Would the original script have made a better movie

[Spidey17]

As much as I love Venom, I'd rather he get his own movie, where he would get the chance to be fully developed, other than tacked on. It would be a better movie with just focusing on one main villain and GG, but Raimi really ruined Sandman for me. If that was one of his top Spidey villains, than why did he change him so much? The comic Sandman can't grow in size(as far as I know), he can't become one thing(like a hand), he can't fly, he doesn't have a cancerous daughter, and he didn't kill Uncle Ben. A truly great comic villain shouldn't have to be altered to any extent, except for appearance. He was only faithful to Sandman's origin story, and his shirt. Now that I've seen it on the big screen, I can see how much his origin story really does suck hairy monkey balls. It still would've been better, because Sandman would've been more developed, and the story would have then been more concise, as well as more powerful.

 

[OldSkoolNWA]

I still think you will see a movie with Venom as the main villian - I think the origin/Alien costume was done in this one so that the next movie could focus more on the battles between Spidey and Venom.

I know alot of people think Venom died at the end, but remember...all you saw was a huge explosion, and then a small piece of the symbiote. I believe Venom/Brock crawled away in a weakened state during the explosion and will return in part 4

 

[Spidey17]

I know it's grasping for straws, but I hope your right. When would Venom get his own movie though? I think The Lizard is a shoe-in right now, he's already been in two movies.

 

[mpw261]

I still think you will see a movie with Venom as the main villian - I think the origin/Alien costume was done in this one so that the next movie could focus more on the battles between Spidey and Venom.

I know alot of people think Venom died at the end, but remember...all you saw was a huge explosion, and then a small piece of the symbiote. I believe Venom/Brock crawled away in a weakened state during the explosion and will return in part 4

he couldnt have crawled away
off to the side
when the explosion happened
you can see brocks skeleton during the explosion for a split second
sorry
brock jr. is dead

 

[Tempest19]

Dude, what you just describe is NOT the original script.

The original script had three villains- take Venom out, put Vulture in.

So Eddie's scenes would have been scenes with Adrian Toomes.

Vulture? Ahh... no thanks!

 

[OldSkoolNWA]

That's amazing

I saw the movie twice, and never once saw a skeleton - you sure it's not a case of hearing all about the death of Venom/Brock on these forums for weeks leading up to the movie, and maybe seeing something in the explosion that just wasn't there ?

 

[OldSkoolNWA]

Damn double post

 

[FlawlessVictory]

That's amazing

I saw the movie twice, and never once saw a skeleton - you sure it's not a case of hearing all about the death of Venom/Brock on these forums for weeks leading up to the movie, and maybe seeing something in the explosion that just wasn't there ?

There is a skeleton. There's a screencap of it floating around somewhere on these boards.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I believe the original script would have made for a better movie because the focus of it would have been more on Sandman. His story had potential but I feel it ultimately got shafted. From the link in my sig:

Sam Raimi, writer/director of Spider-Man 3, told SCI FI Wire that he had a smaller sequel in mind with fewer characters, until producers Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin suggested adding a key villain and a key love interest. "I had worked on the story with my brother, Ivan, and primarily it was a story that featured the Sandman [Thomas Haden Church]," Raimi said in a news conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last week. "It was really about Peter, Mary Jane, Harry and that new character."

Instead, we ended up with, IMO, a convoluted, mess of a movie with too many characters and subplots. Even Alvin Sargent admitted there was so much going on he considered breaking up his screenplay into two separate movies:

Alvin Sargent, who wrote the screenplay for Spider-Man 2 and doctored parts of the first one — and, incidentally, is married to Spider-Man producer Laura Ziskin — came back to hash the Raimis' ideas into actual script pages, elaborating on characters and refining dialogue. So many plot strands piled up that at one point, the story broke into two films that might have been made back-to-back as parts 3 and 4 — a game plan that collapsed when nobody could find a satisfying intermediate climax.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20035326_3,00.html


It would have been nice to see what could have been. Even with Vulture, an extremely lame villain, the movie would have been better because it would have been tighter. Time would not have to be wasted on the symbiote, Peter under the controls of the symbiote, Eddie Brock, Venom, Gwen and Captain Stacy. I'm all for Venom, but save him for a movie that is not already crowded.

 

[Miguel]

I still think you will see a movie with Venom as the main villian - I think the origin/Alien costume was done in this one so that the next movie could focus more on the battles between Spidey and Venom.

I know alot of people think Venom died at the end, but remember...all you saw was a huge explosion, and then a small piece of the symbiote. I believe Venom/Brock crawled away in a weakened state during the explosion and will return in part 4

It's as likely as Ock coming back even though "all we saw was him floating away, underneath a nuclear fireball coming down on his head". He's dead, seriously.

The whole point of that end shot was to show Peter dragging Eddie out of the symbiote to save him, then Brock leaping back in mad, insane desperation to his own death. Think what you like, I guess, since people always grasp for what they prefer. It just isn't happening, that's all. A lot of people think Venom died because that's what the movie indicates.

One last note: If they wanted to flirt with Brock being alive, they'd give a very tiny hint in a separate shot of someone laying hurt, breathing hard, and a shadow of the symbiote moving with him away out of notice to foreshadow. This didn't happen.

 

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

The comic Sandman can't grow in size(as far as I know), he can't become one thing(like a hand), he can't fly,.

Uh. In the comics, Sandman -can- do all the things you've currently stated he cannot.

He -can- increase his mass, he -can- become a singularity in the shape of whatever he pleases and he -can- change into a self propelled sand-storm...I.E. : Fly.

You're complaining about things the character could always do.

 

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

That's amazing

I saw the movie twice, and never once saw a skeleton - you sure it's not a case of hearing all about the death of Venom/Brock on these forums for weeks leading up to the movie, and maybe seeing something in the explosion that just wasn't there ?

Then you're blind or totally un-observant.

The skeleton was there. Why can't you people accept it?

 

[XXTBWCXX]

Does anyone honestly think Spider-Man 3 would've been better WITHOUT the symbiote and Venom?

The first hour was basically all about Spidey, and details on Sandman and New Goblin, but finding out about Sandman, about how he killed his uncle (which was the starting point of his story, right?) and the symbiote is pretty much the only way to make Peter so evil that he wants to kill Flint Marko and it also helps him more by trying to kill Harry too, thinking he'll become Green Goblin dos...so, to me, the symbiote really helped the movie, and I don't see how it "messed" the movie up...yes, I believe the additions of Gwen Stacy and Eddie Brock was a bit too much, but they played out nicely in the movie...not enough scenes, but really, just enough scenes...perhaps the last act went by really fast, and I do believe Venom should've had more time, and I'm not really bothered that he did die, because these aren't comics...Doc Ock's death was necessary, and so was Venom...although he should've had way more screen time...fifteen minutes would've been perfect...because, the last two villains, had what, thirty-forty minutes AS the villain, so fifteen would've been a perfect time to have Venom, and that's the only complaint about Spider-Man 3 that I have.

 

[DyeLorean]

Would the original script have made a better movie

In my opinion, definetely. Raimi had his own movie in his head, and I bet it was as good as the first 2. When (perhaps) Ziskin and Arad started to get their hands into the movie, everything got a little bit screwed.

So, yes, the original script would have made a better movie.

D!

 

[Sean Adisano]

I still think you will see a movie with Venom as the main villian - I think the origin/Alien costume was done in this one so that the next movie could focus more on the battles between Spidey and Venom.

I know alot of people think Venom died at the end, but remember...all you saw was a huge explosion, and then a small piece of the symbiote. I believe Venom/Brock crawled away in a weakened state during the explosion and will return in part 4

could very well be possible.

and don't forget the little symbiote sample that dr. connors still has. that could be used as something as well if they choose to.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

That's amazing

I saw the movie twice, and never once saw a skeleton - you sure it's not a case of hearing all about the death of Venom/Brock on these forums for weeks leading up to the movie, and maybe seeing something in the explosion that just wasn't there ?

You were saying?

 

[lordofthenerds]

^I see it...faintly.

 

[Eddie Brock]

I think a back-to-back 3 and 4 could have been awesome. They could have been like Pirates and released 3 this summer and 4 a year later.

Nonetheless, you never know when Sony's going to say, "That's it." So you don't want to leave that cliff-hanger. That might have been a factor.

 

[Sean Adisano]

I think a back-to-back 3 and 4 could have been awesome. They could have been like Pirates and released 3 this summer and 4 a year later.

Nonetheless, you never know when Sony's going to say, "That's it." So you don't want to leave that cliff-hanger. That might have been a factor.

...they were talking about milking this franchise for another 20 years!!!! all they care about is the money

 

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

You were saying?

(Tsang Tsung Voice) Flawless.....Victory.....(/Tsang Tsung Voice)

 

[Alexia Dark]

Having not read said script, I wouldn't know.

 

[christpunchers]

My spiderman 3 rewrite, no venom, only the black suit, no sandman/ben parker connection:

Flint Marko and Adrian Toomes (who is now an aging old old old man will later become the Vulture) are both in the same prision cell. Toomes is imprisioned for falsifying information to make his once small company grow to emnormous proportions.

You'll have bits and pieces of funny dialogue, Adrian "They put me in this cell with a simple street thug murderer." Then you'll have Flint trying to defend his actions because he stole money for his dying daughter.

Some crazy scientific experiement demands for a human test subject. Through some sort of money bribing, these secret research agency promises large amount of money and early release for one prisoner if he agrees to BE that test subject. Marko volunteers, he'll give anything to see his daughter again. Marko suspects that he may not make it out alive from the experiment but he'll try and escape when the guards are transferring him to the lab.

Toomes wants Marko to start a riot so Toomes will help Marko save his daugther (In the movie, Toomes is shown as a super scientist of sorts). The expirement goes wrong, Marko gets turned into the sandman. Sandman creates a large scale riot in the prison. Sandman is at the edge of escaping the prison, Toomes BEGS Sandman to take him with him. Sandman agrees.

Toomes will basically lure Sandman into robbing banks to build some sort of "machine" that is promised to save Marko's daughter.

Spidey will get the black suit via the astronaut story. We'll get a big centre piece action sequence of a shuttle going 100 miles an hour down into central NY and its up to Spidey to stop it from destroying the city and also to save the astronauts (including JJ's son who is now bitter over MJ).

Spidey saves the day, but the black suit which comes from a rock escapes the shuttle and attaches to Pete unknowingly to everyone. Keep the spiderman celebration as Spidey's reward for saving NY.

Harry throughout the movie will stalk Parker and make his life a living hell, because at any moment he can kidnap MJ or Aunt May or expose his secrets to the world.

Spidey's ass is getting kicked all over the city. Sandman is too strong, Harry is takes the enchanment formula, hes making peter's life a living hell. Eddie Brock is introduced in this movie, as Parker's archrival at the bugle. The black suit finally manifests itself, Spidey starts kicking Sandman's ass. Sandman tells him "you dont understand, i need to do this for my daughter". The two are evenly matched.

In an end sequence the vulture's machine is finished and Sandman, under the vulture's orders, kidnaps Spidey (whom Vulture considers the strongest and most "youthful" specimen he can find to rejuvenate himself). Spidey is put into a machine where the Vulture promises to use spidey's amazing mutated genes to save his daguther but for some reason the vulture inserts himself into a 3rd chamber. Vulture regains the strength of a youth and is less wrinkled, hes somewhat young again but not fully.

Spidey tells Sandman that hes been tricked all along, the money was never spent in saving Sandman's daugther's life. The effects of the youth transfer is not permanent and is fading slowly, but Spidey is weakened by the procedure. The black suit is shown here to have a weakness against sonic vibrations from sound as the machine starts operating at full speed.

Sandman will brawl with the Vulture but somehow the Vulture gets the best of Sandman. Spidey is no match for the Vulture, but then Harry comes to save the day. Of course Harry dies.

At the end of the movie the suit that has made Spidey so overly aggressive and arrogant is taken off.

A humiliated Eddie Brock tries to redeem his lost job and career at the bulge by trying to expose Spidey, trying to get some better pics of him, and also he suspects that parker and Spidey are scratching each others back all along throughout the film. But the truth finally is revealed, Spidey is Parker, the black suit goes savagingly onto Eddie. Eddie Brock is sucked up into a cacoon like the victim of a Spider.

We then have an ending where MJ and Pete patch up their relationship, while crying over Harry. In in the final shot, the cacoon breaks, we have a teaser shot of Brock violently transforming into Venom.

 

[DACrowe]

Would it have been better? Maybe. Probably. I mean it was the movie Sam Raimi WANTED to make not the movie he WANTED to make sandwiched in with subplots he did not want. I also find it ironic that it was Avi Arad who suggested introducing Gwen, when Raimi originally wanted to use her in SM1 and he talked RAimi out of it saying that killing her at the climax of the movie would be too dark with Uncle Ben and Norman Osborn also dying (which sounds to me like Arad was just worried about his action figures then).

BUT

It doesn't matter. That movie will NEVER, EVER be made. You'll never see it. Hopefully you'll never read it (that's called a waste of time) and that is not what Spider-Man 3 is. What Spider-Man 3 is, is now in theaters. Accept that. Hate it, love it or like it despite its faults for all it got right (I being the latter).

Think whatever you want about it. But dwelling on what might have been or how you would have done it is a waste of time. I think, anyway.

 

[Go Web Go!]

You were saying?

"Never wound what you can't kill."

That's what Eddie says. Maybe it'll turn out to be true. He's alive...







...and floated away like Sandman.

 

[KappeiJin]

Yeah, and i'm the queen of England.

SM3 was focused highly on cheesiness and jazzin' humor.
I can accept it when it want to tell the old stories, where there was Sandman and Vulture. But not when it want to deal with Venom.
I don't care if the character was forced by Arad: i'm judging the result. As a dark side and Venom movie, it fails horribly. In the same way Raimi tried to fit Sandman (an ironic character) into a deep characterisation but with no realistic development (like Ock in SM2) that was also a failure.