Why all the hate over the flag shot?

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

no it doesn't. as long as people can have a civil discussion, there is no reason to close this thread.

Yes there is. It's an entire thread about people whining because there was a flag on a building in a city thats in the country that the flag represents. It's stupid. It really is. If you were spider-man and in manhattan and right now swung onto a building ledge or roof, there would be a flag no more than 5 feet from your person.

God.

 

[Nathan]

Why the hate?

Because there are alot of Un-Americans out there......that's why......

lol, ya know...I think this is ****ing funny as hell. Why wasn't there any complaints the last two films when we had American flag shots when Spidey was flying around?

And, it's even funnier when you consider that Superman was attacked for being "Un-American" because Perry White (Perry White....not Superman....but Perry White) didn't say the "And American Way" line........and now Spidey's being pegged for being.....what? Too American??!!!

It's got nothing to do with hating america or anything. It's just that the scene felt totally out of place. Again, if he would've jumped in front of a flag during the Spider-Man Parade Day, no one would complain.

But having him land in front of a big, honking, flag right before the final battle was so utterly cheesy.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Let break it down here

Spidey/Peter is american

Spidey's suit is Red, White & Blue color's of (The American Flag)

Spidey's home is in New York city .

I see no problem with Spidey representing the American Flag .

 

[Man-E-Toys]

Yes there is. It's an entire thread about people whining because there was a flag on a building in a city thats in the country that the flag represents. It's stupid. It really is. If you were spider-man and in manhattan and right now swung onto a building ledge or roof, there would be a flag no more than 5 feet from your person.

God.

i made this thread to ask why people were whining about the flag. i have no problem with it. i live in NY and i know there are flags everywhere.

 

[Cyrusbales]

The reason people don't like the shot, is that it's uneccessary, it doesn't flow, it's like Raimi just stuck it in there because and it jars a little bit, rather than seeming like part of the film.

 

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

and so far all their answers are really horrid.

other than it being a cheesey moment (which I agree)

why say its unlikely to happen or shouldnt have been?

Sam Raimi directs his movies to be cheesey on purpose. Thats his style.

no one else has figured this out since his first movies?

 

[Nathan]

Sam Raimi directs his movies to be cheesey on purpose. Thats his style.

no one else has figured this out since his first movies?

Because so far, everything else he's done in the previous 2 movies was humour oriented cheese. The flag in the Final battle was just cheese.

 

[Spider - Man]

The reason people don't like the shot, is that it's uneccessary, it doesn't flow, it's like Raimi just stuck it in there because and it jars a little bit, rather than seeming like part of the film.

Ok, are you saying that the shot would have "flowed" if the flag hadn't been in it but everything else in it was exactly the same? Without the flag, it flows. With the flag, it jars. I just don't see it.

 

[Nathan]

Ok, are you saying that the shot would have "flowed" if the flag hadn't been in it but everything else in it was exactly the same? Without the flag, it flows. With the flag, it jars. I just don't see it.

The entire scene should've been gone. He comes swinging, then suddenly lands on a building and runs a few steps, and then swings again. It should've been one seamless swing.

 

[demitri_vampiro]

Are you....are you daft?

i am saying that you can say that you are proud of some achievement or you are proud how something you were working on turned out. you can't be proud of something that just happens.

 

[Spider - Man]

Okay, one was a tongue in cheek gag, one wasn't. One was an element of a carefully thought sequence (ie. done for real), one was an afterthought (ie. CGI). One was an extension of character, one wasn't.

Y'see, Bond actually fights for England as part of her majesty's secret service, whereas Spidey is supposed to represent the everyman.

Anyway, it's not like I passionately hate the shot, I just can't see any of the logic behind it's inclusion.

So, if an element is cg, it must be an 'afterthought' instead of a 'carefully thought out' way to make the flag look exactly the way it was meant to look or allow people who didn't want to see it in that shot to remove it (because the director, though knowing he had every right to put whatever he wanted in his film, had enough forethought to realize that some people would whine about the presence of the flag and make an easy way for it to be removed if necessary)?

An extension of the character? Oh, you mean Bond. Who actually fights for England. As part of her majesty's secret service. Who had just narrowly escaped death from enemy agents, is trying to get out of sight, plunges off a cliff, and so inconspicuously pops a red, white, and blue Union Jack parachute so that any other agents in the area would have no problem spotting him! Exactly what the intelligent Brittish superspy would have done! The last thing Bond would want is that big flag chute clearly marking his presence and location. It was done to gratuitously link Bond with Brittain. But I think you said that you're English, so that's alright then. America+Spider-man = Nooooooo! Bond+Brittain = Ok because you're English. Good one.

How exactly is Spider-man more of an "everyman" than Bond? A nerdy genius who can climb sheer walls and shoot webs from his hands I'd argue is less an everyman than a suave English secret agent.

As to your last statement, I guess I took your comments about American flags in an American neighborhood being intimidating and how the only good the American flag in the shot we're discussing could do is piss off the rest of the world (you know, everything else that isn't in America) to mean you just had a problem with the American flag, but I guess that your position about the flag really is only how you think its inclusion in that shot is illogical. So I refer you back to my earlier staement: Americans like to see Spider-man linked with the American flag because he's American just like Brittish people like to see Bond linked with the Brittish flag because he's Brittish. 'Nuff said!

 

[Miguel]

uhh wtf does sancrosanct mean

lolz, mispelling

sac·ro·sanct

/ˈsæk

roʊˌsæŋkt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sak-roh-sangkt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1.extremely sacred or inviolable: a sacrosanct chamber in the temple. 2.not to be entered or trespassed upon: She considered her home office sacrosanct. 3.above or beyond criticism, change, or interference: a manuscript deemed sacrosanct.

The entire scene should've been gone. He comes swinging, then suddenly lands on a building and runs a few steps, and then swings again. It should've been one seamless swing.

I'm glad you along with the others see this. It ain't a big deal, really, but it's bizarre that no one notices how forced it was. It seriously was shoved in there.

All the people who keep ranting about how it's some anti-American sentiment to laugh at the scene, for the thousandth time... it would have been fine in the Key to the City acceptance scene.

It worked in SM1 or 2. That was an example of a good flag shot. This was not.

 

[Spider - Man]

The entire scene should've been gone. He comes swinging, then suddenly lands on a building and runs a few steps, and then swings again. It should've been one seamless swing.

Well, that's just your opinion just as the fact that I think the shot was fine is mine. But the truth is that Spidey does touch down between swings once in a while AEB the flagpole shot at the end of Spidey 1. But maybe you're saying that if he had just had one big continuous swing past the American flag, that would've been ok with you, and not 'jarred'.

 

[Nathan]

I'm glad you along with the others see this. It ain't a big deal, really, but it's bizarre that no one notices how forced it was. It seriously was shoved in there.

Especially when you see the same crowd turning around twice. That scene was cut all kinds of wrong.

 

[Buttman]

Being English, I honestly felt left-out by that shot. It felt like the film-makers were trying to say to the rest of the world "He's OUR hero, not yours." Why didn't he swing past the UN flag? Hell, why did he swing past a flag at all? Why must you all be so selfish with a character you had no involvement in creating, instead of sharing him with the rest of the world?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I loved the flag scene in this film. like Kal-El 8 said, Spidey represents the flag so thats one of the reasons it was nessicary for the flag to be there. afterall he is a super hero and he is in America.

 

[Nathan]

Well, that's just your opinion just as the fact that I think the shot was fine is mine. But the truth is that Spidey does touch down between swings once in a while AEB the flagpole shot at the end of Spidey 1. But maybe you're saying that if he had just had one big continuous swing past the American flag, that would've been ok with you, and not 'jarred'.

Swinging past the flag would've probably been better. As much as I think that the flag scene was cheesy, it's actual the landing that was ruining the entire pace of the scene.

In Spider-Man 1 it was ok for him to land on the flagpole, because he was making his final swing towards the camera.

 

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

Being English, I honestly felt left-out by that shot. It felt like the film-makers were trying to say to the rest of the world "He's OUR hero, not yours." Why didn't he swing past the UN flag? Hell, why did he swing past a flag at all? Why must you all be so selfish with a character you had no involvement in creating, instead of sharing him with the rest of the world?

oh boy. if you wanna go down that route he was created in america for an american audience. They had no intention of having Spidey distributed anywhere else until he got as big as he did.

 

[IHateFanBoys]

I totally just noticed the other day they removed the flag from the shot in the tv trailer here in canada too, I personaly have nothing against americans and totally not getting into who hates who cause this is a dissucssion board about comic book movies, but I think the shot may have worked if the flag was a bit smaller.

 

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

i am saying that you can say that you are proud of some achievement or you are proud how something you were working on turned out. you can't be proud of something that just happens.

So you're saying I can't be proud of being black? That "just happened". I had no control over that.

 

[Spider - Man]

Being English, I honestly felt left-out by that shot. It felt like the film-makers were trying to say to the rest of the world "He's OUR hero, not yours." Why didn't he swing past the UN flag? Hell, why did he swing past a flag at all? Why must you all be so selfish with a character you had no involvement in creating, instead of sharing him with the rest of the world?

OMG, this is unbelievable.

Left out? Did you feel 'left out' because he was in NY instead of London?

Our hero, not yours? I didn't make him American, he was already that way when I was born, and you're right, I had nothing to do with it. And neither did you. He's American beyond both of our ability to control. If the big, bad Raimi hadn't put in that nasty ol' shot of the American flag, would you have been better able to hold onto your illusion that Spider-man is (fill in your nationality here)?

Selfish instead of sharing? How are "we" not sharing? He's not "mine" to share or not share. And did you have to come to the States to see this movie? I thought "we" "shared" the movie with the rest of the world, hense the movie breaking all previous WORLD-WIDE RELEASE RECORDS! In fact, if I'm not mistaken, every other country got to see this movie before America. Amazing! And I thought we had some crybabies over HERE!


If I were you, I'd go crawl back into grandmum's basement from embarrassment. I know I've gotten a bit bent out of shape on here (I tend to do that when people want to berate America because of the actions of some) but I've tried to stay as civil as possible. But I have to say, your's may truly be the stupidest, most pathetic post I have ever read. You should be slapped and sterilized.

 

[Man-E-Toys]

Being English, I honestly felt left-out by that shot. It felt like the film-makers were trying to say to the rest of the world "He's OUR hero, not yours." Why didn't he swing past the UN flag? Hell, why did he swing past a flag at all? Why must you all be so selfish with a character you had no involvement in creating, instead of sharing him with the rest of the world?

why must you generalize? you're also assuming the film makers intent. we don't know what Raimi's meaning was for that shot. i personally have no problem with the rest of the world embracing spider-man. i could care less. but i do have a problem when people moan and groan because they see an american flag.

 

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

OMG, this is unbelievable.

Left out? Did you feel 'left out' because he was in NY instead of London?

Our hero, not yours? I didn't make him American, he was already that way when I was born, and you're right, I had nothing to do with it. And neither did you. He's American beyond both of our ability to control. If the big, bad Raimi hadn't put in that nasty ol' shot of the American flag, would you have been better able to hold onto your illusion that Spider-man is (fill in your nationality here)?

Selfish instead of sharing? How are "we" not sharing? He's not "mine" to share or not share. And did you have to come to the States to see this movie? I thought "we" "shared" the movie with the rest of the world, hense the movie breaking all previous WORLD-WIDE RELEASE RECORDS! In fact, if I'm not mistaken, every other country got to see this movie before America. Amazing! And I thought we had some crybabies over HERE!


If I were you, I'd go crawl back into grandmum's basement from embarrassment. I know I've gotten a bit bent out of shape on here (I tend to do that when people want to berate America because of the actions of some) but I've tried to stay as civil as possible. But I have to say, your's may truly be the stupidest, most pathetic post I have ever read. You should be slapped and sterilized.

t:

 

[Miguel]

Parker doesn't really represent the flag. If you want someone that's definitively supports "America, the government or ideal" then that's Supes.

Peter's just a guy who has his eye on the people around him. Take that comic event of civil war for an example.

Swinging past the flag would've probably been better. As much as I think that the flag scene was cheesy, it's actual the landing that was ruining the entire pace of the scene.

In Spider-Man 1 it was ok for him to land on the flagpole, because he was making his final swing towards the camera.

This is the way that the flag scene looked to me: Just like Peter doing his emo-hair as a story device to let the audience (more than =P) know that there was something "different" and "going on" with Peter, it works the same here. Peter removes the symbiote, finds his apartment, puts on the red and blues, and then swings past the flag.

So what's Raimi saying? After all the crap stuff he did to people, he's now a good guy again? That was the purpose of it, I saw, to signal "Spidey's back" to people - which was obvious.

I agree that the pause definitely jerked the pure filming experience of it, that's for sure. The symbolism and what it meant to communicate was just simple and funny to me though. We knew already that he was 'coming back', we didn't need an American flag behind him to know that he was "a good guy".

 

[Nathan]

So what's Raimi saying? After all the crap stuff he did to people, he's now a good guy again? That was the purpose of it, I saw, to signal "Spidey's back" to people - which was obvious.

I agree that the pause definitely jerked the pure filming experience of it, that's for sure. The symbolism and what it meant to communicate was just simple and funny to me though. We knew already that he was 'coming back', we didn't need an American flag behind him to know that he was "a good guy".

Man, that's how I felt about that scene too, but didn#t really know how to express it. As if it's not obvious enough, he has to whack us with the flag over the head so that even the dumbest person gets the hint that Peter came around again.