Who should have been the villains for #3?

[Reikowolf]

Spider-Man 3 should begin with Pete getting out of bed and looking in the TV, a reporter states

"Just hours after the Mutant attack on Alcatraz island officials have started clean up on the one of the worst terrorist attacks since the World Trade Centre.. this is following the Military strike 3 years prior in the hunt for the the super human known as the Hulk. The wherabouts of the terrorist mutant Magneto are unknown but the 'mutant cure' has been recalled by Worthington labs stating that the socio-political upheaval is too great to risk another attack... Mutant vigilantism is being blamed for much of the violence in San Francisco as of late, mutants insist that it is not all them but rather a vigilante known only as the Punisher.


In other news, Wilson Fisk of Fisk Enterprises has been released from prison; he claims he has been framed by the vigilante known as the Daredevil, claiming that his true identity is that of a blind lawyer known as Matt Murdock. Police questioned Murdock but could not find cause for arrest.

On a happy note. The wedding of Sue Storm to Reed Richards is coming up and it has been the talk of the town. Sue and Reed are also known as the invisable woman and Mr Fantastic of the Fantastic 4. The fantastic 4 are considered the poster family for every superhuman in america; despite the recent damage caused at a starbucks after the human torch got into a heated debate with the vigilante known as Spider-Man... Although Mr. Storm claims that it was all a misunderstanding, Spider-man is wanted for questioning."

Pete: *shakes head* great... I'm not the one that burnt the patio chairs... I put them out... Spider-Man.. not fire man... how can they blame me for that?
*sighs*
I need some breakfast

 

[CrashNburn]

Good One!!

 

[Reikowolf]

ok.. what's this thread about?

 

[CrashNburn]

The Villians In 3...remember?

 

[FaT_tONle]

But wouldn't that be Harry Osborn in this series?

I think Eddies more of the Anakin Skywalker seeing that he will be the one who wants revenge and all... I think Harry will ultimately be good at the end but a villain through most of the film... I think it's going to be pretty cool seeing the downfall of Eddie... losing his job... his girl to Pete... and finally taking matter into his own hands by becoming Venom...

 

[CrashNburn]

That Is Definitely What Will Add To The Movie.cant Wait!!

 

[Cmill216]

Edit.

 

[Cmill216]

I think Eddies more of the Anakin Skywalker seeing that he will be the one who wants revenge and all... I think Harry will ultimately be good at the end but a villain through most of the film... I think it's going to be pretty cool seeing the downfall of Eddie... losing his job... his girl to Pete... and finally taking matter into his own hands by becoming Venom...

I'll agree that Eddie'll go evil and it makes sense, but Harry's been building towards a physical confrontation with Peter since when this franchise began. Eddie's going to be an Anakin-lite in this film, but Harry is the real Anakin of this franchise. He may help Pete in the end, but that doesn't mean he won't seek his revenge at the beginning.

 

[Reikowolf]

does that mean peter is luke?

 

[CrashNburn]

does that mean peter is luke?

ONLY IF WE FIND OUT THAT MJ IS HIS SISTER!

 

[FaT_tONle]

I'll agree that Eddie'll go evil and it makes sense, but Harry's been building towards a physical confrontation with Peter since when this franchise began. Eddie's going to be an Anakin-lite in this film, but Harry is the real Anakin of this franchise. He may help Pete in the end, but that doesn't mean he won't seek his revenge at the beginning.

Ya if u want to look at it from a trilogy perspective its obviously Harry... we'll see what happens... who would you have wanted the villains to be though? I know you said it's difficult to say but didn't you want Sandman GG2 with the Venom cliff hanger or just Brock dying and no venom?

 

[FaT_tONle]

ONLY IF WE FIND OUT THAT MJ IS HIS SISTER!

ROFL... I just think they are beating this thing to death... Peter being tempted by the darkside... Harry or Eddie turning or whatever... it would just be a Star Wars rip off if MJ died or some sh:t... not that it doesn't make for a good story and all...

 

[Cmill216]

Ya if u want to look at it from a trilogy perspective its obviously Harry... we'll see what happens... who would you have wanted the villains to be though? I know you said it's difficult to say but didn't you want Sandman GG2 with the Venom cliff hanger or just Brock dying and no venom?

Venom cliffhanger. Sandman/GG2.

 

[CrashNburn]

How Do I Set Myself Up With An Avatar? I Cant Seem To Figure It Out.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

I'd have to say
Main villain - Lizard (if fit the profile of the first two movies)
side villian -(harry) gg2 (cuase we got he cliff hanger for him at the end of hte last one.) or maybe HG(someone harry hires and give the gear to)
with a eddie brock cameo, with a venom cliff hanger at the end.

 

[Frodo]

Actually , Kingpin would have been good with Sandman and Electro as nothing more then hired muscle . The rights belong to Fox so he's outta the question, even though he's one of Spidey's best villians . If he were the villian you could make the story more like the 90's STAS . I'm not sure how the kingpin would fit into Raimi's Spiderman vision , but that's who would have been good. Then you could use venom for 4 .

If they ever had the vulture , I would use the actor who plays Locke from Lost.

 

[Fran]

I'd have to agree with Eddie being a semi-Anakin of this series.
But, Harry is the ultimate example of Anakin Skywalker.
This hatred has built up for Spider-Man, and it sort of triggered it all once he found out Pete was Spider-Man, and having his father in his head helps the cause.
Eddie being Anakin-lite makes sense.
But Harry turns bad after being good (just like Anakin), has someone tempting him to evil (Emperor/Norman), gives into the evil/dark side, and puts on a suit (like Darth). If Harry ends up saving Spidey/Pete from Venom and Sandman, that would complete it all. Once Darth realized that Luke was his son, he couldn't bear the thought of him being killed by him or his mentor, so Darth sacrificed himself to see his son live, because he found his feelings/love for his only son. Harry will realize that what he is doing (tormenting Pete throughout the movie) is wrong, and will come to his senses, saving Pete from certain death to Venom/or Sandman.

That would be an amazing ending to me. Very emotional, yet very powerful.

But, I believe that the 4 villains are Sandman, Venom, GG2, and a short, side-role villain that will only make a small appearance, like Rhino or something, at the beginning of the movie to start things.

Don't worry - Venom's gonna be sweet. HAVE FAITH IN RAIMI.

 

[SM71]

-Z-

the reason I called him Vino was because I still feel one movie is not enough to properly develop a character like Venom. I have no problem with Grace playing him, even if he doesnt fit the classic look of Eddie Brock.

IMHO Eddie is the Anakin Skywalker of this series. He's the character that slowly gives in to his anger and eventually becomes something powerful and evil. Would the Star Wars prequels have been as good if they had rushed the transformation from Anakin to Vader in one movie. We would have ended episode one with a nine year old Darth Vader.

Sandman can handle sharing the spotlight. He's one dimesional as a character. Even the lizard or man wolf could handle sharing the glory. But Venom is many levels deep. His hatred of Peter/Spidey needs proper time to be explored. The symbiote itself needs to be explored. There is a lot of ground to be covered and even if the movie were three hours long it couldn't fully cover all the bases (IMHO) and present Venom at his best.

Unlike most spiderman villians Venom took months to create. Doc Ock took only a few panels to desribe his origin. Sandman took less than that. Other one dimensional characters like Electro, Lizard, Shocker, Rhino, Man-Wolf, and Vulture were introduced with only a few pages of origin. Venom, Green Goblin, and Hobgoblin, had more complex origins.

I just don't want to see Venom on the screen so they can do some cool CGI and see his background rushed through leaving out the build up.

I wouldn't have accepted an 8 year old Darth Vader over the mature villian that we got in the FIRST Star Wars, and I can't accept a Venom that hasn't had to walk through the fires of personal hell and develop an all encompassing hatred of Peter/Spiderman. In a two hour movie, he might be able to get irked a bit, but all encompassing hatred? I don't think so.

I hope Sam proves me wrong, but I can't see how he can be done well while sharing the screen with three other villians.

thats why I said VINO.

I see where you're comin from, and i understand that you think that they should give his character more time to develop, and i do agree, but i also disagree too

In the Star Wars series, the first 3 prequels were not dedicated to showing Annikan's transformation to the dark side and into Vader, only the last one was. The first 2 showed his maturing and his turning into a skilled and powerful jedi, then turning evil in the last one (he was still 100% good at the end of ep.2) If they can have his transformation in 1 movie, they can pull off Eddie just fine. (It's all about how extreme his losses are and how truly deep and hurtful the things he goes through are)

That's not my main point tho...my point is that this movie doesn't isn't titled "Venom". There is def enough time to show Eddie's increasing hate and spite towards Peter/Spiderman, spreading his scenes here and there throughout the movie. He's introduced as Peter's cocky new rival at the Bugle and JJJ's favorite, then afters certain events Peter embarrasses him and makes him into a laughing-stock etc...he loses his job, loses his girl (which i think Gwen will have once been) and im sure Raimi will throw in other stuff to push him over the edge..

You can still have him go through personal hell, it all depends on the things Raimi decides to make happen to him, its most definitely possible. I know it's important to show Eddie's growing dislike and encompassing hatred for Peter/Spiderman, but the whole movie doesn't have to be dedicated to him to do so....

 

[SM71]

Eddie is uncomparable to Annikan. He doesn't start out as an innocent little boy... Eddie's story begins with him starting to hate Peter (you don't show how good of a person he once was like annikan in SW, even though we know he was a devout christian) the entire movie for his character is showing his growing hate for Peter/Spiderman. There weren't 2 movies for his character being good, growing and maturing, then turning evil in the last one?

If you want to compare anyone to Annikan its Harry 100% and no one else.

 

[CrashNburn]

Youre Right, It Is Harry!

 

[SM71]

Harry being equivalent to Annikan isn't my point though, my point is that you cannot compare Eddie to Annikan, especially in terms of his transformation from one thing into another

 

[Secret_Riddle]

well sandman is an ok choice but i think venom and gg2 r key

 

[In2Minds]

I'll agree that Eddie'll go evil and it makes sense, but Harry's been building towards a physical confrontation with Peter since when this franchise began. Eddie's going to be an Anakin-lite in this film, but Harry is the real Anakin of this franchise. He may help Pete in the end, but that doesn't mean he won't seek his revenge at the beginning.

if any of you remember the star wars triliogy you will know that at the end of 6 darth vader ultimately turns good and destroys the emeperor but before that he was pure evil so why dont they explore a simalir path with harry? Ie him being mad at the start of the movie, mid movie he dons the GG2 suit end he sacrifices himslef to save pete from venom/ sandman/ both?

 

[SM71]

if any of you remember the star wars triliogy you will know that at the end of 6 darth vader ultimately turns good and destroys the emeperor but before that he was pure evil so why dont they explore a simalir path with harry? Ie him being mad at the start of the movie, mid movie he dons the GG2 suit end he sacrifices himslef to save pete from venom/ sandman/ both?

I think that's what were gona get, or at least something similar. I think he may don the suit a little earlier though but who knows

 

[The Shape]

to those of you who don't believe venom won't have enough time to build up:

THE WHOLE MOVIE WILL BUILD UP TO HIS APPEARANCE. from peter meeting eddie, to venom meeting spidey -- BUILD UP.

the ending will satisfy us all.