Who is the Man in the Iron Mask?

Discussion in 'The Flash' started by Dark Raven, Feb 19, 2016.

  1. teh Puffy COME ON AND HIT ME!

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    What if this is the "Missing In Crisis" Barry established on the paper from 2024?

    Just throwing out a new idea that had a very minor story line in Season 1.
    To me that would be, "You wouldnt believe me."
     
  2. the gael Registered

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    The more I look at all the clues (including the Berlanti's tweets), the more I believe that the man in the iron mask is the true Jay Garrick, whose identity was usurped by Hunter Zolomon from the beginning.

    The only question is whose familiar face is under the mask ? Does he look like Teddy Sear ? Or then who is the real Jay Garrick earth I counterpart ?
     
  3. Lone Non-playable character

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    Jay Garrick Earth Two is Wally West.
     
  4. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    That's what it seems like, especially when they say that they would never make Jay Garrick evil. What other option is there really?

    I don't think Teddy Sears could really play a version of Garrick now. I think it would be best to have someone not associated with a villain this season. Of course, they did that with Harrison Wells, but that wasn't even really Wells last season but Eobard Thawne having stolen his body. I don't think they'll do that again this season. So it has to be that Zolomon stole Garrick's identity another way, by locking him up and parading around as him instead.
     
  5. Man of Steel Superman

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    So something like, Jay Garrick was the Flash, but nobody ever saw his face, allowing Hunter Zolomon to steal his identity?
     
  6. Golgo-13 The Return of the O.G

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    Isn't Eddie Thawne the only Earth 2 counterpart we haven't seen yet? I believe it''s him, although Hunters comment about "You wouldn't believe me if i told you" when asked about the masked man's identity makes me believe it's someone entirely different....
     
  7. 04nbod I need to debrief you

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    Perhaps The Man in the Iron Mask is old Jay who doesn't have an Earth 1 doppleganger because he died in the years ago without the Speedforce?
     
  8. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    Maybe Jay looks like Henry, which is why Barry wouldn't believe it if he told him.
     
  9. zerohour films Registered

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    I've been telling my wife and friends from jumpstreet that the man in the iron mask is E-1 Eddie Thawne. To me the blonde hair we've seen underneath the mask and the way he is built just screams Eddie. I believe he somehow (no clue how it can be explained) survived and landed on E-2 when his body was sucked up into the singularity.

    I just think with all this Iris/Eddie stuff they've had lately it points to her being faced with a decision to try and pursue a future with Barry or fight destiny and be with Eddie again once he is rescued/discovered to be alive.

    I don't think it will be E-2 Eddie since we have already seen his name on E-2 Barry's speed dial and no real mention of him being missing (but who knows)

    As to where the real Jay Garrick is....no clue. Maybe another Earth out there somewhere. Surely there is a real Jay Garrick somewhere though. You don't mess with a big time character like that. I just don't think he is in the Iron Mask. At this point wouldn't seem much of a reveal and no reason to have his face hidden. Unless he is some secret twin (been done in the comics related to Zoom I think).
     
  10. Shade20xx Registered

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    I still think it's Jay in the mask. Maybe Jay is the Earth-1 doppelganger of Earth-2 Hunter?
     
  11. Headliner Registered

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    It's the real Jay and he's going to be the key to stopping Zoom along with Jesse Quick. I'm guessing when Jay got imprisoned, Hunter stole his Flash uniform.

    Eddie being in the iron mask wouldn't make much sense.
     
  12. Jedi Arrow Vigilant Knight

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    I'm betting the real Jay Garrick too, but I'm not sure he'll be played by Teddy Sears (could be, but it would just confuse things further). I'm almost expecting E-2 Eddie Thawne or E-2 Henry Allen to actually be Jay Garrick, or something. But I don't think it could be Henry because Barry talked to E-2 Nora and she didn't mention Henry was missing, and in fact they were going on a cruise. So either Eddie or Teddy Sears as the real Jay, I guess.
     
  13. zenith16 Registered

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    yup. as to eddie not sure on him. but we'll have to see.

    three people were missing in that 48 hour trip to earth and weirdly earth 2. earth 2 Iris and Joe made no mention of their version of wally there, and it'll be a weird thing that they (the writers/show runners) went ok over there, for earth 2 barry having his mom still alive, but wally was still unknown to earth 2 Joe and iris there.


    It should be that earth 2 Wally grew up with his dad and sister there ,if the case with Nora still being alive.

    There will be alot of explaining to do if they (writers/ show ruuners)make it wally just for he heck of it.
    it'll feel like a oh we(writers/ show ruuners) accidentally left that out cause "we were in a rush and now we have to make things fit."

    then again 2 day's wasn't enough time to explore earth 2 the first time around .
     
  14. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    I don't want Wally to be Jay. That's like Jason Todd discovering that Tim Drake is Dick Grayson.
     
  15. zenith16 Registered

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    it's what happens when you limit the character pool with actor's you already hired and you don't want to hire more. and have weird linda park is dr. light deal. like I said there already alot they have to address with earth 2 wally .

    Heck I kind said the same about Jessie Quick and why she doesn't have a earth 1 counter part? once they showed her.

    I guess eobard killed both real doctor wells and his wife befor she was born or he sent her up for adoption? other wise I don't see him playing daddy with earth one Jessie.

    That was another thing I wanted addressed earlier.


    but was since looked over.
     
  16. Brian Braddock R.I.P. '96 Y.N.W.A.

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    I like the prospect. In fact - my hope is that the real Earth-2 Jay is actually the doppelganger of Earth-1 Henry Allen, who in himself is the doppelganger of Earth-CBS Barry Allen.

    In short, I just wanna see JWS in a Flash costume again. :D
     
  17. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    I think John Wesley Shipp as Jay Garrick would be the most fan pleasing instead of someone like Eddie or Wally. We need someone who seems really heroic, and having a former Flash (from CBS) as the original comic Flash would be very exciting.

    But why would he be called Jay Garrick instead of Henry Allen (or even Barry Allen, as in another reality)?
     
  18. The Infernal Mky Mk

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    Eddie, Wally or Henry Allen are all weird suggestions for a real Jay Garrick in my view. Each would call for a forced character mash-up to work. I think it would be a bit far even given how they've created Zoom. Henry Allen at least seems the most unlikely given they already referenced him and his wife existing in earth 2 and I don't think Barry's last name is inexplicably Garrick on earth 2 either.
     
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    That could be where fake-Jay got the inspiration for the story about Earth-1 Hunter's name.
     
  20. Gava Registered

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    Could also be that the writers will make 'Garrick' a middle name instead of a last name...

    So the character will actually be Jay Garrick 'Something', or James Garrick 'Something', John Garrick 'Something'...

    In the comics, he's Jason Peter Garrick, so they might be interchanging the middle and last here, with another name

    That way the character is known with a complete different name, might aswell be a John Smith on Earth-1 and Earth-2, but is nicknamed 'J'ames 'Garrick' Smith, or Jay Garrick.,

    Hence why we haven't seen a Garrick on Earth-1 or heard the name on Earth-2, even though we could already have met a character from the family or w/e

    Gotta keep in mind that Arrow and The Flash share a similar universe, so the Man in the Iron Mask could aswell be someone along those lines that appeared on Arrow, as it happened with Lawton when Barry, Cisco and Wells crossed over, and he had never appeared in the series...

    Suspiciously or not, he was shoe-horned in the GCPD in place of the only character we didn't get to see, which was Eddie lol

    Maybe he and Hunter met each other in the orphanage, and that 'Eddie' Thawne actually means James Edward Thawne (I don't think we ever got Eddie's full name), that when got adopted, became James Edward Garrick, or Jay Garrick (not even that much of a stretch, James Edward is actually a common name) all we have to go by about Hunter's transformation is what transpired while Wells was telling the story, but it's a bit off...

    Hunter knows science, how could he possibly be good with science if he spent years being eletro shocked and whatnot, after years in an orphanage, he is either a prodigy or.. maybe he wasn't the one fooling around and creating the Velocity drug, that'd be a leap, you have a psycho confined in a mental ward and out of the blue he becomes not only a speedster, but also a guy with a scientific mind...
     
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    I've said for ages that it's Jay Garrick but he'll have the face of Henry Allen.
    But, taking Zoom's words into account - "you wouldn't believe me if I told you" - wouldn't the producers totally throw off the fans and Barry himself IF his face is revealed to be that of the REAL Eobard Thawne? The man responsible for so much of Barry's pain could be the "prime" speedster.
    Actor is Matt Letscher I think, not too sure of his surname.

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    I haven't read all the way through the thread, but haven't seen anyone come up with this suggestion yet.

    EDIT: 2 people have also come up with this lol, damnit!
     
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  22. Golgo-13 The Return of the O.G

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    In one of the eps they made a point of showing the man in the masks blonde hair.
     
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    E2 Wally West?
     
  24. zenith16 Registered

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    ok so here's the thing. we didn't see Eddie on earth 2 cause the actor was busy with this show




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    Elias Harper




    Quantico playing what was one of the antagonists. and was in Montreal


    and no he wasn't the only character not seen.



    more importantly on the last two there are two things in conflict with it being earth 2 Henry. earth 2's Barry's mother which we found out she's alive over there on earth 2 said her and Henry were enjoying their vacation trip in Atlantis.

    now zoom has been terrorizing earth 2 for year's and posed as Jay Garrick .


    Beside's Henry being with earth 2 Barry's mother enjoying their vacation.

    he must have heard about all this crap zoom was doing ,and there was another person impersonating him, why would earth 2 Henry allow that? if he's Jay Garrick /the flash of earth 2?

    Most dc heroes don't let that happen for too long as with happened with supergirl when bizarro girl did it.

    and why would earth 2 Barry's mother not ask or make a statement that Henry is worried about the zoom situation and would like to help as the flash /jay Garrick?

    see the conflict here?


    it being Henry doesn't make sense as infernal said and I've been saying the same thing for a while too. there's a different between want and seeing it clue wise.

    so far earth 2 Henry doesn't compute or make sense right now.

    And as I said about earth 2 wally there's other stuff to addressed with him and it just being made him won't make sense ether, due to that. as dark raven agreed.


    so it does leave it to be Eddie in way. and there's stuff that need's to be explained there with . him

    But truth be told I'd really rather it be someone else.

    someone henry's age maybe or older but not Henry Allen him self .

    cause if the man in the iron mask is Henry, why in the hell wouldn't earth 2 Barry's mother notice Henry's missing? And more so now that earth 2 Barry and iris supposedly went into hiding from zoom in their version of that was to live with earth berry's parent place in Atlantis?
     
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    Back in the day when they first announced a Flash movie (I'm talking around the time Ryan Reynolds was pitching himself to play Wally West), I wanted nothing more than John Wesley Shipp to play Jay Garrick. It seemed perfect that the old flash from the 90s would play the old retired Flash in the movie.

    Then when JWS got cast as Henry Allen, i was obviously thrilled to see him involved on the show but I remember specifically thinking that if they ever introduced Jay Garrick on the show that the show runners would be kicking themselves for casting him as Barry's dad and not casting him as Jay (especially since he looks like Jay ripped directly out of the comics).

    My hope is that the man in the iron mask is the real Jay Garrick that we haven't seen yet and that somehow he looks like E1 Henry Allen and I finally get to see John Wesley Shipp play Jay Garrick!
     

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