Why all the hate over the flag shot?

[CARNAGE-COMETH]

Deal with it Americans and Non-Americans.

Spider-Man is definately a Bush supporter.

Stan Lee is American too by the way what a crazy coincidence.

 

[Spider - Man]

Back to crazy spidey talk, Maybe I didn't read through all 10 pages of this thread but I don't get the arguing that you guys have over this scene atleast pertaining to the american flag but if its about the entire final battle royale then I apologize for not getting why everyones *****in.

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Some on here just think the shot is cheesy because they think Spidey actually stops to pose in front of the flag on his way to rescue MJ. I don't think he stopped and posed. I think he landed in a crouch, stood and began running. But that is a matter of each person's opinion whether it was lame or not. Then there are those who say it is the context of the shot, i.e.: where in the movie it was placed. Once again, I fail to see the distiction, but once more, a matter of opinion.

Then there are people from other nationalities who felt 'left-out' because the shot linked Spider-Man with America and made them feel like 'outsiders', like Raimi wanted to make sure that they wouldn't be able to identify with Spidey because he was rubbing their faces in the fact that Spidey is American. It is with this latter group that I have been addressing my posts. fg has tried to cover his tracks by saying that he is only of the 'cheesines' and 'out of context' camps, but if you read his other posts about how the shot causes umbrage for people in other countries (which he is one of), that American flags in an American neighborhood could be intimidating to someone who lived there but was from another country (forced to live there against their will, no doubt, adding to the intimidation), and that the only purpose the shot could serve was to piss off the rest of the world, you can see where his real problem lies.

And that's this thread in a nutshell.

 

[Cyrusbales]

There is no need for him to stop on the building, this is somethign he doesn't really need to do. If he just swang straight into the construction site, that would have made more sense, instead of stopping things and going "look look, look what i did, woop woop america". In the parade, thats where they should have had the flag if they wanted it to be hugely focused on.

Although I hated the idea of the parade anyway.

 

[sundaycall]

Lol. Oh dear. this thread has really gotten outta hand hasn't it?

I see some people are sayin that "Spider-man isn't posing in front an American Flag, that he just happened to land on a roof that bore the american flag and it's only a 2-second shot"....

What, like it happened by accident?!? This shot was actually constructed, arranged and framed by professional hollywood film makers and some people are treating it like it was this harmless little bit of woops.

And others have mentioned the Bond Union Flag parachute and citing that no one complained then...well, besides bond being a government agent, Roger Moores films being a bit daft, and the fact he skiied away from some baddies and then parachuted off a cliff...I think the bond example is supposed to be firm tongue in cheek humour. Whereas with Spider-man 3, I think this was genuine attempt at straight faced, lump your throat, 'salute old glory soldier!' inspiration.

That's why it sucks.

 

[CARNAGE-COMETH]

Some on here just think the shot is cheesy because they think Spidey actually stops to pose in front of the flag on his way to rescue MJ. I don't think he stopped and posed. I think he landed in a crouch, stood and began running. But that is a matter of each person's opinion whether it was lame or not. Then there are those who say it is the context of the shot, i.e.: where in the movie it was placed. Once again, I fail to see the distiction, but once more, a matter of opinion.

Then there are people from other nationalities who felt 'left-out' because the shot linked Spider-Man with America and made them feel like 'outsiders', like Raimi wanted to make sure that they wouldn't be able to identify with Spidey because he was rubbing their faces in the fact that Spidey is American. It is with this latter group that I have been addressing my posts. fg has tried to cover his tracks by saying that he is only of the 'cheesines' and 'out of context' camps, but if you read his other posts about how the shot causes umbrage for people in other countries (which he is one of), that American flags in an American neighborhood could be intimidating to someone who lived there but was from another country (forced to live there against their will, no doubt, adding to the intimidation), and that the only purpose the shot could serve was to piss off the rest of the world, you can see where his real problem lies.

And that's this thread in a nutshell.

I don't know but to me personally it's a non-issue. I think it's obvious to anyone who's seen it that Raimi was giving a shot out to the good old US of A. Thats cool with me doesn't sway me positive or negative in anyway.

Now if people who are not american dont like it well to bad for them they dont live in the greatest country in the world.

I mean if an american man wants to make a movie about a fictional american hero in an american city. He has all the right in the world to celebrate his nation, its his vehicle he can steer it where he wants.

Now if the seen wasnt in the movie at all I would feel the same way. I didnt need the flag to be there and it wouldnt affect me if it is or isnt there.

It was 2 seconds of an american shout out by raimi that may not have been so logical or suttle to foreighners.

So what deal with it and look at the rest of the movie. Dont judge it by some american homerism. If it was an Union Jack or whatever nations flag from the complainers country they would love it or not even notice it.

Listen of course it was blatant and of course Raimi wanted to make americans feel proud and patriotic. Dont like it move to america or fast forward past that seen. t:

 

[Cyrusbales]

it's a case of the incongruety with the rest of the scene. If it's detaching the audience from the scene in some way, then it's not going to be a good scene whatever it was. If there was no flag, or a different flag or a biullboard or anything, it still would have sucked because it was bringing things out of the scene.

 

[Neptune]

The flag shot was forced and distracting. Why do we need to be reminded again that Spiderman is american? Does that make him more of a hero? I sure don't think so.

 

[terry78]

Spida-Man! **** Yeah! Comin' again to save the mutha****in' day, yeah!

 

[CARNAGE-COMETH]

The flag shot was forced and distracting. Why do we need to be reminded again that Spiderman is american? Does that make him more of a hero? I sure don't think so.

Yes he is more of a hero because he's American.

nah serously I don't think the shot is good just because the cgi of the flag is horrible its not naturally waving.

But if im going to biatch and moan about anything wrong with this movie the flag scene is like on the bottom of my complaints.

It really doesn't bother me for that split second but it does look like bad cgi. If raimi could of made it more natural looking flag then maybe people wouldn't even notice at all.

Theres just wayyy to many things wrong with this movie to complain about then a little patrism from an american director who is showing a country that is in war some pride, thats all it was.

Lets talk about the script now theres problems.

 

[CARNAGE-COMETH]

Spida-Man! **** Yeah! Comin' again to save the mutha****in' day, yeah!

LOL! LMAO!

I bet Kim Jong IL was cursing at the screen like a mutha when he saw spiderman 3.

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[Thot]

For me, the "flag scene" was a great moment. It made me think of some of the iconic comic book "pose" illustrations I loved as a kid. Very heroic and patriotic but not pandering. Great movie! Bring on SM:4!

 

[demitri_vampiro]

So you're saying I can't be proud of being black? That "just happened". I had no control over that.

yeah, that's what i'm saying.

 

[Man-E-Toys]

You didn't respond to mine. You just posted a knee-jerk reaction without actually taking the time to bother with the context.

i guess i have to pull the quotes to show that i clearly responded to your statement.
you said this...

No, but it could be construed as intimidating. Imagine if you were the only non-American living there...

and i replied with this...

are you serious...intimidating? that is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. if you're a foreigner and you go to another country you shouldn't be intimidated or surprised when you see flags that represent that country. i'm sure america isn't the only country where people display flags.

then instead of replying with some rational thought, you decide to post some idiotic nonsensical picture.

you obviously have something against America and are just trying to get a rise out of people. anyway, i'm not going to continue this any further as i'm obviously talking to a brick wall. besides i think my conversation deserves better than someone who talks like this...

If they cut out the reporter, then I hope they also cut out that GAY lingering shot of the American flag.

 

[chaseter]

Get over it...it's a flag and it had nothing to do with the plot.

 

[Spider - Man]

But sadly, you don't.

I haven't changed 'tacks' you massive spastic. It IS cheesy, it IS out of place. Also, not once have I said that it was offensive, so kindly stop making things up.
Do you actually have special needs or something? Nowhere have I said anything like that. Again, stop making things up.
The key word there is 'posing'. That's right, Spidey posed... and then when into battle. It was rediculous[sic].
LOL at someone getting upset or bitter over a what someone may think over a flag.
As I pointed out earlier, the correct spelling is 'ridiculous'.
Is it clearer for YOU? I'll spell it again, r-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s.
Heh, okay.
For your information, a cookie and a biscuit are two different things. Tosser.

Actually I was being facecious about the "clever" name. Obviously have to have that explained to you too, poofter.

Here are some direct quotes by you, shirtlifter:

The question is; what purpose did it serve? The answer is; none, other than to annoy the rest of the world (y'know all that stuff that isn't in America). Check out the bold part. I'm sensin' a little hatin'.

No, but it could be construed as intimidating. Imagine if you were the only non-American living there...

So you're saying that everyone who comes to America to live wants to/has to become an American? I say to you:

(I don't even know what to say to this RIDICULOUS response. Thanks for correcting my spelling by the way...the only thing you've been right about so far.)

Patriotism is a pretty backward idea anyway. (You have YET to explain these words of wisdom, but I'm sensing it has to do with your own perspective regarding your country as evidenced by your later remark - I'm no more proud of being English than I am of my ability to breathe - so I'll just let that be explanation enough.)

A honking great big CGI flag (a CGI flag, ladies and gentlemen) is insulting (it would only be insulting to someone who was offended by it, i'e': someone who doesn't like the flag itself or what it represents.

The pics you post are appropriate as they make as much sense as anything you've verbalized.

If the director knows that a certain shot may cause umbrage (which means offense) amongst a large portion of the demographic( which obviously includes you), then there's obviously a problem with the shot.

Another one that must only be funny to English gits.


And finally, the one that'll hang ya (I dated a girl from London for 2 years. I know the slang!):
For your information, a cookie and a biscuit are two different things. Tosser.

It is sad when an English person doesn't know that in English slang, a cookie and a bisquit are the same thing. I guess you gave me a spelling lesson so I'll return the favor with a lesson in English slang. Check it out, slapper.
http://english2american.com/dictionary/b.html

Now please post some more pictures the meaning of which only you understand and some more "clever" retorts that fall under the same description. Keep throwin' around the hate to help you forget that nothing you can do can change that shot in the film. Oh, I have a great idea for you. If you REALLY want work yourself into a dither, twonk, go see Spidey 3 again...on July 4th!

 

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

I'll be honest, as someone who isn't American, it annoyed me. It annoyed me in Spider-Man, it annoyed me in Spider-Man 2, and it annoyed me in Spider-Man 3. With Spider-Man 1 being so soon after 9/11 I can understand, but it really is becoming a bit redundant.

Funnily enough, last night I saw a Spider-Man 3 commercial and the flag was actually edited out of the shot. This was on the Detroit NBC station too. Maybe they've realized people are getting tired of it.

However, if this were Captain America it'd be an entirely different story.

 

[Spider - Man]

I think I've finally figured it out. Only Americans understand what it means to have Patriotism. Everyone that isn't from here doesn't understand the swell of prode (yes, PRIDE!) it gives Americans to see one of our icons linked with the American flag. The ones who whine that the flag being included is offensive to you just don't get it and you never will. And it doesn't really matter. Raimi put the shot in for those, like himself, who would get it. Weep about it, whine about it, let it annoy the crap out of you. Bottom line, Spidey is and always will be associated with America. He is American. He was created by an American. If it bothered you in SM1, SM2, and SM3, it either didn't bother you enough to keep you from seeing the next one or you're a glutton for punishment. Either way, keep on coming back for more.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Patriotism is often the route towards prejudice etc.

And only amercian's are patriotic? WTF? People aren't complainng about the flag as such, it's just the place they decided to include it, stick it in the parade etc, not just sticking it in somewhere to break up the movies flow.

 

[Nathan]

Since pretty much everyone ignored my last post, here it is again.

And again for everyone who still thinks that there must some anti-america sentiment behind not liking the flag shot, ask yourself one simple question.

Why did no one complain about the flag shot in Spider-Man 1's final swing?

I really don't understand how people can get so worked up about this. There are merely 2 reasons for disliking this scene.

#1: It's simply cheesy. The hero comes to the rescue, but wait, he interupts his swing for a final pose in front of the flag.

#2: It interrupted the pace of the scene, felt forced and simply didn't fit.

That's it, nothing about hating america or anything. And another point everyone simply loves to ignore. Pretty much EVERYONE, agrees if that shot would've been used during the Parade, no one would complain.

He get's his own Spider-Man Day, gets handed the key to the city, so let's have him pose in front of the flag and feel proud. Totally appropriate.

 

[Miguel]

A honking great big CGI flag (a CGI flag, ladies and gentlemen) is insulting (it would only be insulting to someone who was offended by it, i'e': someone who doesn't like the flag itself or what it represents.

umbrage (which means offense)

Another one that must only be funny to English gits.

Let's break it down (notice there's no condescending "for you", that's all I'll say on that one)--

Umbrage can also mean annoyance. Don't twist words to suit your argument. It was specifically that: something that annoyed, that people took issue with.

To take issue with a thing doesn't mean you have to be personally, emotionally offended by it. It means you thought there was fault with it, that's all.

Only Americans understand what it means to have Patriotism.

No offense, but do you understand how ridiculous that statement is? Canadian citizens take pride in Canada, Spanish citizens take pride in Spain, Swedish and Finnish citizens take pride in their respective countries--it goes on.

That's silly to think, let alone assert.

 

[Miguel]

That's it, nothing about hating america or anything. And another point everyone simply loves to ignore. Pretty much EVERYONE, agrees if that shot would've been used during the Parade, no one would complain.

Right, I know. I'm starting to feel silly even continuing to post in response to some folks... when some people are actually getting that worked up, bitter, retaliatory, whatever about it.

Then like Cyrus said above, it's not even about the flag. It is the usage of it that was whack.

But if they want to keep pointing fingers at all the invisible America-haters out there, I guess... go ahead?

 

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

This....this thread is still around.

 

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

yeah, that's what i'm saying.

Well I don't know who died and made you pretentious scum bag, but I can damn well be very proud of whatever the hell I choose to be proud of.

and you CAN'T tell me otherwise.

 

[Spider - Man]

Let's break it down (notice there's no condescending "for you", that's all I'll say on that one)--

Umbrage can also mean annoyance. Don't twist words to suit your argument. It was specifically that: something that annoyed, that people took issue with.

Ok, let's DO break it down and then I'll stop. If he MEANT annoyed (in that post) , he should have SAID annoyed. When a word has multiple meanings, it must be interpretted, and if the speaker doesn't present anything more specific than a word with multiple meanings, it is not 'twisting' for the receiver to choose one of the recognized meanings for himself.

To take issue with a thing doesn't mean you have to be personally, emotionally offended by it. It means you thought there was fault with it, that's all.

Let's just refresh our memories with some of the words he used: annoyed, insulted, intimidated. These are words he used to describe the American flag (either its inclusion in the scene or it's presence in an American neighborhood. None of them had to do with the cheesiness of the shot or at which point it was placed in the film. They had to do with the fact that associating Spider-Man with America was annoying and insulting. And in this particular statement - The question is; what purpose did it serve? The answer is; none, other than to annoy the rest of the world (y'know all that stuff that isn't in America). - he sounds like he IS pretty 'personally' offended. His tone certainly indicates he's not very happy with America.

No offense, but do you understand how ridiculous that statement is? Canadian citizens take pride in Canada, Spanish citizens take pride in Spain, Swedish and Finnish citizens take pride in their respective countries--it goes on.

That's silly to think, let alone assert.

I absolutely do. I wanted to just go ahead and post something that sounded half as ridiculous as people complaing about feeling 'left out' of the Spider-man movie because of the American flag, asserting that it would annoy, insult, etc. people who aren't American. Well, I would never be insulted by a shot of James Bond or Harry Potter posing in front af the Union Jack. Would I think it was cheesy? Maybe, but I wouldn't feel 'umbrage' toward it. Did I get bent out of shape because they used Celtic calligraphy to represent certain written languages in the Lord of the Rings movies? Not at all. I guess I just feel one has to be really pathetic to let the inclusion of a flag cause them to be insulted, annoyed, feel umbrage, or whatever. That is just sad.

 

[demitri_vampiro]

Well I don't know who died and made you pretentious scum bag, but I can damn well be very proud of whatever the hell I choose to be proud of.

and you CAN'T tell me otherwise.

whatever. i was toughed that one can be proud of the things he or someone else achieve, not on things that just are. you can be proud of whatever you can, all i am saying is that there is not that much to be proud of if something just is. if i am a scum bag for thinking like that, sure. whatever