Why did the serum not give Bruce Emil's powers?

[not_a_victim]

Was there an explanation (specifically) as to why the serum did not give Bruce the same powers that Blonsky received? Shouldn't Bruce have the same abilities that Blonsky has?
I watched the movie at work, so I may well have missed the explanation.

 

[Sarg92]

Was there an explanation (specifically) as to why the serum did not give Bruce the same powers that Blonsky received? Shouldn't Bruce have the same abilities that Blonsky has?
I watched the movie at work, so I may well have missed the explanation.

Maybe because Banner is not injected with any form of a serum like the Super Soldier Serum. But Banner does have an andidote serum injected into him to cure himself but it fails.

 

[not_a_victim]

Maybe because Banner is not injected with any form of a serum like the Super Soldier Serum. But Banner does have an andidote serum injected into him to cure himself but it fails.

When Ross was telling Blonsky about the project, I thought he told Blonsky that Bruce had experimented on himself. I thought that meant he had given himself the serum.
Guess I got that one wrong.
Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Was there an explanation (specifically) as to why the serum did not give Bruce the same powers that Blonsky received? Shouldn't Bruce have the same abilities that Blonsky has?
I watched the movie at work, so I may well have missed the explanation.

I'm not sure what power's you're referring to? As for Banner, it seems he took the serum in his muscles and then the radiation dosage changed him to Hulk. It seems his denial of all that aggressive raw power and strength which is named Hulk, played into his seemingly lack of humanity. Blonsky on the other hand not only took the serum in his muscular system but also his skeletal system which is why his bones protruded and the gamma dosage from Sterns took him over the top but he wanted and embraced the power. Therefore he still had his intelligence.

As for Leader he knows what's going on so he'll go even a step further.

 

[Sarg92]

What Banner did take is a "primer" created by Betty I think which helped him survive the radiation. Sterns explained it.

In the novel I think they have Betty injecting Bruce with a "protein primer", something like that.

 

[co2]

I don't know about the novel, but Bruce didn't take the serum in the movie.

 

[Sarg92]

I don't know about the novel, but Bruce didn't take the serum in the movie.

What serum?

In the opening credits Banner is just shown in the gamma chair.

 

[co2]

What serum?

In the opening credits Banner is just shown in the gamma chair.

That's what I said....
????

 

[Gamma Ra]

Betty's biology experiment involvement, was suggested when they're in the helicopter and Bruce says that all of them were responsible for Blonsky's rampage.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Blonsky had other stuff in him (that super soldier serum copy). Combining this with Banner's blood created Blonsky's mutation. Sterns clearly pointed this out, saying the result of combining the other stuff with Banner's blood could result in an abomination.

Also, I don't think Bruce took a serum. I think his exposure was more similar to the Bixby Hulk show. If Bruce took a serum, I don't think it was mentioned.

 

[TrekBiker]

It seems that there are two distinct processes - one which involves injections (including some directly into the spine - ouch) and a second one which involves shining green lights into your eyes. Blonsky received the first and turned into a Super-Soldier. Then he received the second and turned into Abomination. It seems (though I agree the movie is very vague on this) that the Hulk only received the second process, which is why the two are different.

PS: How'd you watch the movie at work? I want your job.

 

[SFII]

wow, why is there too many people with conflicting responses in here?

the way i see it,(and it seemed pretty clear to me), is that Blonsky took the Super Soldier Serum(injected into his bones and muscles). the stuff that Steve Rogers aka Captain America was made of back in WWII. Bruce Banner was never injected or exposed to the Super Soldier Serum. then when Blonsky later wanted more power, he demanded to be injected with Bruce Banner's gamma-radiated blood. thus, causing Blonsky to turn in to a stronger monster known as Abomination. the Super Soldier Serum + Hulk blood = Abomination.
Bruce was never injected with the Super Soldier Serum, but the thing that makes The Hulk unique is that when he gets angrier, he gets stronger. whereas, Abomination starts out being the naturally stronger monster, but he does not get stronger like the Hulk is capable of.

 

[TrekBiker]

^ There are so many responses because what you and I said are exactly the same.

 

[Sarg92]

That's what I said....
????

Sorry, my bad.

I misread your original post.


And SFII and TrekBiker pretty much summed it up.

 

[not_a_victim]

Now I get it. Ross offered Blonsky the serum in order to combat Hulk. When he said Banner was experimenting on himself, I just made the (il)logical leap that he was talking about using the serum on himself, not the gamma radiation.
Thanks.
Oh, and I watched the movie at work and at home, on review DVD. I got the same thing for Iron Man.
But don't tell anyone. I don't want my source P.O.'ed.

 

[Firm18]

Ok, I still don't get one more thing...why is Hulk like a beast and Blonsky can think normally? Or is Hulk just a quiet man which doesn't talk a lot?

 

[TrekBiker]

I wouldn't necessarily say that Abomination can think "normally", and I don't think the Hulk is as utterly dumb as you might initially think. I mean, the Hulk is capable of discerning individuals in combat, as well as using somewhat clever tactics to defeat opponents (taking out the sonic emitters, etc.). Sure the Hulk seems dumb in comparison to Banner's genus intellect, but I think the Hulk is actually not that stupid. Overall, I would guess that they're probably relatively close in intelligence in this movie adaption.

I realize this is different than what happens in the comics, but that's just the impression I get from the movie.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Sorry, my bad.

I misread your original post.


And SFII and TrekBiker pretty much summed it up.

Where are my props? I said the same thing, and before SFII and TrekBiker

 

[SFII]

no offense, but i don't think Trek Biker's explanation was anything close to mine at all.
(if anything, i agree that Spider-Fan and I said the same thing.)

Trek Biker's explanation leads me to raise another question... was it explained why Banner was exposed to gamma radiation in the opening montage? was that supposed to be part of the Super Soldier experiment?

 

[co2]

no offense, but i don't think Trek Biker's explanation was anything close to mine at all.
(if anything, i agree that Spider-Fan and I said the same thing.)

Trek Biker's explanation leads me to raise another question... was it explained why Banner was exposed to gamma radiation in the opening montage? was that supposed to be part of the Super Soldier experiment?

All of this sounds like everyone is coming around to my only complaint about the film that I have been talking about in other threads.

1. Why does Banner expose himself to radiation? He knew what he was doing right?
2. Why is Hulk a different, more primal personality than Bruce, but Blonsky retains his intelligence and personality?
3. Why does simply being exposed to radiation turn Bruce into a monster? (I know the initial idea in the comic was just that simple, but over the years they added more ideas to make this plausible. Even the TV show at least made the statement that Banner had an anomally in his DNA that reacted with the Gamma).
Those are the questions this movie doesn't answer.
My complaint I have been harping on is if they would have simply allowed this to be a possible sequel to the '03 film, all of these questions wouldn't exist. Those answers would have carried over from the last film instead of the very under-developed origin flashes. But, oh well.
Maybe an extended cut DVD, or even a sequel (you hear me God?!) will answer these questions. We'll have to wait on both.

 

[Syncos]

All of this sounds like everyone is coming around to my only complaint about the film that I have been talking about in other threads.

1. Why does Banner expose himself to radiation? He knew what he was doing right?
2. Why is Hulk a different, more primal personality than Bruce, but Blonsky retains his intelligence and personality?
3. Why does simply being exposed to radiation turn Bruce into a monster? (I know the initial idea in the comic was just that simple, but over the years they added more ideas to make this plausible. Even the TV show at least made the statement that Banner had an anomally in his DNA that reacted with the Gamma).
Those are the questions this movie doesn't answer.
My complaint I have been harping on is if they would have simply allowed this to be a possible sequel to the '03 film, all of these questions wouldn't exist. Those answers would have carried over from the last film instead of the very under-developed origin flashes. But, oh well.
Maybe an extended cut DVD, or even a sequel (you hear me God?!) will answer these questions. We'll have to wait on both.

1) My god, did you watch the movie? Ross explained that Banner was working on radiation resistance and was soo sure of himself that he tested his experiment on himself.

2)The blonsky issue has been brought up many times. I interpret the hulk persona as the anger and power that Banner is trying to suppress, being released in another personality. Blonsky wanted power. he expressed that power in it's fullest not to mention the combination of super soldier serum and banners blood.

3) The fact that the procedure Banner was working on was supposed to enhance human radiation resistance is enough to know that it was more than simply exposing himself to the radiation. (if simply exposing yourself to radiation built resistance, there'd be less radiation poisoning.) I don't know what you wanted from this scene. Did you want him to explain his calculations formulaicly? He created a machine that he believed would give him resistance to radiation, he was wrong. his machine and lab were destroyed.

 

[Spider-Fan]

TIH was a sequel in spirit to Hulk in that the Hulk was an established fact for years in the movie, thus they didn't want to gloss over the origin and make it an origin story like 2003 Hulk was. I don't feel we had to understand why Banner was not himself as Hulk while Blonsky was as the Abomination. Just having Blonsky using the serum and showing his path to becoming a gamma monster was different I feel was satisfactory for the movie.

 

[co2]

1) My god, did you watch the movie? Ross explained that Banner was working on radiation resistance and was soo sure of himself that he tested his experiment on himself.

2)The blonsky issue has been brought up many times. I interpret the hulk persona as the anger and power that Banner is trying to suppress, being released in another personality. Blonsky wanted power. he expressed that power in it's fullest not to mention the combination of super soldier serum and banners blood.

3) The fact that the procedure Banner was working on was supposed to enhance human radiation resistance is enough to know that it was more than simply exposing himself to the radiation. (if simply exposing yourself to radiation built resistance, there'd be less radiation poisoning.) I don't know what you wanted from this scene. Did you want him to explain his calculations formulaicly? He created a machine that he believed would give him resistance to radiation, he was wrong. his machine and lab were destroyed.

Um..yes I did. And you sure are making a LOT of suppositions and interpretations based on little to no evidence to get to those conclusions...and that's my point.
So make up your mind. Was the flashing light in the eye gamma exposure, or was it as you said..a machine to build resistance? I took it that the chair created the exposure.

also....Is there a reason you are attacking me? Settle down junior.

And here is another one for ya. Why then is his transformation linked to his anger (or in this movie, when his heart rate simply elevates)?...Again, something that could have been solved if it were allowed to be considered a sequel.

 

[co2]

I've gone on record as saying I really liked the movie..just that this re-origin bit was not the best strategy and left holes in the story that the work of the previous film would have informed if allowed.

 

[Firm18]

I guess in the end we get an answer to everything we ask for..

and it's:

HULK SMASH!