Infinity War Who will die in Infinity war Part 1 and 2

[dyl1dyl]

is vision dead? Hearing a lot of speculation that Shuri heals him in Wakanda but cant take the stone out so he rejoins the battle and then gets killed, hence Wanda crying

 

[raised_fisT]

To answer your question: I think Loki is toast. Because of this line from Avengers 2012...

"If you fail, if the Tesseract is kept from us, there will be no realm, no barren moon, no crevasse where I can't find you. You think you know pain? He will make you long for that so sweet as pain."

I also think Drax is a goner because of this leaked scene here that that AscendedAncient person leaked before the first trailer was released...

Leaked
Scene

So those two characters I feel are probably going to meet their end.

...Still don't think Cap is going to, though.

I remember watching that scene a while back. I don't think the Guardians even get a chance to fight Thanos there. I feel like that scene is early on in the film before the Guardians even meet up with any Avengers.

And in the trailer, Drax is still with Starlord when he's "planning" with Stark and co. Although, we have been misled in trailers before.

I think we'll get a few notable deaths in IW.
I'm saying Loki , Nebula and Vision bite it.
Maybe we'll get Jarvis to return as Iron Man's A.I again.

In 4, I think Cap makes the sacrifice for Tony and the rest of the gang... but not before Stark gives him his Shield back. Tony ends up so distraught over the events, he retires. I think RDJ is too important to the MCU to just be gone forever. A few cameos and guest spots like in Homecoming should do the trick. I also think they might be setting up Doc Strange to be Spidey's new mentor, if they decide he still needs that.

Can't wait to see how wrong I am in about a month from now! t:

 

[Joefixit]

I remember watching that scene a while back. I don't think the Guardians even get a chance to fight Thanos there. I feel like that scene is early on in the film before the Guardians even meet up with any Avengers.

And in the trailer, Drax is still with Starlord when he's "planning" with Stark and co. Although, we have been misled in trailers before.

I think we'll get a few notable deaths in IW.
I'm saying Loki , Nebula and Vision bite it.
Maybe we'll get Jarvis to return as Iron Man's A.I again.

In 4, I think Cap makes the sacrifice for Tony and the rest of the gang... but not before Stark gives him his Shield back. Tony ends up so distraught over the events, he retires. I think RDJ is too important to the MCU to just be gone forever. A few cameos and guest spots like in Homecoming should do the trick. I also think they might be setting up Doc Strange to be Spidey's new mentor, if they decide he still needs that.

Can't wait to see how wrong I am in about a month
from now! t:

I’m with you on that. I’ve been saying just that the whole time. People are a crazy if they think they are killing Stark!

I just go a step further than you though and say it’s all those important side characters that bite it. Again for the record I’m calling

Bucky, Pepper, Rhoddy, Loki, Vision and Nebula. It’s going to be a head count for sure, but I can’t see them knocking off the Big 2.

 

[MbJ]

Okay, I'm confused- is there any character that people feel actually will die between these two films? Because it seems there's umpteenth explanations or excuses that resonate as to why a predicted character should live instead. They should just retire, Clint should be with his family, they should ride off into the sunset with the door open for them to return, Gamora's integral to the Guardians, killing Cap or Tony would be too risky, and so on.

So any character that people feel actually will be removed from the equation without inserting a 'Well, maybe' after that?

I'm convinced Iron Man dies in Avengers 4. Everything the Russos have been doing with him since then leads me to believe it's happening. He's been retired twice now and came back both times, and Civil War ended up having to include a scene where Tony admits he can't stay retired because he can't stop being Iron Man. So an ending where he retires to live happily with Pepper isn't gonna work.

Then you have him playing a mentor role for Peter, who hasn't had an onscreen Uncle Ben tragedy yet. It's also reported that despite his role in the first movie, RDJ will not be back for the next Spider-Man movie, which Feige has said takes place immediately after Avengers 4.

And then, finally, Tony's engagement to Pepper. Come on. That's almost as blatant as having Tony smile and say he's only one week away from retirement.

Add to it that his nightmare in Age of Ultron involved a scenario where he lived when all his friends died, Cap's speech about Stark not being the kind of man to make the sacrifice play in the first movie, and Feige repeatedly saying this is the end of the arc that began with the first Iron Man movie in 2008, and I think it's pretty clear where they're heading with this.

 

[dyl1dyl]

all over youtube and twitter, there are posts of the new tv spot with the title "death of vision trailer" or "end of vision trailer". Makes me wonder... Would disney really have allowed that if he really dies? Or is it some big misdirect?

 

[parkerpete]

I remember watching that scene a while back. I don't think the Guardians even get a chance to fight Thanos there. I feel like that scene is early on in the film before the Guardians even meet up with any Avengers.

And in the trailer, Drax is still with Starlord when he's "planning" with Stark and co. Although, we have been misled in trailers before.

I think we'll get a few notable deaths in IW.
I'm saying Loki , Nebula and Vision bite it.
Maybe we'll get Jarvis to return as Iron Man's A.I again.

In 4, I think Cap makes the sacrifice for Tony and the rest of the gang... but not before Stark gives him his Shield back. Tony ends up so distraught over the events, he retires. I think RDJ is too important to the MCU to just be gone forever. A few cameos and guest spots like in Homecoming should do the trick. I also think they might be setting up Doc Strange to be Spidey's new mentor, if they decide he still needs that.

Can't wait to see how wrong I am in about a month from now! t:

The best fan theory I've heard on these boards is that Stark dies, but uploads his consciousness so he becomes the new, improved 'jarvis' for the Avengers... so RDJ can still play a comic relief/mentor role as a hologram or whatever... which is a bit of a cheat but does make a lot of sense for the character.

I really do think that Cap is dead meat by the time A4 happens, because he's always been a man out of his own time, looking for closure. And I wouldn't be surprised if the writers find some way to use his death to 'reunite' him with Peggy in some way.

 

[Y0nder]

I'm convinced Iron Man dies in Avengers 4. Everything the Russos have been doing with him since then leads me to believe it's happening. He's been retired twice now and came back both times, and Civil War ended up having to include a scene where Tony admits he can't stay retired because he can't stop being Iron Man. So an ending where he retires to live happily with Pepper isn't gonna work.

Then you have him playing a mentor role for Peter, who hasn't had an onscreen Uncle Ben tragedy yet. It's also reported that despite his role in the first movie, RDJ will not be back for the next Spider-Man movie, which Feige has said takes place immediately after Avengers 4.

And then, finally, Tony's engagement to Pepper. Come on. That's almost as blatant as having Tony smile and say he's only one week away from retirement.

Add to it that his nightmare in Age of Ultron involved a scenario where he lived when all his friends died, Cap's speech about Stark not being the kind of man to make the sacrifice play in the first movie, and Feige repeatedly saying this is the end of the arc that began with the first Iron Man movie in 2008, and I think it's pretty clear where they're heading with this.

I agree with all of this, except the part where it will happen in A4. I think it will happen in this movie.

 

[KevTravels]

will anyone care if Pepper dies? I'm sure many will be cheering just so we don't see Paltrow again

 

[liveman789]

I remember watching that scene a while back. I don't think the Guardians even get a chance to fight Thanos there. I feel like that scene is early on in the film before the Guardians even meet up with any Avengers.

And in the trailer, Drax is still with Starlord when he's "planning" with Stark and co. Although, we have been misled in trailers before.

This is probably AFTER they meet up with Thor since Rocket and Groot aren't there with them. Then after this they may split up with Gamora, since she has yet to be seen on Titan.

 

[liveman789]

I agree with all of this, except the part where it will happen in A4. I think it will happen in this movie.

I kind of doubt that. Because they kind of need Tony and Cap to meet up again after Civil War. And I think Tony is going to be one of the few, if not the only one, not at the Wakanda battle.

 

[baerrtt]

Chris Evans is not coming back after A4 so some kind of the ending is required. Unfortunately his (or RDJ) death and other ones retirement would be "logical" from artistic perspective (kill all the characters people like and claim it to be artistic).

I agree though that removing both Cap and IM from the picture permanently for next Phase might be risky for MCU. Frankly speaking I am not sure whether any of the remaining heroes can keep the franchise live enough. OK, DS looks a bit like IM replacement but neither BP or SM is able to fit in the Cap's shoes. We have not seen Captain Marvel in action yet so it might be her to take the mantle. She fits description as idealistic soldier...

BP is a character whose solo film has made over a billion worldwide and is the top grossing superhero movie of all time( for now). The idea that character can't carry the 'franchise' is laughable.

 

[KevTravels]

bp is a character whose solo film has made over a billion worldwide and is the top grossing superhero movie of all time( for now). The idea that character can't carry the 'franchise' is laughable.

^this

 

[MbJ]

BP is a character whose solo film has made over a billion worldwide and is the top grossing superhero movie of all time( for now). The idea that character can't carry the 'franchise' is laughable.

I still don't understand why people seem to think Black Panther will not be a key player going forward.

 

[parkerpete]

I still don't understand why people seem to think Black Panther will not be a key player going forward.

Especially considering that he has the most richly developed world and supporting cast of any of the other newer franchise players.

http://forums.superherohype.com/images/smilies/comics_black_panther_01.gif

 

[KevTravels]

I def see Shuri and Okoye playing roles in other MCU films. Even if they're just an occasional cameo.

 

[MaceB]

will anyone care if Pepper dies? I'm sure many will be cheering just so we don't see Paltrow again

She's an easy target for sure.
I'd also guess that a Black Panther supporting character or two will go.
Captain America
Hawkeye
Sam Wilson?
Sif?
Maybe Nick Fury.

It seems like a good opportunity to cut some fat here, and I hope they take it. Make the next phase of MCU really different, relying on a new cast of characters.

 

[MbJ]

I really doubt Sif is gonna be in the movie at all, much less show up to die.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Can we add a "death poll" to this thread with all of the potential candidates? I feel like, now that we have a second trailer, it's easier to make some bets. After seeing what we'd seen, here are my predictions:

GONERS

Hawkeye: I don't believe he's appeared in either trailer. Doesn't necessarily mean he bites hit but it could. Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, though. I have nothing against Renner or the character, but I also don't find him very interesting and would rather more time be devoted to more prominent characters.

Pepper Potts: There's been some speculation that she could get killed. I hope not, but I could see that happening. Paltrow doesn't seem to want to stick around the MCU forever and her appearances have become more sparse.

Iron Man: RDJ is why the Marvel Universe took off in the first place, and they owe a lot to him. He clearly enjoys the role, but he's probably also ready to move on. I feel like this film needs a major character death, and while they seem to be telegraphing that it will be Cap (with Thanos crushing him and Evans saying he's "done" after these films), I think Stark will be the big, earth shattering death.

Wong: Dr. Strange is obviously safe, but I fear that his buddy Wong might not be. His death might also give Strange more of a personal stake in the battle.

Nebula: We've seen Nebula redeem herself (somewhat), turning from villain to hero. She still has a lot of blood on her hands though, and a huge grudge against her adoptive daddy. I see Nebula sacrificing herself to defeat Thanos.

Vision: It would be a shame to see Vision die, especially since he's still a relative newbie to this universe. But like the guys on Mr. Sunday Movies said, no one seems to be clamoring for a Vision movie. That might not matter, but he just seems like a cool character on the periphery that most people aren't all that invested in. I could see him not making it out, expecially since we see his Infinity Stone getting extracted in the trailer.

MAYBE GONERS

Captain America: If I'm wrong about Stark, then Cap is a goner. I just can't see both of them making it out of this film alive. Marvel promised that this movie would have real stakes, and that means taking out one of your biggest guns. At this point, the biggest guns Marvel has are Cap, Stark and Black Panther, and you know T'Challa is safe.

Bucky: If Cap survives, I think it's possible that Bucky doesn't. I know a lot of people assume he will take up the mantle of Cap like he did in the comics, and that could very well happen. But remember, Falcon also becomes Captain America as well, and I could see that happening in the movies. If Marvel feels the Cap/Bucky bromance has run its course and Evans isn't done after all, they might feel it's time to let Bucky go. If so, expect a sacrifice that will bring all the tears.

Falcon: Conversely, Falcon has been a little underutilized in his appearances post-Winter Soldier. I don't think that they'd kill him off yet, but if the plan is to make Bucky the new Cap, I don't know where that leaves Falcon.

Drax: I think all of the Guardians will make it out of this film (except Nebula, but she's not exactly a member). But Drax isn't too bright and he also has a score to settle with Thanos, and that's not a good combination. Plus I remember there being some reports that he might give up acting to go back to fighting. I find this unlikely; he's landed some roles in prominent films in the past few years, but who knows.

Thanos: Given all the talk of how Avengers 4 is totally different movie, I could see this being the end of the road for Thanos. That would be a shame though, since we've barely scratched the surface with this character. Obviously we'll get to know him here, but it still might not feel like enough.

 

[parkerpete]

Can we add a "death poll" to this thread with all of the potential candidates? I feel like, now that we have a second trailer, it's easier to make some bets. After seeing what we'd seen, here are my predictions:

GONERS

Hawkeye: I don't believe he's appeared in either trailer. Doesn't necessarily mean he bites hit but it could. Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, though. I have nothing against Renner or the character, but I also don't find him very interesting and would rather more time be devoted to more prominent characters.

Pepper Potts: There's been some speculation that she could get killed. I hope not, but I could see that happening. Paltrow doesn't seem to want to stick around the MCU forever and her appearances have become more sparse.

Iron Man: RDJ is why the Marvel Universe took off in the first place, and they owe a lot to him. He clearly enjoys the role, but he's probably also ready to move on. I feel like this film needs a major character death, and while they seem to be telegraphing that it will be Cap (with Thanos crushing him and Evans saying he's "done" after these films), I think Stark will be the big, earth shattering death.

Wong: Dr. Strange is obviously safe, but I fear that his buddy Wong might not be. His death might also give Strange more of a personal stake in the battle.

Nebula: We've seen Nebula redeem herself (somewhat), turning from villain to hero. She still has a lot of blood on her hands though, and a huge grudge against her adoptive daddy. I see Nebula sacrificing herself to defeat Thanos.

Vision: It would be a shame to see Vision die, especially since he's still a relative newbie to this universe. But like the guys on Mr. Sunday Movies said, no one seems to be clamoring for a Vision movie. That might not matter, but he just seems like a cool character on the periphery that most people aren't all that invested in. I could see him not making it out, expecially since we see his Infinity Stone getting extracted in the trailer.

MAYBE GONERS

Captain America: If I'm wrong about Stark, then Cap is a goner. I just can't see both of them making it out of this film alive. Marvel promised that this movie would have real stakes, and that means taking out one of your biggest guns. At this point, the biggest guns Marvel has are Cap, Stark and Black Panther, and you know T'Challa is safe.

Bucky: If Cap survives, I think it's possible that Bucky doesn't. I know a lot of people assume he will take up the mantle of Cap like he did in the comics, and that could very well happen. But remember, Falcon also becomes Captain America as well, and I could see that happening in the movies. If Marvel feels the Cap/Bucky bromance has run its course and Evans isn't done after all, they might feel it's time to let Bucky go. If so, expect a sacrifice that will bring all the tears.

Falcon: Conversely, Falcon has been a little underutilized in his appearances post-Winter Soldier. I don't think that they'd kill him off yet, but if the plan is to make Bucky the new Cap, I don't know where that leaves Falcon.

Drax: I think all of the Guardians will make it out of this film (except Nebula, but she's not exactly a member). But Drax isn't too bright and he also has a score to settle with Thanos, and that's not a good combination. Plus I remember there being some reports that he might give up acting to go back to fighting. I find this unlikely; he's landed some roles in prominent films in the past few years, but who knows.

Thanos: Given all the talk of how Avengers 4 is totally different movie, I could see this being the end of the road for Thanos. That would be a shame though, since we've barely scratched the surface with this character. Obviously we'll get to know him here, but it still might not feel like enough.

GONERS (in IW)
1. Vision. He's toast. But he also is the easiest to revive and that feels like a distinct possibility. Either way, he's gonna go out like a boss.

2. Nebula. She's going to intervene in Thanos' plan at a crucial moment, redeeming herself in death.

3. Loki. He's also going to try to bargain with the tesseract for the safety of the Asgardians. It's not gonna go well.

4. Nova Prime: Killing Glenn Close is maximum bang for a minor character.

5. Collector: See 'Nova Prime'.

MAYBE GONERS:

6. John C. Reilly. He's so likable and he has that cute pink family that got saved in GotG 1. Please don't make that meaningless. Get this man some plot armor!

7. Bucky. If Cap dies, Bucky will iive. But if Cap lives...

There will be some kind of cliffhanger regarding the fate of major characters between IW and A4. Which brings us to:

GONERS (in A4)

1. Tony Stark. He's gonna die and become the new A.I. that runs Avengers HQ. Also, he basically fills in the Uncle Ben role for Pete.

2. Cap. He's a man out of time, completing his arc with a noble sacrifice, reconciliation with Tony, and perhaps some kind of 'reunion' with Peggy.


SAFE (not counting Strange, Spidey, BP, Captain Marvel, Ant-Man and Wasp, who are all obviously safe for franchise reasons):

1. Hawkeye. He's cheap, doesn't need a lot of fancy effects work, and he's an original Avenger that can pop up occasionally for continuity with the new players. It's too predictable to kill Hawkeye. It's almost a running joke to keep him alive. He's safe.

2. Black Widow: Probably getting her own movie. Original female Avenger. Safe.

3. Scarlet Witch: Obviously being groomed for a bigger role in Avengers, especially since her relationship with Vision is going to be a focal point in IW.

4. Wong: Marvel is not gonna kill the only authentic asian actor in the Dr. Strange franchise. He's safe.

5. Valkyrie: Probably being groomed to become an Avenger eventually. Popular new female character with loads of potential. She's safe.

6. Pepper Potts. She's going to continue Tony's legacy, possibly pop up in the universe occasionally in the future.

7. Banner/Hulk. He'll either be cured, or perhaps become Hulk or a Hulk/Banner fusion forever and retire somewhere off-earth.

8. War Machine. His death has already been teased once, they're not gonna paralyze him just to kill him in the next movie. He's gonna retire and possibly play a back-up/cameo role in future movies. Will possibly run the September Foundation with Pepper.

9. Falcon. Probably going to be part of a partnership with Bucky after Cap gets clipped.

WHO KNOWS?

1. Korg and Miek.

 

[MbJ]

Falcon: Conversely, Falcon has been a little underutilized in his appearances post-Winter Soldier. I don't think that they'd kill him off yet, but if the plan is to make Bucky the new Cap, I don't know where that leaves Falcon.

Sidekick. He and Stan have great chemistry.

 

[KevTravels]

I can't see them killing off Falcon, but then again it would be a huge shock as he's a fan fav. I don't know anyone who doesn't somewhat like him in some form.

 

[KevTravels]

I wanna say Bucky will def bite the bullet.

He's at the end of his arc. Redemption. I don't see he or Falcon becoming Captain America.

 

[Joefixit]

Just a thought, what if they said that one person on each of those posters ( just released ) will die . I wonder what the reaction or speculation would be to that . I don’t think that’s the case though and stick to my original prediction:

Bucky
Pepper
War Machine
Lokie
Nebula
Vision

Every main character will probably lose someone significant to them

 

[MbJ]

I can't see them hinging all of the deaths on minor or sidekick characters. It's the same reason I knew they weren't gonna kill Rhodey in Civil War.

 

[Joefixit]

I can't see them hinging all of the deaths on minor or sidekick characters. It's the same reason I knew they weren't gonna kill Rhodey in Civil War.

Those are above just minor characters . Those are characters that shape the main characters outlook on the world itself. If they go, you effectively alter the main characters . Tony without Pepper, Cap without Bucky! Thor without Loki ! That’s huge as far as the MCU goes..