movie screen. There has to be some reason that he is there, why does he give a damn about WW2? All of the sudden Namor just jumps out of the water and starts bashing Nazis? Come on. It is silly.

The fact that Tony has AI doesn't take away from his armor because he created JARVIS during the same era. It is a little different from an android that was created 60 years prior.

its not Namor's movie.....you want to know why he is fighting in WW2 then wait for his film.
Cap gets his costume and they introduce him the the Invaders

 

[OB12]

That seems like a really weak reason to get involved in a war, but for the sake of argument lets say that is it or some variation of that. The movie would have to spend about 10 minutes of screen time to show Atlantis, explain who these people are, and why they are angered by this perceived disrespect. For a movie that is trying to cover a lot of ground, this seems like a waste of time on a character that does nothing to enhance the Cap movie other than to be a cameo.

 

[roach]

Cap can't be everywhere at once, and he's still part of the USArmy. There may be a need for superpowers in more than one place at a time, so they get help from the Invaders.

I don't see why so many of you are lacking imagination.

its the TDK effect where everything has to be hyper real...in a movie about a super soldier that has an indestructable shield he throws like a frisbee

 

[Majik1387]

its not Namor's movie.....you want to know why he is fighting in WW2 then wait for his film.
Cap gets his costume and they introduce him the the Invaders

Exactly

That seems like a really weak reason to get involved in a war, but for the sake of argument lets say that is it or some variation of that. The movie would have to spend about 10 minutes of screen time to show Atlantis, explain who these people are, and why they are angered by this perceived disrespect. For a movie that is trying to cover a lot of ground, this seems like a waste of time on a character that does nothing to enhance the Cap movie other than to be a cameo.

No they wouldn't. A simple reference to reasonings for joining the war effort is enough. Not everything has to be spelled out and shown in graphic detail for SUPPORTING characters.

 

[Majik1387]

its the TDK effect where everything has to be hyper real...in a movie about a super soldier that has an indestructable shield he throws like a frisbee

But even then it makes no sense to me. I like TDK as much as the decent average fanboy, but I don't praise it.

 

[roach]

That seems like a really weak reason to get involved in a war, but for the sake of argument lets say that is it or some variation of that. The movie would have to spend about 10 minutes of screen time to show Atlantis, explain who these people are, and why they are angered by this perceived disrespect. For a movie that is trying to cover a lot of ground, this seems like a waste of time on a character that does nothing to enhance the Cap movie other than to be a cameo.

no they do not. Its a cameo.
Did they go into Fury's backstory in Iron Man???
Did they explain the eye patch???

WW2 became the first major conflict that took place at sea...Why would Namor get involved

 

[roach]

and any amount of backstory for Namor or HT would be the same for Union Jack....but there isnt going to be an elaborate USO excuse for the union jack costume

 

[afan]

It's not about whether they would fit in the "universe" of this film.....

This is Cap's film, it must define him, completely, so that The Avengers can get down to serious business. There simply is no room in two hours to explain characters such as the Sub-Mariner and Torch without sacrificing the focus on Rogers/Captain America.

 

[OB12]

Fury was after credits, so the comparison really isn't valid, that and comparing Fury, the director of an organization that was mentioned in the main part of the movie to a merman that rules a race of people dewelling beneath the world's oceans is quite a stretch. You would definitely need some exposition there. You are getting into XO:W territory with just wanting him there to be there. He doesn't further the story at all.

 

[OB12]

What backstory do you need on Union Jack? He is British special ops doing missions during a war that Britain is involved in. It really is that simple for him.

 

[Majik1387]

Namor doesn't hinder the story either.

 

[OB12]

It is wishful thinking to believe that they are going to have Namor pop out of the water at a crucial moment to destroy a Nazi ship, just so that they can say he was in there. There would need to be some sort of setup, something explaining Atlantis. Doing this would take the focus off of Cap and not doing it would make for some silly moviemaking. Marvel is making this movie, not Fox.

Saying all of that, I am not against Namor and I would be interested in seeing him make his film debut, but Cap is just not the place for it. He would take away from Cap if explained fully and would be an odd cameo if he wasn't. Just save him for a debut during modern day.

 

[roach]

It's not about whether they would fit in the "universe" of this film.....

This is Cap's film, it must define him, completely, so that The Avengers can get down to serious business. There simply is no room in two hours to explain characters such as the Sub-Mariner and Torch without sacrificing the focus on Rogers/Captain America.

General:"Rogers let me introduce you to your squad. This is Codename Submariner...not much is known about him...he's not very talkative."
Rogers:"Hello."
*Submariner arms crossed looks Captain America up and down. A look of contempt crosses his face.
General:"okay...and this is Howard Stark's other invention that is helping us out...The Human Torch."
Torch:"You'll have to forgive Namor...he is wary of humans."


Bam there you go..no need to show atlantis...or show someone putting the human torch together

 

[roach]

It is wishful thinking to believe that they are going to have Namor pop out of the water at a crucial moment to destroy a Nazi ship, just so that they can say he was in there. There would need to be some sort of setup, something explaining Atlantis. Doing this would take the focus off of Cap and not doing it would make for some silly moviemaking. Marvel is making this movie, not Fox.

Saying all of that, I am not against Namor and I would be interested in seeing him make his film debut, but Cap is just not the place for it. He would take away from Cap if explained fully and would be an odd cameo if he wasn't. Just save him for a debut during modern day.

yeah as a deus ex machina anyone is going to be odd.
They dont have to introduce Atlantis. This is the Invaders..just a few words about him will suffice