Who else thinks??????

[MJOILNIR]

That Thor has seldom ever been written to his true potential? At times he has been shown with unbelievable power, other times I have seen him written.........well just badly. He's rarely ever used the full range of his power Maybe they dont think King Thor has a place in the marvel universe either Ive been reading him a long time and I just think marvel has missed out on the true potential of a great character.

 

[SonOfCthulhu]

Simonson's run was pretty good. It was very true to the flavor of the Norse myths.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Simonson's Thor was one of the least consistent, ironically. Losing to Beta Ray Bill because of a volcano's heat one minute (even though Thor had already been in and out of the sun without problems before), demolishing the Midgard Serpent in open combat the next.

I agree, Thor has rarely ever used the full force of his powers on anyone. He tends to switch between different modes. There's thunderer mode, where he uses pretty much the weather and nothing else. There's bruiser mode (seen most often when he fights the likes of the Hulk and the Juggernaut) where he forgets about Mjolnir's versatility and hammers away at his opponents with brute force only. There's cosmic mode, where he uses Mjolnir to manipulate energy with the best of 'em. There's magic mode where he uses Mjolnir's magical abilities to defeat sorcerers and the like. Rarely do those modes ever intersect, giving us a complete Thor who's as good a fighter as his millennia's worth of experience should make him, as smart as his years as Don Blake should make him, as great a leader as basically Asgard's finest warrior/general and royal grooming should make him, as powerful and versatile as Mjolnir and his mastery over all aspects of the weather should make him, and as strong and tough as a guy who's traded blows with the Hulk and withstood nuclear blasts and everything Ego could throw at him should make him all at once. That's not even getting into the King Thor extras, which basically make him a top-tier sorcerer on top of all of that.

 

[PhotoJones]

busiek has a good handle on thor. i always thought he wrote him as the god that he is.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I've always thought that Busiek wrote one of--if not the absolute--weakest, most watered-down, pathetic versions of Thor ever. Honestly, it was almost painful to read some of his Avengers issues with Thor in them. I was overjoyed every issue that Thor wasn't on the team to be butchered by his pen.

That said, I think Busiek is one of the best writers in the industry and I've loved almost everything I've read from him. His Conan was brilliant, Arrowsmith is a beautiful story, his Avengers run (for all the Avengers other than Thor) is the definitive portrayal of the Avengers as a team, and Marvels is one of the first stories I'd recommend to anyone looking to get into Marvel's comics. His inability to make Thor anything more than a weak little ***** is his one, tragic failing.

 

[The Question]

Well, Busiek did pen the infamous line:



"Ultron, we would have words with thee."



That's got to have some redeeming value right there.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm not talking about his portrayal of Thor's character. He wrote Thor as a character quite well. I'm talking about the fact that he wrote Thor's powers at a fraction of the level they were portrayed at in his own book. Thor struggled against guys he should've easily taken down in Avengers.

 

[The Question]

Oh. Yeah. Good point there. My memory's a bit lacking here. What are some examples of him getting owned by people who should have been on the receiving end of said ownage?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'll have to look through my Avengers comics when I get home in an hour. I can recall off the top of my head that Thor never really did anything impressive during his tenure on Busiek's Avengers. Certainly nothing as impressive as he did during the same period in his own comic under Jurgens, at least.

 

[herakles]

I agree with corpulent on his opinions.

I hope when he comes back that he is utilized to show how powerful he can be when using the full range of his abilities and not just written as some "strong dude with a hammer"!

I did like Omeing's brief run.

 

[MJOILNIR]

I thought some of you guys would agree. One minute he's breaking a celestials armor or besting galactus then having problems with the likes of absorbing man the next(a man made of Uru would be tough though). I truly love reading Thor titles though. Broke out some old journey in to mystery tonight along the blood and thunder series to re-read. I really hope he comes back and soon.

 

[Kotagg]

You have to keep in mind the scope of the story though, my friends. If he is at his utmost on a consistent basis, do you realize how boring many of the stoires would be?

You want him to be at full god-like power? That's awesome, but if that's the case he shouldn't be on the Avengers. He should be in his own comic fighting mythological beings.

Otherwise, the baddie comes over and Iron Man, Cap and the rest watch while Thor handles the guy in ten seconds. That's a boring comic if I've ever seen one.

 

[MJOILNIR]

You want him to be at full god-like power? That's awesome, but if that's the case he shouldn't be on the Avengers. He should be in his own comic fighting mythological beings.

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Yep Thats just the way I would like to see him Now thats coming from someone who likes the mythological side of Thor anyway. I first read of Thor battling the midgard serpent and frost giants, not dr.doom. Riding his chariot drawn by tanngrisner and tanngnjostr, wearing megingjord and his iron gloves to hold the scalding hot hammer mjoilnir

 

[Purple Man]

I think one of his most accurate potrayals was against the Juggernaut.

Not one of his most accurate potrayals actually, both times he fought Juggernaut he used a good combination of brute strength and magic.

Like when he used his hammers magic to circle the battleground and somehow negate the Juggernauts invulnerability so he could smack Cain around for a minute until his hammer returned to him. Or calling down lightning, using the god force or teleporting his bound foe away. Also, I like him tangling Juggies wrist with his hammers thong, and throwing him out into space, where it would eventually turn back into a walking stick and return to Thor.

Good stuff.

Sometimes Thor has to be watered down so he doesn't take out the menace of the month in one swing of his hammer. Like why the Sentry will only sparingly show up in New Avengers.

 

[Kotagg]

See but with Sentry there is a good reason, and this is why I like him - for all his power of thousand suns, he is human. His power is directly dictated by his confidence in himself.

With Thor, there's no reasnoning behind most of his power flux.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Thor. Just pointing things out.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't mind if Thor ditched the Avengers completely and stuck to his own foes, who are more in line with his power level. But I don't think that's necessary. The Avengers have enough enemies with guys who can hold their own against Thor. Count Nefaria, for one. The Thunderbolts, if they end up fighting them again, have the Radiation Man and, depending on where his power level's at now, Atlas. Kang could spirit Thor's hammer away with time trickery, leaving Thor at only a fraction of his full power. Then, of course, there are the cosmic threats, which Thor should be right at home with. There are a lot of ways to make Thor fit on the Avengers without depowering him.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I think, therefore I am.

 

[Anubis]

But if all you think about is hardcore XXX porn, then that just makes you a pervert.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

Where would all our favourite characters be if they were always written to true potential????

power variations make things interesting because we as viewers can try and attribute reasoning towards such actions and that's what i find to be one of the most interesting things about these comics/fiction.


60% of all the conversations on here would be gone if everyone always was at their best because there would be no need for discussion, all the vs threads would be clear cut and bad guys would either always win all always lose making stories kinda boring.

 

[ampersand]

I think

 

[MJOILNIR]

I like Thor much better in his own titles myself. Im not saying he should trounce every oppenent. I just like to see him at his best with characters who test him at his best, like Kurse for example.

 

[bkhedr]

Simonson's Thor was one of the least consistent, ironically. Losing to Beta Ray Bill because of a volcano's heat one minute (even though Thor had already been in and out of the sun without problems before), demolishing the Midgard Serpent in open combat the next.

I agree, Thor has rarely ever used the full force of his powers on anyone. He tends to switch between different modes. There's thunderer mode, where he uses pretty much the weather and nothing else. There's bruiser mode (seen most often when he fights the likes of the Hulk and the Juggernaut) where he forgets about Mjolnir's versatility and hammers away at his opponents with brute force only. There's cosmic mode, where he uses Mjolnir to manipulate energy with the best of 'em. There's magic mode where he uses Mjolnir's magical abilities to defeat sorcerers and the like. Rarely do those modes ever intersect, giving us a complete Thor who's as good a fighter as his millennia's worth of experience should make him, as smart as his years as Don Blake should make him, as great a leader as basically Asgard's finest warrior/general and royal grooming should make him, as powerful and versatile as Mjolnir and his mastery over all aspects of the weather should make him, and as strong and tough as a guy who's traded blows with the Hulk and withstood nuclear blasts and everything Ego could throw at him should make him all at once. That's not even getting into the King Thor extras, which basically make him a top-tier sorcerer on top of all of that.

Completely agree with you on all of this, but i didnt mind Busiek's Thor. He had to be written that way to fit within the cofines of the team comcept. I imagine one day when the Sentry has rabid fanboys, they will complete about how weak he was portrayed in the New Avengers

One question, do you guys put Ultron on that list of foes who can go toe to toe with Thor?

 

[bkhedr]

Now that I think about it, couldnt Thor just use Mjolnir to drain the ionic energy out of Nefaria?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

One question, do you guys put Ultron on that list of foes who can go toe to toe with Thor?

With an adamantium body, yes. Thor can't destroy adamantium unless he really, really pushes himself.

 

[MJOILNIR]

Kurse I would say is one of Thors more powerful foes. He isnt used very much but he's a bad ass. His strength is suppose to be twice that of Thors I would actually like to see Kurse used in some main stream comics as a villian. When Thor returns at what power level do you think he will be at? Im afraid they wont like the idea of King Thor in mainstream marvel. Ill admit he's probably to powerful for that.