Why does Sam Raimi insist on killing villians?

[MrZombay]

Green Goblin and New Goblin make sense because those deaths were in the comics.

But Doctor Octopus and Venom WTF?

Does he feel the only way to make sure villians won't return in sequels is to off them? They can't be arrested or sent to asylums?


Thats the one thing I really can't stand about these movies and is easily their biggest flaws. Other then that their great.


Thoughts?

 

[superherofan777]

Green Goblin and New Goblin make sense because those deaths were in the comics.

But Doctor Octopus and Venom WTF?

Does he feel the only way to make sure villians won't return in sequels is to off them? They can't be arrested or sent to asylums?


Thats the one thing I really can't stand about these movies and is easily their biggest flaws. Other then that their great.


Thoughts?

Simple. Cause there can only be so many sequels. This is probably the last one any how. and the most obvious reason...their evil...technically. they gotta be stopped some how lol

 

[chaseter]

It's better than seeing them being put into Archam Asylum...

 

[superherofan777]

It's better than seeing them being put into Archam Asylum...

Exactly.

 

[Tempest19]

Fault in your logic:

Spoiler

Sandman goes to prison.

 

[cryptic name]

Arkham

 

[Sam Fisher]

Be quiet Batman nerd.

 

[chaseter]

Arkham

Ohhh sorry to all Batman fans I hate super villians that go to jail and the po-po's think they will be able to keep them in...riiiight.

 

[Tempest19]

Also, that would be impossible considering Spidey isn't DC..... or wait, it might be both? Spidey and Supes have crossed paths and Venom tried on Clark Kent's glasses (I'm serious, lol)... so-

 

[chaseter]

Also, that would be impossible considering Spidey isn't DC..... or wait, it might be both? Spidey and Supes have crossed paths and Venom tried on Clark Kent's glasses (I'm serious, lol)... so-

It was a joke...I know Sandman isn't going to end up at Arkham along side Arnold and Uma.

 

[Tempest19]

Yep.... he's going to be stationed adjacent from Wesley Dodds.

PS. I know Dodds is actually a crimefighter...

 

[MrZombay]

I guess I shouldn't have said asylum.
*I didn't mean Arkham but I guess it would still feel too similar*


As for Sandman going to prison, yeah that's great and all but that doesn't change the fact the two much more popular and famous villians bite it.

 

[the-rake]

I heard that Doc ock wasn't dead, and only brock die, not venom. Venom will return with Gargan.

 

[Spade]

Green Goblin and New Goblin make sense because those deaths were in the comics.

But Doctor Octopus and Venom WTF?

Does he feel the only way to make sure villians won't return in sequels is to off them? They can't be arrested or sent to asylums?


Thats the one thing I really can't stand about these movies and is easily their biggest flaws. Other then that their great.


Thoughts?

When Arkham Asylum got introduced in the Batman films after Burton left, we didn't see a decent capture of a villain in a decent Batman movie until Nolan came onto the film franchise. That's partly because of the material, but also because when the foe just goes to jail the impact is lost. I'll give you Doc Ock. He's one of the villains who had me befuddled in his death, in that he had found redemption and had not genuinely killed anyone. I suppose there was a point trying to be made about the reprocussions of diving into his work without care for others, but it was a moot one.

However, I can't see why Venom's death is wrong. I feel the death itself goes too far, but it's necessary. After Brock didn't succeed in the books at killing Peter with the bell strategy, he became a mediocre '90's villain who had to be fleshed out as an anti-hero to give him a reason to be around (solely because no writer at the time had the guts to kill off such a popular character). It's that thinking that gave us Lethal Protector and Carnage, neither of which are remembered fondly by the community. It's better to let him have his hurrah after establishing why Brock wants to kill Peter and then showing the film's theme, that revenge is so all-consuming that it leads to self-destruction. I'd rather not see what I think I will see, but it's necessary in this case to make him a memorable villain worth ending the trilogy on.

 

[not_a_victim]

Raimi is making pretty comic-faithful superhero movies, so don't beleive for a second that any of the villans are permanetly dead. Just like the comics, it doesn't matter if they fall into an industrial meat ginder, the remains burned to ashes, and spread to the four corners, when it is time for them to come back, they will.
It's like saying, "Why does Marvel keep killing villians?"

 

[4NutzinYoface]

I for one am GLAD G-L-A-D GLAD that Raimi kills off the villains!

I mean, it's the movies...there are so many villains in the Spider-Man Universe..make room for them!

Sam Raimi is awesome because he gives a sense of closure to each movie....it's ******ed when the bad guys gets 'arrested', or 'escapes'...not cool at all.

Besides, that's what the comics are for..they'll keep going...as for the movei villains, I say KILL 'EM ALL!!!

And Sandman goes to prison? DAMN, that blows ....well at least Venom dies

 

[GoldGoblin]

I'm also glad they he kills them off,I don't want to see the same villain like Magneto in the X-Men movies.

At least Raimi is giving us two new things in this movie:He is having one villain go to jail (Sandman),and he is having one vilain stay evil til the end (Venom).

 

[Catman]

So what if Raimi kills the villains? Its not a big deal for me. I grew up on the Batman films. They killed those villains as well. Joker died, Penguin died, Two-Face died, and Catwoman died 8 times. No biggie. And, remember the Ninja Turtles movie? They killed Shredder in the first one. Then, he returns for the second one!

 

[TheVileOne]

The problem is that comics kill villains and don't have the balls to keep them dead. Death constantly being treated like it's a trifling insignificant thing.

 

[3dman27]

It's better than seeing them being put into Archam Asylum...

actually the mental hospital in the spider-man seies is called RAVENCROFT SANITARIUM
i don't knowe if its based on a REAL hospital or not

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

killing themoff have its advantages, it's just simpler

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think sam kills the villians for reasonable reasons so to speak. he's killing off venom because the smbiote completley takes over brock. he killed off Doc Ock because Ock killed himself trying to save peter, mj, and all of NYC. Sam hasen't done anything wrong in doing that, and I believe that because sandman goes to prison it makes alot of sense considering that
he

Spoiler

showed sympathy for peter in the battle royal.

Venom on the other hand is suppose to die to show what the symbiote has done to brock and what it actually could have did to peter if peter got the symbiote suit off himself any later than he did. sure us fans wanted Venom to be in a sequal and hell he just might be but I'm satisfied in what type of death they chose for Venom.

 

[The Joker]

Ock died to pay for his sins. I may not have liked him being killed off, but it was an emotional death. "I will not die a monster". He went down with one of the things that meant the most to him.

Norman died for his sins, too. Also his death is integral to Harry's story.

I guess the message is that if you do evil, you go down for it. Sandman seems to be the exception because he's the first villain who's not doing what he's doing for himself.

He's doing it for someone else. A sick child, at that.

 

[The Amazing Lee]

I think death shows a sign of ultimate defeat and resolution and especially with super villains in a fantasy story it makes more sense.

and the fact is...if the villain kills people, he is most likely to be killed.

What goes around, comes around.

::I have still left the hype. I just forgot I left for a second. :/::

 

[shigsy2003]

I didn't have a problem with Norman dying (he kinda needed to) and Doc Ock died for a good world saving cause. Harry dying teaches Pete to learn forgivness...Eddie dying on the other does slighlty wind me up. I don't care if there never was a chance for him to return as Venom but honestly did he need to die. Lock him up for Christ's Sake.

I have justified his death to myself but I will still be a little angry when I see it.