riginally Posted by me(Son of W, aka Wiggles the Wallabe),
My point here was that Goku has far more exploitable weaknesses then the Silver Surfer. And as someone has already pointed out, Karnak trying to fight the Hulk by finding a weakpoint is like trying to break a brickwall with your barehands (Thanks Mistress ). And yes I'm going to say he has a jugular vein, he's got the same anatomy as a regular everyday person, why wouldn't he have ajugular vein? And where does Superman even come into this?
So you're saying that Hulk is more durable than the surfer then? Because Karnak knocked surfers ass out (I consider that god awful writing by the way). Goku is saiyan, just because he looks human on the outside doesn't mean he's the same on the inside. My point about superman is a similar injury could probably kill him that doesn't suddenly make him a light weight in the durability department
Although I don't remember either example you've presented about Goku or Saiyaman, seeing as how it's been so many years since I read either the Manga or watched the Anime, I'll give it to you. Pushing a mountain isn't that impressive though, Hulk does it on a regular basis. And being able to support yourself on different gravities means nothing. Surfer travels from planets to planets, into the Hearts of Suns. He can create miniture black holes for cripes sakes! Why would he be impressed by Vegeta standing on 450x gravity?
You are missing the point you were saying that guys who can live 90 tons were beyond Goku, I merely proved otherwise
GT is as often considered out of canon as it is in canon, but i'll still give it to you because I stand inbetween myself.
[B[ I know Gt isn't canon I've mentioned that myself, but its still a version of Goku. As I have said before depending on which version you take Gokus power and abilities change[/B]
Stop using stories out of canon! I don't care about Broly at all. He's a cool character but nothing he did, nothing he does, and nothing he may very well ever do again is important. He's out of canon. It'd be like me taking that newly posted pic by Dacman and using it as proof that Hulk could beat Superman. And 2) Goku had to get energy from all the other Z-fighters to make said punch, and 3) Broly didn't even die, he survived and almost killed Goku's kids for it later, if we were even going to use him as an example 4) Force feilds can be created to protect yourself from exploding planets, DBZ wasn't the first example to present this idea and 5) the Surfer HAS SURVIVED AN EXPLODING SUN! Far more impressive then an exploding planet. Which Goku hasn't survived an exploding Planet by the way, he actually is very fearful of exploding planets, seeing how he runs for it when Kid Buu blows apart Earth
NO I'm no talking about Brolli, I never even mentioned his name!
Supreme kai (you know the GODS of the dragonball verse) stated that he and the other Kai were powerful enough to defeat Freiza with One blow. A half dead frieza could survive planet namek exploding at ground zero. The guy was almost dead and survived, yet one blow from a Kai who are less powerful than Cell can kill him. Goku was scared of BUUS attack not the planet exploding. Freiza even knew that Goku wouldn't die as a result from namek exploding. After all he told him they would both survive but Goku would die from a lack of oxygen not from the blast. Freiza TWICE tried to blow up a planet whilst he was still standing on it (against Goku then later on against Trunks). Why would he even do that if he wouldn't survive (which we all know he would since he already had done so)? Trunks beat freiza with his sword, yet Goku blocked that very same sword using his index finger. He can survive a planet exploding
And as far as Midnight Sun, was DEFEATED BY SS, he didn't knock him out. Down, possible, out, NO. Unless you show me proof. And besides that fact, Midnight Sun was in a new cloned Body with all sorts of post-human abilities. PLus, even DBZ is subject to bad writing, look at DBGT.
Where did I say that Midnight Sun beat him? Nope never did. Where did I say he knocked him out? Nope never did. Infact I said that Surfer was not hurt by Midnight Sun. I Merely stated that he couldn't handle his fighting skills. Yes I know he was in a super human body. I never said he just a human with flight disks on his feet. Yes I know GT had bad writing, hell most of it is plain awful
People have already pointed out all the flaws you have hear in your arguements about Midnight Sun..
