Who will kill Maxwell Lord?

[Steelsheen]

I don't think Lord would die, just lose or go to jail. I serously doubt they would have WW or Batman snap Lords neck in this movie.

they could shoot two versions of it, like the way they did for the end of The Phantom Menace.

 

[larryfilmmaker]

I'd like it better if Batman does the killing. His detective skills will lead him to the conclusion that the only way one can save Wonder Woman from Superman (and all in all the whole world from Supermans rage) is to kill Lord. And so be it.

It makes more sence having Batman do the killing. A Superman vs. Batman fight would not last more then a minute, with one of them winning (Bats being squashed or Bats using Kryptonite for a quick victory). But Superman vs. WonderWoman could go on for a while, giving Batman the chance to figure out how to stop Lord. So it makes more sence to have Bats do the Maxkilling, rather then WW.

dude I agree and the thought of this scene sounds AMAZING. Batman struggling with whether or not to kill Maxwell as Wonder Woman is being beaten to death. It's one death or the other... and he has to make the call. great drama

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

dude I agree and the thought of this scene sounds AMAZING. Batman struggling with whether or not to kill Maxwell as Wonder Woman is being beaten to death. It's one death or the other... and he has to make the call. great drama

great drama but he wouldnt do it just like he wouldnt shoot alex luthor in infinite crisis.

 

[super85]

I would very much prefer that this scene (if it actually is in the script like rumoured) would be done as in the comicbook. And I'd like to see Wonder Woman snapping Lords neck, "wonder woman being beaten almost to death!" would another typical way to make women useless in superherofilms again, I'm tired of that. A pissed of Wonder Woman should be awesome sight. Its the first time Wonder Woman is in a film, I want her to be powerful and have that dark warrior edge that she sometimes shows.

 

[shadowdog]

If Superman and WW do end up duking it out- I hope she holds her own and the fight doesn't get portrayed as a bloodbath. People who only know the Linda Carter WW will probably think she's no match for Superman, but we all know better.
If she's not going to kill Max Lord, she should at the very east be able to hold her own against Supes- or she'll suck in this movie!

 

[KBX]

If Superman and WW do end up duking it out- I hope she holds her own and the fight doesn't get portrayed as a bloodbath. People who only know the Linda Carter WW will probably think she's no match for Superman, but we all know better.
If she's not going to kill Max Lord, she should at the very east be able to hold her own against Supes- or she'll suck in this movie!

I want Supes to beat up WW, want him to destroy Batman, and it will have to take the whole damn league to stop him.

 

[KBX]

they could shoot two versions of it, like the way they did for the end of The Phantom Menace.

True.... I am also hoping this movie gets a PG13 rating, not just PG

 

[shadowdog]

I agree ^
That PG13 will make a huge diffence in a flick like this one.

 

[Steelsheen]

If Superman and WW do end up duking it out- I hope she holds her own and the fight doesn't get portrayed as a bloodbath. People who only know the Linda Carter WW will probably think she's no match for Superman, but we all know better.
If she's not going to kill Max Lord, she should at the very east be able to hold her own against Supes- or she'll suck in this movie!

agreed

it should be quite a spectacle to watch DC's strongest hero and heroine duke it out, heck that should be worth the price of the ticket alone, but if they dont want it over in 5 seconds WW's power level should stay true to comics-- and that means she should be able to hold her ground for a good long while (or at least until there arent any buildings left standing ) before Superman starts wearing her down.

I would very much prefer that this scene (if it actually is in the script like rumoured) would be done as in the comicbook. And I'd like to see Wonder Woman snapping Lords neck, "wonder woman being beaten almost to death!" would another typical way to make women useless in superherofilms again, I'm tired of that. A pissed of Wonder Woman should be awesome sight. Its the first time Wonder Woman is in a film, I want her to be powerful and have that dark warrior edge that she sometimes shows.

you know, in the OMAC story, the fight leading up to Lord's demise was a Superman vs Wonder Woman battle royale, but in the earlier part of the tale it was Batman vs Superman. i was just wondering, to bring it all together, why not have a Superman vs WW-Batman tag team, then boils down to Supes vs Bats fight to the death then WW making the hard decision and snaps Lord's neck?

 

[Iceburgeruk]

I`m not sure they should follow the Omac Project story so literally though.

I mean who here really thinks the best way to start the JLA franchise is by showing wonder woman as a cold blooded killer?

In Infinite Crisis they have her kill lord so that by the end of the plot she changes and talks batman out of killing alex luthor. It was a plot prgression like the one in the movie daredevil. Hero kills at begining of plot, struggles with their views and by the end chooses not to kill.

But if you finish the movie with her killing then you aren`t having her go through a character arc you are simply making her a murderer. And what with there being no wonder woman movie on the cards does anyone really want them to make a justice league film where the genral impression the public will get is that wonder woman is a crazed maniac.

Maxwell Lord should be arrested. To end the film with wonder woman killing him is not heroic. A justice league movie should represent what we love about the jla the fact there are like a new age pantheon, a group of noble heroes banding together against an evil threat. Ending the film with awoman who could stop a train with her fist murdering an average human who is tied down hardly makes me think of heroism.

You might as well have dark knight film end with batman throttling the joker to death with a sick grin on his face.

 

[Wally West]

I`m not sure they should follow the Omac Project story so literally though.

I mean who here really thinks the best way to start the JLA franchise is by showing wonder woman as a cold blooded killer?

In Infinite Crisis they have her kill lord so that by the end of the plot she changes and talks batman out of killing alex luthor. It was a plot prgression like the one in the movie daredevil. Hero kills at begining of plot, struggles with their views and by the end chooses not to kill.

But if you finish the movie with her killing then you aren`t having her go through a character arc you are simply making her a murderer. And what with there being no wonder woman movie on the cards does anyone really want them to make a justice league film where the genral impression the public will get is that wonder woman is a crazed maniac.

Maxwell Lord should be arrested. To end the film with wonder woman killing him is not heroic. A justice league movie should represent what we love about the jla the fact there are like a new age pantheon, a group of noble heroes banding together against an evil threat. Ending the film with awoman who could stop a train with her fist murdering an average human who is tied down hardly makes me think of heroism.

You might as well have dark knight film end with batman throttling the joker to death with a sick grin on his face.

Audiences won't think WW is a lunatic for snapping Maxell Lord's neck, while he's mind controling superman and more than likely responsible for Barry's death. Killing the bad guy is not a shocking hollywood climax in the least. Max lord is not an ordinary human, and even if he's tied down, it's not his arms and legs that make him dangerous, his mind is his weapon.

This whole heros never killing thing gets a bit ridiculous. I understand and support the theory that they wouldn't take a life unless there was no other way, but what bothers me most about comic heros NEVER killing is that it is spawned from censorship of the comic idustry some 50 + years ago.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

Audiences won't think WW is a lunatic for snapping Maxell Lord's neck, while he's mind controling superman and more than likely responsible for Barry's death. Killing the bad guy is not a shocking hollywood climax in the least. Max lord is not an ordinary human, and even if he's tied down, it's not his arms and legs that make him dangerous, his mind is his weapon.

1) This whole heros never killing thing gets a bit ridiculous. I understand and support the theory that they wouldn't take a life unless there was no other way, but what bothers me most about comic heros NEVER killing is that it is spawned from censorship of the comic idustry some 50 + years ago.

No it is spawned by the fact we have a justice system and the only thing that sets super-heroes apart from psycho vigilantes is that they do not believe that is their right to decide upon the fates of others.

If the justice league start killing their foes then they lose their moral high ground. How can superman decry lex luthor killing 1 woman if superman has just blown up 30 terrorists with his heat vision.

Its a muddy path. A super hero killing the super villain states that they believe they know better than the law. It states that they believe they are above the laws which we live by. And with such a view going they would not be heroes any more.
2)The whole NO KILLING rule is more mature and sensible than you think. Why does commisioner Gorden let a masked vigilante run around his city? Because batman cataches the villains and hands them over to gotham police to have them put on trial for their crimes. Now if batman killed the joker instead of arresting him, Commisioner Gorden would have to have batman arrested.

This is in the same way that in the real world have-a-go-heroes are celebrated and revered while murderous vigilantes are condemned and incarcerated.

If super-heroes started killing super-villains then society would not be able to stand for it. Which is why the NO KILLING bit exists because if super-heroes killed they would become criminals in the eyes of the law.

3) The killing Maxwell Lord bit worked in the comics because we as long running fans with hundreds of appearances and stories of WW which we had experienced could see how far wonder woman had been pushed in feeling she had to kill him. But considering this is essentially a fresh start I think it would be a bad move to start with Wonder Woman killing someone. People in the auidence might think that Wonder Woman is like the punisher and that she does that kind of thing all the time. I mean the last time the general public saw wonder woman was in the tv series so most prob don`t know what the character does or behave like in the comics.

I mean yes further down the line raise the point in another film. But this is a film which should be establishing the characters and Wonder Woman doesn`t kill villains every time she fights one. The maxwell lord story was a one off character arc. By putting the killing in the film it means you are representing all wonder woman`s appearances through that one event. Its misleading and it seems to put a bad spin on the character.

 

[The Guard]

Diana killing Lord in the comics didn't work because it was out of character for Diana, rather it worked because of what it led into for the DC Universe, heroes finding themselves and rededicating themselves to a set of ideals. Diana killing Lord in the movie is just remaining faithful to that storyline.

Either way has possibilities, but if they're showing Diana as she has been developed in the comics, it makes sense for her to kill Lord. It would be someone with power doing what they felt they had to do to save lives.

 

[Chucktallica101]

I will kill Maxwell Lord.

 

[larryfilmmaker]

agreed

it should be quite a spectacle to watch DC's strongest hero and heroine duke it out, heck that should be worth the price of the ticket alone, but if they dont want it over in 5 seconds WW's power level should stay true to comics-- and that means she should be able to hold her ground for a good long while (or at least until there arent any buildings left standing ) before Superman starts wearing her down.





you know, in the OMAC story, the fight leading up to Lord's demise was a Superman vs Wonder Woman battle royale, but in the earlier part of the tale it was Batman vs Superman. i was just wondering, to bring it all together, why not have a Superman vs WW-Batman tag team, then boils down to Supes vs Bats fight to the death then WW making the hard decision and snaps Lord's neck?

Honestly, if it's just Supes vs. Bats it's going to be very annoying to watch unless you are a rabid Batman fan and hate Superman. They are both great characters but a mortal man in a bat costume wearing a robot suit is nothing different than the 9 billion goons that Lex has sent after Supes. Batman vs. Superman needs to end FAST. Maybe Bat pulls the kryptonite trick for a few seconds, giving it some cool story and imagery, but it needs to be made clear that Batman is being brutally destroyed to have more impact on the audience. Watching him hold his own for more than a minute is going to have audience members going "well why doesn't SUperman just flatten himl ike a pancake?" "Why doesn't Superman just freeze breath him?" "Heat vision him?" "Punch a hole through him", etc. If you have to dumb one character down and overpower the other to make them fight, it loses it's sense of realism.

 

[Sun_Down]

I think that if this is going to be targetted at a younger audience, they may not want to present the League as killers. They might want to present a more moral message. But that's just a thought.

 

[ddm92392]

Maybe PG-13 or something but Batman would be kinda cool if he killed him but I would still perfer WW with a nice crack! sound.

 

[omicron]

Lets look at this realistically.......Diana is thousands of years old. The reason that story line was written is that she has learned Amazon history, her Mother was dominated by Heracles, and she almost killed him. Batman plays by societies rules, she does not. Her history out dates ours by quite some time, she has always been portrayed as a character that is out of her element, it is an important aspect of that character, of any of the JL she would be the first one to think, "Is killing him the solution?" And she would be the first one to come to the conclusion.......Yes! On a lighter note I want to see her fight Superman to a standstill, how wonderful would that be? It's not the costume that turns us all on, it is her power and her female strength that entrances us!

 

[Sun_Down]

Lets look at this realistically.......Diana is thousands of years old. The reason that story line was written is that she has learned Amazon history, her Mother was dominated by Heracles, and she almost killed him. Batman plays by societies rules, she does not. Her history out dates ours by quite some time, she has always been portrayed as a character that is out of her element, it is an important aspect of that character, of any of the JL she would be the first one to think, "Is killing him the solution?" And she would be the first one to come to conclusion.......Yes! On a lighter note I want to see her fight Superman to a standstill, how wonderful would that be? It's not the costume that turns us all on, it is her power and her female strength that entrances us!

Well when it comes to Linda Carter, it was mostly the cleavage.

 

[NinjaGye]

If Batman does the killing I will get up and walk out.