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Who here besides me thinks this is going to suck?

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I'm a fan of the 90's cartoon and while some storylines didn't work (should've kept GG dead and not have him go through some wormhole or endless limbo) others were perfect (I could name a list of them.)

This new show however looks once again aimed at the little tots. By season 3, "The Batman" actually started getting good but it's still far from what "BTAS" was---adult-oriented and probably the best adaptation of Batman since "BB."

I hate the look of the characters. They seem Playskoolish as if they hired a 10 year-old to come in and draw Spider-Man characters all day. I thought this show was going to be based off of the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. When did all of sudden they changed course and said, "Let's make a different Spider-Man show."

The second thing I hate is they're actually calling it "The Spectacular Spider-Man" and they're giving him webbing underneath his arms. I ALWAYS hated the webbing because Spidey didn't need it if he could swing, glide, swoop, somersault, etc. in mid-air while shooting webs.

The third and final thing is, it seems to be when Marvel ever attempts to bring back old cartoons it seems to fall flat. Don't get me wrong I liked "X-Men Evolution" but it wasn't the 90's show, "FF4" got a new anime-look but it still didn't do much, and now we're getting a new Spider-Man show which to me it seems Marvel is doing as a cop-out so kids, adults, and fans can hold on till the 4th movie EVER comes out.

Least "Wolverine & the X-Men" looks like it'll be a prayer answered.
 
The show is meant to be like the Lee/Ditko and Lee/Romita Sr. days. That is one of the things that will most likley make this show great and the art Awesome, It's just the way Cheeks draws. As for the webs, he had them when he first appeared. They defenitley looked great on him.
 
Although, Lee/Ditko/Romita/Conway/Kane/Andru never had Venom.
I don't want Venom in it till the end of season 2 or sometime in season 3, season 1 is way too early for a Venom story.
 
I can see why you might be worried. The only advice I can give you is, wait until March and watch it and see if its good for yourself.
 
Although, Lee/Ditko/Romita/Conway/Kane/Andru never had Venom.
I don't want Venom in it till the end of season 2 or sometime in season 3, season 1 is way too early for a Venom story.
the 90's series had him in Season 1 and it worked out just fine. That season was only 13 episodes while this series first season is 26 eps.
 
This new show however looks once again aimed at the little tots. By season 3, "The Batman" actually started getting good but it's still far from what "BTAS" was---adult-oriented and probably the best adaptation of Batman since "BB."
the 90's TAS was aimed at kids too. it's just better since you were a kid then. but yes i think the art in this show does suck(as does every superhero cartoon these days)
 
the 90's series had him in Season 1 and it worked out just fine. That season was only 13 episodes while this series first season is 26 eps.

Exactly!

Personally, I think this new series will be successful, of course we wont know that until it actually airs.
 
Yea, but in the 90's show, he was Spidey for a long time before the show started, and this one is only a few weeks/months.

I thought Venom was done well in the 90's toon, but also too early.

They said that this is going to be like the Lee/Ditko/Romita era - they never had Venom, so why put him in so early?
 
Yea, but in the 90's show, he was Spidey for a long time before the show started, and this one is only a few weeks/months.

I thought Venom was done well in the 90's toon, but also too early.

They said that this is going to be like the Lee/Ditko/Romita era - they never had Venom, so why put him in so early?
KAAAA-CHIIING!

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It's for the money but it doesn't mean they won't do a bad job on the character either.
 
My biggest qualm with the 90s show was the overt mushiness of the romantic angles. They all seemed to fall in love too easily. The sad irony is that nowadays, you get garbage like Robin/Starfire "SHE'S NOT MY GIRLFRIEND!!!" childishness.

The Batman's probably a Eunuch...

They need to adapt the Peter/MJ relationship from Ultimate sPider-Man. It's a realistic look at teenaged relationships minus the Degrassi drama and not sappy enough to really turn anyone away.

I just hope nobody ever says. "I 'like you' like you." I 'hate that' hate that. v_v
 
I like the stylized character designs on this show-- I thought the 90's show looked bland and uninspired. Already, the animation looks WAY smoother than the 90's show, and Spidey actually looks like he'll be doing something other than hanging around getting his webline broken while his co-stars do all the butt-kicking for him.
 
It is aimed at kids, I thought everyone knew this.

Saturday morning cartoon + Spider-Man = kids.

It's funny, when I wanted an R-rated Spider-Man movie, soft-hearted fanboys rejected the idea. They're making a freakin' Saturday morning cartoon, now people want Spider-Man's toon to be adult-oriented...join the club. If they can't make the movie adult-oriented, how the hell are they going to make a cartoon show? It has always been the curse of Spider-Man outside the funny books, the more money he makes, the more they want him to appeal to kids. As I have always said, Spider-Man is a victim of his own success.
 
I'm a fan of the 90's cartoon and while some storylines didn't work (should've kept GG dead and not have him go through some wormhole or endless limbo) others were perfect (I could name a list of them.)

This new show however looks once again aimed at the little tots. By season 3, "The Batman" actually started getting good but it's still far from what "BTAS" was---adult-oriented and probably the best adaptation of Batman since "BB."

I hate the look of the characters. They seem Playskoolish as if they hired a 10 year-old to come in and draw Spider-Man characters all day. I thought this show was going to be based off of the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. When did all of sudden they changed course and said, "Let's make a different Spider-Man show."

The second thing I hate is they're actually calling it "The Spectacular Spider-Man" and they're giving him webbing underneath his arms. I ALWAYS hated the webbing because Spidey didn't need it if he could swing, glide, swoop, somersault, etc. in mid-air while shooting webs.

The third and final thing is, it seems to be when Marvel ever attempts to bring back old cartoons it seems to fall flat. Don't get me wrong I liked "X-Men Evolution" but it wasn't the 90's show, "FF4" got a new anime-look but it still didn't do much, and now we're getting a new Spider-Man show which to me it seems Marvel is doing as a cop-out so kids, adults, and fans can hold on till the 4th movie EVER comes out.

Least "Wolverine & the X-Men" looks like it'll be a prayer answered.

To me, it sounds like you're already set in your ways in regards to what works for you and what doesnt. You mention The Batman and right away compare it to Batman: TAS. You've alreay set the show up in your mind as a failure, in that regard. Especially if you are looking for the new stuff to somehow re-capture happy moments from your past.

This is not a put-down in anyway, just an observation...
 
I'm a fan of the 90's cartoon and while some storylines didn't work (should've kept GG dead and not have him go through some wormhole or endless limbo) others were perfect (I could name a list of them.)

This new show however looks once again aimed at the little tots. By season 3, "The Batman" actually started getting good but it's still far from what "BTAS" was---adult-oriented and probably the best adaptation of Batman since "BB."

I hate the look of the characters. They seem Playskoolish as if they hired a 10 year-old to come in and draw Spider-Man characters all day. I thought this show was going to be based off of the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. When did all of sudden they changed course and said, "Let's make a different Spider-Man show."

The second thing I hate is they're actually calling it "The Spectacular Spider-Man" and they're giving him webbing underneath his arms. I ALWAYS hated the webbing because Spidey didn't need it if he could swing, glide, swoop, somersault, etc. in mid-air while shooting webs.

The third and final thing is, it seems to be when Marvel ever attempts to bring back old cartoons it seems to fall flat. Don't get me wrong I liked "X-Men Evolution" but it wasn't the 90's show, "FF4" got a new anime-look but it still didn't do much, and now we're getting a new Spider-Man show which to me it seems Marvel is doing as a cop-out so kids, adults, and fans can hold on till the 4th movie EVER comes out.

Least "Wolverine & the X-Men" looks like it'll be a prayer answered.

To me, it sounds like you're already set in your ways in regards to what works for you and what doesnt. You mention The Batman and right away compare it to Batman: TAS. You've alreay set the show up in your mind as a failure, in that regard. Especially if you are looking for the new stuff to somehow re-capture happy moments from your past.

This is not a put-down in anyway, just an observation...
 
The only thing I would be worried about is if the art style is just too stupid for you to take. I think its going to be a pretty classy show, it wont be adult oriented, but it shouldnt be so painfully silly as to make it impossible to watch, either. Try to get used to the dumb chartacter designs and you might enjoy it. Or, you could just cry about it.
 
The only thing I would be worried about is if the art style is just too stupid for you to take. I think its going to be a pretty classy show, it wont be adult oriented, but it shouldnt be so painfully silly as to make it impossible to watch, either. Try to get used to the dumb chartacter designs and you might enjoy it. Or, you could just cry about it.
*sigh* I don't really see what all the fuss is over the character designs...There not THAT bad. They are no where near bordering cartoons like IDK Spongebob or something. They are not nearly as exaggerated. So I don't understand all the b****ing especially since they are similar to the source material in terms of design except for maybe Vulture's headgear and Venom's spider :whatever:





QUIT YOUR WHINING:o:cmad::oldrazz:
 
*sigh* I don't really see what all the fuss is over the character designs...There not THAT bad. They are no where near bordering cartoons like IDK Spongebob or something. They are not nearly as exaggerated. So I don't understand all the b****ing especially since they are similar to the source material in terms of design except for maybe Vulture's headgear and Venom's spider :whatever:





QUIT YOUR WHINING:o:cmad::oldrazz:
In other words, its not Teen Titans, so relax.
 
But lets be honest, there will come a moment down the road where they will really **** up a character. Electro and Vulture's changes have been welcome, but if we get a movie GG...... Oh God
 
I didn't think the movie GG was all that bad, but I suppose it didn't feel like GG to me. I want this show to keep the suit as it is, but in a way that it doesn't make Norman look like some deranged child molester. (Yes, GG's costume looks like a child molester.)
 
Riddle me this; If the show was gonna suck then why would they call it The sPectacular sPider-Man?
 
Geeze,Ninjaturtlefan,you say TDK'S Joker Sucks,you Say TDK'S Two-Face sucks,Now you say the Spectacular Spiderman cartoon is gonna suck,Is there anything you think isn't gonna "suck"?:oldrazz:
 
Geeze,Ninjaturtlefan,you say TDK'S Joker Sucks,you Say TDK'S Two-Face sucks,Now you say the Spectacular Spiderman cartoon is gonna suck,Is there anything you think isn't gonna "suck"?:oldrazz:

There's a difference between suck and not liking something. I don't like the changes Nolan has made to the Batman movies but I accept them because they're not big changes. Sure, both his changes go against canon, the mythos, and continuity, but still nonetheless he has pretty much stayed true to some of the comics. I'm fine with him going with the storylines of "The Long Halloween" and "Joker's 5-Way Revenge" but still nonetheless I don't care for Nolan always having to make every single thing realistic.

Here, with the new Spider-Man series I find it to be unnecessary. I would've rather Marvel continued the MTV series than this. That series, while imperfect, had potential and it was cancelled too soon. It was as close as we got to the movies, not to mention, I loved the look of it and the episodes were more adult-oriented. Sure, the romance of it was cheesy but it still wasn't as bad as "Spider-Man Unlimited" as some make it out to be.

As for my reasons why I don't think this'll be good, they stand for themselves. I'm a fan of the old show, while I'll maybe watch an episode of this or two and make my final judgment, I don't think this'll have the same effect as the other series. Same as like when the new "He-Man" show came on or the new "Ninja Turtles" show came on, people who were fans of the older series weren't accepting of the newer ones. I think really Marvel is only releasing this and making this show just so they can get more money, to least hold onto the old Spider-Man fans who got turned off by movie 3, and lastly because Spider-Man 4 is probably a year or 2 away so it's kind of a 'fill the void and save the waiting.'

If some of you like this show than fine, but like with the Batman forums or wherever you'll have people or fans who won't like everything that is changed or renewed or whatever. As every director of a superhero movie or television show has said, "Fans are the hardest to please." It's true because we are a majority and we don't like our voices to be met as a minority. While some fans will like something, others won't. That's our world. That's our society. Some will hate others will love. And the rest will have their convictions.

Me I'm a comic-book purist to some length. I can handle some changes and differing ideas from whether it'd be writers, artists, directors, actors, etc. but like I said I may not like some things but others I might. That's the beauty of being a fan really.
 
There's a difference between suck and not liking something. I don't like the changes Nolan has made to the Batman movies but I accept them because they're not big changes. Sure, both his changes go against canon, the mythos, and continuity, but still nonetheless he has pretty much stayed true to some of the comics. I'm fine with him going with the storylines of "The Long Halloween" and "Joker's 5-Way Revenge" but still nonetheless I don't care for Nolan always having to make every single thing realistic.

Here, with the new Spider-Man series I find it to be unnecessary. I would've rather Marvel continued the MTV series than this. That series, while imperfect, had potential and it was cancelled too soon. It was as close as we got to the movies, not to mention, I loved the look of it and the episodes were more adult-oriented. Sure, the romance of it was cheesy but it still wasn't as bad as "Spider-Man Unlimited" as some make it out to be.

As for my reasons why I don't think this'll be good, they stand for themselves. I'm a fan of the old show, while I'll maybe watch an episode of this or two and make my final judgment, I don't think this'll have the same effect as the other series. Same as like when the new "He-Man" show came on or the new "Ninja Turtles" show came on, people who were fans of the older series weren't accepting of the newer ones. I think really Marvel is only releasing this and making this show just so they can get more money, to least hold onto the old Spider-Man fans who got turned off by movie 3, and lastly because Spider-Man 4 is probably a year or 2 away so it's kind of a 'fill the void and save the waiting.'

If some of you like this show than fine, but like with the Batman forums or wherever you'll have people or fans who won't like everything that is changed or renewed or whatever. As every director of a superhero movie or television show has said, "Fans are the hardest to please." It's true because we are a majority and we don't like our voices to be met as a minority. While some fans will like something, others won't. That's our world. That's our society. Some will hate others will love. And the rest will have their convictions.

Me I'm a comic-book purist to some length. I can handle some changes and differing ideas from whether it'd be writers, artists, directors, actors, etc. but like I said I may not like some things but others I might. That's the beauty of being a fan really.


So basically what you're saying is; you expect the movies and toons to follow and translate the comics to the letter, basically telling the exact same story over and over again...just in different forms of media?
 
Same as like when the new "He-Man" show came on or the new "Ninja Turtles" show came on, people who were fans of the older series weren't accepting of the newer ones.

I grew up with both of the original TMNT and He-Man 'toons.
I like the new TMNT (except the theme, Fast Forward theme was better, but not as good as the 80's theme.) and the new He-Man.
 

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