Why does it seem so "cool" to hate DC here?

[Rocketman]

Is it me?

I'm referring to SuperHeroHype as a whole - the entire board. Seems like every thread I enter, every 10th post I skim past, there's some knock on DC not doing this, not doing that, and it's like, damn. Way to be fans, guys.

I mean, if we want to change the name to MarvelHeroHype, let's just get it over with. Rarely - rarely - do I see any legitimate criticisms of Marvel on this site, and believe me, there are thousands.

Close thread if need be, but sheesh. Just thought I'd point out something that seems to be more glaringly noticeable every day.

 

[Wise]

I've seen evidence of that on IMDB, but never on Superherohype.

I find most people are DC/Marvel neutral like me.

THen again i only go in the movie threads and stay out of the community section.

 

[Rocketman]

I've seen evidence of that on IMDB, but never on Superherohype.

I find most people are DC/Marvel neutral like me.

THen again i only go in the movie threads and stay out of the community section.

The scary thing is that I rarely notice it in the Marvel boards; I notice it in the DC boards, as if people come specifically to the DC boards to crap all over it.

I don't know - seems kind of goofy to me. Maybe it's everywhere for both companies and I'm just not seeing it.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Probably because they feel that DC should have been doing the big shared universe thing that marvel have been doing for the last few years. And DC haven't really been doing it until now.

Also you know how comic book fans are. Nothing better than whittling away the days in your parent's basement with complaining on the internet.

 

[Rocketman]

Probably because they feel that DC should have been doing the big shared universe thing that marvel have been doing for the last few years. And DC haven't really been doing it until now.

Also you know how comic book fans are. Nothing better than whittling away the days in your parent's basement with complaining on the internet.

All good points.
Especially the last one.

I don't know... It's just kind of a bummer that we can't be fans together.

I personally love both companies. I think Marvel is kicking serious butt right now. I absolutely LOVED Thor: The Dark World, I thought Man of Steel was phenomenal, Iron Man 3 could've been better but I still enjoyed it immensely, Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy is probably the best superhero trilogy/saga on film so far, and I thought The Avengers was simply incredible and deserved every cent and good review it got, and I'll be the first in line for Age of Ultron.

^ Is that so hard? I mean every word.
Maybe it's an "adults vs. non-adults" situation on these boards?

I just love comic book movies. I love comic books. I see no competition. As far as what I enjoy goes, I tend to enjoy DC comics and DC films more... but that doesn't mean they're better - it just means I enjoy them more. No one's wrong or right.

In fact, if I were to rank my favorite superheroes in order, the list would be as follows:

1. Batman
2. Spider-Man
3. Superman
4. Iron Man
5. Green Lantern
6. The Incredible Hulk

Seems pretty unbiased to me.

 

[Wise]

Probably because they feel that DC should have been doing the big shared universe thing that marvel have been doing for the last few years. And DC haven't really been doing it until now.

Also you know how comic book fans are. Nothing better than whittling away the days in your parent's basement with complaining on the internet.

I actually agree with this point. WB's management of the DC Universe has been pretty piss poor compared to Marvel's efforts.

That doesn't mean I dislike DC. It's like supporting a football team and hating the coach who makes boneheaded decisions.

If WB knew what they were doing Green Lantern 2011 would have been a decent film and MOS Wouldn't have had to kick off their shared universe. We might have even had Angela Basset's Amanda Waller in MOS. But studio interference, focus group testing, rewrites and a an asanine directorial choice (A director with little to no CGI experience making a film that takes place in space with cgi light contructs as weapons) meant that it was a turd.

Hopefully they've learned from their mistakes and Batman/Superman will be great.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I like both but a popular criticism of Marvel movies is the childish humor. I'd say this place is pretty neutral though for the most part.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

Well, I suppose that's because, a few teething problems aside, Marvel are absolutely kicking ass right now.
And DC.. aren't.

Since 2008, Marvel have gone from strength to strength, making movies that time and time again demonstrate an unshakeable belief in the strength of their characters. A belief that's paid off to the tune of well over 2 Billion dollars at the box office.
Meanwhile, unless we're talking Batman movies, what have DC done with their characters?
Squandered them on a couple of cheap bargain basement TV shows (with more to come!), made a couple of terribly mishandled flops that would have to get a lot more interesting in order to be called truly bad, and relaunched Superman with a film that got a... let's just say... "mixed" response by critics and fans...
And worst of all -WORST OF ****ing ALL- they did the unforgivable and dismantled the comic universe, the source material that was supposed to be the whole base of these films, BRILLIANTLY demonstrating a complete lack of the faith in their characters that has served Marvel studios so well.

I'm sorry if this is coming out bitter. Can't help it. Although, you could be forgiven for thinking otherwise, I'm a total DC fanboy.
And, these days, for the reasons stated above -and loads more I don't even want to get into- that's something that's harder and harder to be.

Next year, apart from Cap 2, Marvel are releasing a huge budgeted, A-list cast, Summer blockbuster... of one of their C-List properties. A film that'll have Rocket Racoon as a central character. And you know what? It looks awesome!
Meanwhile, where's... I dunno, Wonder Woman?
(Some CW *****e: "Uhhhhhh, well, you know, we're like... kinda... sorta... working on a Wonder Woman show for CW. But it's hard cos she's just soooooo complicated. But, uh, yeah. Maybe someday. Fingers crossed amiright?")


Eh, rant over.

 

[NosfeRomas]

It doesn't look awesome to me.

After that horrible sneak peek at The Collector i lost interest. How can people like this ? Do you enjoy being treated like 10 year olds ? After 2 films with poor humour and unappealing story lines that were saved by their wonderful actors i lost touch with Marvel. I didn't like TASM because it re-hushed to much stuff while it could be something fresh but at least it treated ME with respect (for the most part)

I am excitd for Cap 2 even though i am not a Cap fan because it looks like a kick ass spy film that touches on serious topics.
BTW: Us DC fans can be very hypocritical, once we see something better or at least more accurate we are ready to crap all over the previous' movies face. When the first BvS image hits Christopher Nolan's trilogy will be gangbanged by stupid fanboys. It already has started to receive much criticism.

PS : And when it comes to TDKR plotholes its all about how much you can suspend your disbelief. I don't care how Bruce got back to Gotham, he is Bruce Wayne a ban of limitless recourses.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I think it's mostly you OP. Batman gives pretty much every fan around the world the same hard on. But also what Wesley said ^

Marvel films are more consistently good lately, while DC has several integral properties they haven't even given a chance on screen.

 

[Wise]

It doesn't look awesome to me.

After that horrible sneak peek at The Collector i lost interest. How can people like this ? Do you enjoy being treated like 10 year olds ? After 2 films with poor humour and unappealing story lines that were saved by their wonderful actors i lost touch with Marvel. I didn't like TASM because it re-hushed to much stuff while it could be something fresh but at least it treated ME with respect (for the most part)

I am excitd for Cap 2 even though i am not a Cap fan because it looks like a kick ass spy film that touches on serious topics.
BTW: Us DC fans can be very hypocritical, once we see something better or at least more accurate we are ready to crap all over the previous' movies face. When the first BvS image hits Christopher Nolan's trilogy will be gangbanged by stupid fanboys. It already has started to receive much criticism.

PS : And when it comes to TDKR plotholes its all about how much you can suspend your disbelief. I don't care how Bruce got back to Gotham, he is Bruce Wayne a ban of limitless recourses.

But he lost all his money (The root of his resources) because Bane used the magic stock exchange hack. I guess he flew coach back from India.

 

[jmc]

There is a tendency for some people to crap on DC because of the slate of Marvel made/licenced movies that are getting made every year, either by DC fans being annoyed at the lack of anything outside of Batman and Superman, or Marvel fans who feel the need to gloat. For the most part it's civil though. I will say this though, from my observations Marvel fans seem less likely to criticize mistakes made by the company, or at the very least downplay the error or try and justify it in some strange way, whilst DC fans will complain to no end about mistakes, possibly as a result of being burned so often by WB in the last 25 years.

 

[jonathancrane]

I love the DC Comics and Nolan's trilogy - see my username-but, lately their film division has been making some horrible decisions. I have a love/hate relationship with Man of Steel (I liked everything up to the moment when Supes murders Zod, which marks the film's downward spiral in quality,) and have no excitement about the Batman/Superman film, because:

a) it should have been a Man of Steel sequel, so Superman could become the hero that he should be
b) reducing two cinematic and comic icons to participants in a two hours slug fest is terrible

I love what they have done with Arrow (it's one of my favorite programs on the telly,) and I love the Nolan films, as mentioned. So, my dislike of the film division does not go to all of DC's live action properties.

And Marvel has made some mistakes: ruining the Crimson Dynamo in IM2 and the hit/miss quality of Agents of SHIELD. But, I would not say the Board favors Marvel and hates DC exclusively: lately, the hate extends to everything. Try the Hobbit thread, for instance: it's really difficult posting there as someone who loves Jackson's work and what he did with an Unexpected Journey: everyone hates the Hobbit films and curses Jackson as if he was Lucas. Hence, I avoid posting there. Or try the Doctor Who boards as a fan of Russell T. Davies' work: everybody f---ing hates him, which makes posting as a huge fan of the man's work (he's one of my screenwriting heroes,) awkward.

 

[The Valeyard]

Is it me?

I'm referring to SuperHeroHype as a whole - the entire board. Seems like every thread I enter, every 10th post I skim past, there's some knock on DC not doing this, not doing that, and it's like, damn. Way to be fans, guys.

I mean, if we want to change the name to MarvelHeroHype, let's just get it over with. Rarely - rarely - do I see any legitimate criticisms of Marvel on this site, and believe me, there are thousands.

Close thread if need be, but sheesh. Just thought I'd point out something that seems to be more glaringly noticeable every day.

You want the answer?


It's because Marvel is winning the battle for better representation in the media and better films.


Warner Bros is doing a subpar job handling their DC properties.

 

[jmc]

Better films is subjective.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Yeah i love the Marvel movies, but IMO TDKT, Superman the movie, Batman, Batman Returns and MOS are better than almost every Marvel movie. But the Avengers is amazing, that's the only one that i think compares to the movies I listed

 

[Visualiza]

Is it me?

I'm referring to SuperHeroHype as a whole - the entire board. Seems like every thread I enter, every 10th post I skim past, there's some knock on DC not doing this, not doing that, and it's like, damn. Way to be fans, guys.

I mean, if we want to change the name to MarvelHeroHype, let's just get it over with. Rarely - rarely - do I see any legitimate criticisms of Marvel on this site, and believe me, there are thousands.

Close thread if need be, but sheesh. Just thought I'd point out something that seems to be more glaringly noticeable every day.

Yes, it is just you, and it is definitely all in your head. Chris Nolan's trilogy is far and away the most celebrated series of movies on these boards, while the Man of Steel forum is practically a religious temple. Considering the fact that this place was founded as a Spider-Man site, that's quite the tipping of the scales.

 

[flickchick85]

Is it me?

I'm referring to SuperHeroHype as a whole - the entire board. Seems like every thread I enter, every 10th post I skim past, there's some knock on DC not doing this, not doing that, and it's like, damn. Way to be fans, guys.

I mean, if we want to change the name to MarvelHeroHype, let's just get it over with. Rarely - rarely - do I see any legitimate criticisms of Marvel on this site, and believe me, there are thousands.

Close thread if need be, but sheesh. Just thought I'd point out something that seems to be more glaringly noticeable every day.

I think it's pretty even, with people hating on Marvel for their brand of humor and "factory line" approach just as regularly.

That said, it's true that many DC fans like myself hate on the way WB handles their DC properties. Let me make this clear: I am a DC fan all the way: Superman is my favorite hero and all my favorite comic stories of all-time are DC stories. But even though I think both studios' models have their flaws, if I had to choose who's doing the cinematic adaptations more right than the other, I'd choose Marvel Studios over WB/DC in a heartbeat. I just don't think WB understands/appreciates their DC characters on an individual level, the way Marvel Studios does (since their survival depends on it, unlike WB).

Choosing Nolan to take on Batman was their one shining moment of inspiration as far as I'm concerned, and they have yet to follow through on that kind of boldness and creative thinking with any other character. I mean, say what you will about the Marvel brand, but it's clear that they put great thought into what filmmakers would be the best fits for the individual characters they're trying to adapt. WB/DC just seems to have found a team they like and figure their approach will work for everything "comic book-y." It won't, imo, because their stable of heroes are all vastly different.

 

[jmc]

Truth is WB is not an ambitious company when it comes to superheroes, and that's where the frustration from DC fans comes from. They look across the pond and see a company who's sole purpose is creating superhero movies whilst their favourite brand languishes in no-mans lands due to a studio unwilling to look beyond the two flagship giants. They tried their hand at Green Lantern but it failed because they wanted to make DC's Iron Man instead of trying to make a Green Lantern movie. That is the mindset that many studios have, they try to capitalise on other films success with little understanding as to why it was a success. Ultimately the desire from WB isn't there and I'm doubtful it ever will be because they're about movies in general. The truth is they got lucky with Nolan.

 

[NosfeRomas]

But he lost all his money (The root of his resources) because Bane used the magic stock exchange hack. I guess he flew coach back from India.

He called Saul Goodman.

 

[The Valeyard]

Better films is subjective.

Marvel has the better strategy as well.


So much so that WB/DC is trying to copy them.


There was no movement towards a JL film at WB till Avengers made insane box office.


Marvel has the edge right now by leaps and bounds. WB/DC is in a bad place now without their critical darling Chris Nolan. He was their only trump card towards quality.

 

[Visualiza]

He called Saul Goodman.

 

[smallville fan]

At the moment, there seems to be a consensus belief that DC/WB is just plain lazy right now. However, I think they're just methodically planning and preparing. Nobody wants to repeat history with Green Lantern or Batman & Robin again. Marvel Phase 2 hasn't been performing well as it should with everything Iron Man 3 onward you know.

 

[The Valeyard]

Isn't Thor II the only Phase 2 film that came out after IM3?

It seems to be doing quite well. It's up to 550 mil WW so far.

 

[smallville fan]

Isn't Thor II the only Phase 2 film that came out after IM3?

It seems to be doing quite well. It's up to 550 mil WW so far.

Yeah, but some found the excess humor a bit much.