First Avenger Why Does Everyone Want a Body-Building Captain America?

[TheVileOne]

The point about the serum in Hulk was that they only used the serum and didn't bombard him with the radiation that was part of the super soldier experiment.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Captain America
No. Actually, I think you hit the nail right on the head with this analysis.

Cool... I wasn't sure if that was supposed to be what was happenning in the movie... or if it was my own imaginings.

As I said... I hope that they make it more clear in the Cap movie, or TIH sequel (should there be one) or in the Avengers.

 

[Rich Santoro]

The point about the serum in Hulk was that they only used the serum and didn't bombard him with the radiation that was part of the super soldier experiment.

Ah... they did only do the injections. Then, on the flip side of that coin... it appears that Banner was over exposed to the Gamma radiation in the openning montage.

Well, it certainly leaves the SSS as a wide open medium for the creation of more heros and villians. I think that they missed a great opportunity to have Luke Cage be the guy that drank the contaminated soda, rather than Stan Lee. It could have been left as a passing scene in TIH... but a Cage movie could have goneback to that scene and expanded.

 

[The Shredder]

The point about the serum in Hulk was that they only used the serum and didn't bombard him with the radiation that was part of the super soldier experiment.

That's essentially what was the case with the Grand Director (1950's Captain America for those who might not know). As the serum used by GD actually did achieve it's effects without the vita-ray radiation Rogers recieved. However, rather than a gradual mutation which apparently was the case with Blonsky in TIH, the Grand Director and his Bucky eventually displayed psychotic symptoms instead.

 

[not_a_victim]

I am not convinced about this... I did not interpret the plot to suggest that the serum given to Blonsky was the precise product given to Rogers in the early Bioforce Enhancement project. The version given to Blonsky seemed to be an altered (revamped) product created after WWII (since the original formula was lost). It may even have been something drastically different, via the experiments that Banner was working on (resulting in his transformation into the Hulk). Blonsky looked like the formula he took, made him super-human, as opposed to peak human... and it was somewhat unstable, causing mutagenesis (as seen in the enlargement of his spine in the bathroom scene).

I could be off here... but I hope that they clarify these details in the coming films.

Nonetheless, I feel that Frank Shamrock is the ideal body-type for Cap:

You're perfectly correct with the bolded point. All I am saying is it prepped us for having a guy with enhanced physical powers who didn't look any different than he did before he got the partial treatment. While they may be looking for a guy who is fairly bulked up to play Cap, they have set the precident that it could happen that way.

 

[not_a_victim]

I am not convinced about this... I did not interpret the plot to suggest that the serum given to Blonsky was the precise product given to Rogers in the early Bioforce Enhancement project. The version given to Blonsky seemed to be an altered (revamped) product created after WWII (since the original formula was lost). It may even have been something drastically different, via the experiments that Banner was working on (resulting in his transformation into the Hulk). Blonsky looked like the formula he took, made him super-human, as opposed to peak human... and it was somewhat unstable, causing mutagenesis (as seen in the enlargement of his spine in the bathroom scene).

I could be off here... but I hope that they clarify these details in the coming films.

Nonetheless, I feel that Frank Shamrock is the ideal body-type for Cap:

You're perfectly correct with the bolded point. All I am saying is it prepped us for having a guy with enhanced physical powers who didn't look any different than he did before he got the partial treatment. While they may be looking for a guy who is fairly bulked up to play Cap, they have set the precident that it could happen that way.

 

[COAL TIGER]

Ah... they did only do the injections. Then, on the flip side of that coin... it appears that Banner was over exposed to the Gamma radiation in the openning montage.

Well, it certainly leaves the SSS as a wide open medium for the creation of more heros and villians. I think that they missed a great opportunity to have Luke Cage be the guy that drank the contaminated soda, rather than Stan Lee. It could have been left as a passing scene in TIH... but a Cage movie could have goneback to that scene and expanded.

I was thinking something like that one time. In a Luke Cage movie when he's being experimented on they could have the super soldier serum be part of what gave him his powers. And the experiment could be part of the Weapon X program being disguise as a medical processure.

 

[Rich Santoro]

And the experiment could be part of the Weapon X program being disguise as a medical processure.

Yeah... I imagine that the backstory to these films is that some SS experiments have gone on over the decades, and guys like Cage could be failed test cases (some of which died, went mad, or were dumped in an alley with many negative effects). But Cage recovers, and is ready for action... He was wanted for escaping prison in the books... but they can replace that with the angle that the military becomes aware that he is playing at being a hero, and starts chasing him to bring him back in for testing and, more importantly, to tie-up loose ends... I wouldn't want to overplay that, since it is the very premise in TIH... but there are some good areas to explore and work out a great story for Cage.

 

[Marz69]

I really don't want a bodybuilder. I have no #1 choice for Cap. However, I read suggestions from Braxcave & the actor looked the part.

So I'm throwing this out there.

Mark Valley

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Cap doesn't have to be a bodybuilder. Much more muscular comic characters were played by guys who looked too small in the movies: Colossus, Sabretooth, etc.

Just make Cap tough and athletic, but Thor better be bigger than him.

 

[Marz69]

Just make Cap tough and athletic, but Thor better be bigger than him.

Absolutely. If they get a bodybuilder for Cap then they are putting themselves in trouble when casting Thor. And I don't think we should have a body builder for either. The actor for Thor needs to be put on the 300 diet X 2 . The actor for Cap just needs to get muscular & have a good frame/built.

The good thing is that neither Norton nor RDJ are muscular so Cap and Thor can top them in build & look bigger by comparison.

Now I'm starting to think that Pitt for Cap is not such a bad idea. No matter how much he works out he will always have a moderate frame. So an actor like Butler, Skargard or Purcell (or other choices) can always get bigger than him. But Mark Valley has the Cap look more than Pitt. Just don't put Mark on the 300 diet, cuz he looks like he could get really big.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Cap doesn't have to be a bodybuilder. Much more muscular comic characters were played by guys who looked too small in the movies: Colossus, Sabretooth, etc.

Just make Cap tough and athletic, but Thor better be bigger than him.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that they necessarily looked too small. The musculature is often exaggerated in comics, to unrealistic, often almost impossible proportions.

 

[Red Mask]

Thor is still taller than Cap. That's enough to make him stand out from him.

 

[Triad]

Personally I think this is very Captain America-ish

I have to admit that Pitt certainly bulked-up enough here to convincingly be cast as Cap. Personally though, I still can't see him in the part. Don't get me wrong, he is in my top five of all-time favorite actors (largely in part because of his choice of roles) and you cannot deny his box office draw, but his personality doesn't lend to the character. I really don't see it being believable enough if he was to try and emulate it. You really have to admit that he tends to gravitate around the same style and enunciation in each of his past roles...and they don't speak of Captain America in my opinion.

 

[WeaponXProject]

Cap doesn't have to be a bodybuilder. Much more muscular comic characters were played by guys who looked too small in the movies: Colossus, Sabretooth, etc.

Just make Cap tough and athletic, but Thor better be bigger than him.

That's how I see it. I guarantee if you look at some of the guys who have played superheroes they are no where near their comic book size. Hugh has come close, Bale has come close and Tobey in Spidey 1.

As long as you are bigger than normal or in great shape then it can pass.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Absolutely. If they get a bodybuilder for Cap then they are putting themselves in trouble when casting Thor. And I don't think we should have a body builder for either. The actor for Thor needs to be put on the 300 diet X 2 . The actor for Cap just needs to get muscular & have a good frame/built.

The good thing is that neither Norton nor RDJ are muscular so Cap and Thor can top them in build & look bigger by comparison.

Now I'm starting to think that Pitt for Cap is not such a bad idea. No matter how much he works out he will always have a moderate frame. So an actor like Butler, Skargard or Purcell (or other choices) can always get bigger than him. But Mark Valley has the Cap look more than Pitt. Just don't put Mark on the 300 diet, cuz he looks like he could get really big.

That 300 "program" helps get people sculpted. Won't put much size on a man

I wouldn't go so far as to say that they necessarily looked too small. The musculature is often exaggerated in comics, to unrealistic, often almost impossible proportions.

Daniel Cudmore looks like he used to work out. I could pick out a dozen guys in my gym who would be a better Colossus. Now, none of those guys can act really, but how much talking did Cudmore do in all the movies combined anyway?

 

[AndThePickles]

I have to admit that Pitt certainly bulked-up enough here to convincingly be cast as Cap. Personally though, I still can't see him in the part. Don't get me wrong, he is in my top five of all-time favorite actors (largely in part because of his choice of roles) and you cannot deny his box office draw, but his personality doesn't lend to the character. I really don't see it being believable enough if he was to try and emulate it. You really have to admit that he tends to gravitate around the same style and enunciation in each of his past roles...and they don't speak of Captain America in my opinion.

I agree, I think that Pitt would make an AWFUL Captain America.

 

[marcvader]

Cap should look like a 6'2 gymnast.

 

[Rich Santoro]

As long as you are bigger than normal or in great shape then it can pass.

Agreed... Spiderman is wiry in the books, but he is shredded... However, in the movie, lean and fit was more than good enough.

I certainly want to see whoever the actor is, to tone up and look like a first rate athelete, but comicbook proportions are not necessary (though I would have preferred a five and half foot Wolverine... Maybe hobbit'esque CGI could have been used???) Anyway, that ship has sailed... if Wolverine is to be taller than a now dead Cyclops, then so be it.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Cap should look like a 6'2 gymnast.

I wouldn't say gymnast; most of those guys are pretty thin.

 

[marcvader]

I don't know. Their sholders, pecs, and arms are pretty thick along with a V tapered torso that looks pretty heroic to me. Their legs may be on the thinner side as besides the tumbling most of their strength is tested on their upper body (rings, pommel horse, high bar). Just look at one of those guys and scale him up to a six foot plus and you got Cap.

 

[Marz69]

I have to admit that Pitt certainly bulked-up enough here to convincingly be cast as Cap. Personally though, I still can't see him in the part. Don't get me wrong, he is in my top five of all-time favorite actors (largely in part because of his choice of roles) and you cannot deny his box office draw, but his personality doesn't lend to the character. I really don't see it being believable enough if he was to try and emulate it. You really have to admit that he tends to gravitate around the same style and enunciation in each of his past roles...and they don't speak of Captain America in my opinion.

Yeah, see Brad Pitt is interesting. He's in between. He can't bulk up enough to be Thor but he could act like Thor. He would look better as Cap. BUT can he have Cap's personality. I have yet to see him do anything like that (or I can't remember). Like a Kilmer. In Meet Joe Black, he was reserved but too stoic & seemed dumb-like at times. He is a good actor though.

Cap should look like a 6'2 gymnast.

Those Olympic gymnast are fit, especially the chest & shoulders. Swimmers too have broad shoulders, like Michael.

 

[Red Mask]

Hold on, a 6 feet 2 inch gymnast? The best gymnasts in the world are much shorter than that. At best those guys are close to bantamweights. What the effing, dogs! Aquaman should now look like Michael, but not Captain America.

 

[Red Mask]

Here's a new question. Should it matter if the actor stacks up for the the role? Everything in Hollywood is fake anyway.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Huh? I'm sure we'd all prefer natural muscles over padding.