Why does Sam Raimi insist on killing villians?

I think Raimi's lessons are usually circulated around peter and no one else...

ock's death and sacrifice seemed to have no bearing on parker what so ever. Heck, ock's turn to the dark really had no effect on peter either.
 
I heard that Doc ock wasn't dead, and only brock die, not venom. Venom will return with Gargan.


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Gargan is the worst chapter in Venom history, even worse than the arctic and clone storyline, good dam thing Brock is coming back soon...
 
Green Goblin and New Goblin make sense because those deaths were in the comics.

But Doctor Octopus and Venom WTF?

Does he feel the only way to make sure villians won't return in sequels is to off them? They can't be arrested or sent to asylums?


Thats the one thing I really can't stand about these movies and is easily their biggest flaws. Other then that their great.


Thoughts?

I don't think I like the idea of all villians dying either, however I will poke fun at your logic there... I don't know if killing off the goblins is justified on film just because that was their comic characters' fates
 
burton killed all his villians, but when joel s took over he only killed a few then put the rest in jail. Riddler, Mr.freeze, and Ivy
 
To make way for new villians and prevent fans from screaming, "He's still not dead!!! Why doesn't bring him back!!!"

Villians dying is much more interesting to watch than being put behind bars...I guess
 
I'm also glad they he kills them off,I don't want to see the same villain like Magneto in the X-Men movies.

At least Raimi is giving us two new things in this movie:He is having one villain go to jail (Sandman),and he is having one vilain stay evil til the end (Venom).

I've never been under the impression that Brock was evil in this film. I see him as a bit of a sleeze, who's emotions and desperation get the best of him and succombs to the evil. I'm under the impression that Brock isn't given much of a chance to come back from the dark side. He's finally got something "good" in his life thus, the symbiot really takes over, clouding Brock's mind of any real god, self awareness and redemption. Thats just my opinion but I guess we'll get the full story soon enough.
 
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Raimi's original ending for Spider-Man 3. ;)
 
Doc Ock has it pretty right.

Rami ended each villains career based on what happened in their story arch.

Green Goblin: He dies to pay for the sins he committed in his life, as well as a direct result of his own actions.

Doctor Octopus: He dies to wrap up his story arc and the theme of the film, sacrifice. He sacrificed himself and his machine so that his ideas could live on un tarnished...much like Peter wanted to give up the girl so that he could continue being a hero. It was Doc Ock's passion for his machine and scientific ideas that led to his demise.

New Goblin: He dies to end his arc. He sacrifices his own life to save Peter and symbolizes the theme of forgiveness in movie three.

Sandman: Sandman's arc ends with him going in jail to pay for his crimes. This reflects the theme of accepting responsibility in the film.

Venom: Venom dies and dies in the way he does to show that the symbiot has stripped Eddie Brock to the core. That he was so evil and willing to hate that this hatred went down to his bones. His purpose was to symbolize the overall theme of "great power, great responsibility" that has grown throughout the films. Eddie Brock symbolizes what would happen in a person was given great power without having been raised by a man like Ben Parker with the ideals that he raised Peter with.

Each villains ending served a purpose to his complete story arc. It is tied into the theme of the film they are in and symbolize the characters actions.

Rami's done a good job thus far, no complaints.

-R
 
I was hoping to see Venom kill Sandman in this one but guess not. I have a feeling that Sam kept Sandman alive cause it seems to be his favorite villian...or I could be way off.
 
I agree with everyone in this thread...you CAN only have so many sequels, so killing off villains is fine...because, comics can go a bit overboard when resurrecting back villains, lol. And Sandman
lives on
because he turns into a good guy for a bit in the comics, so Sam Raimi probably thought Sandy needed to live.
 
If they didnt kill off villians in movies, there would be a Spiderman movie with 100 villians in it!
 
Villains die in the comics aswell, and somehow there's a twist and they return. Same could happen here.

And Raimi and Molina already said that Octopus is not dead.

D!
 
Villains die in the comics aswell, and somehow there's a twist and they return. Same could happen here.

And Raimi and Molina already said that Octopus is not dead.

D!


And how would Doc Ock come back as a villain? He decides to be evil and make another fusion machine?
 
I didn't say he IS coming back.

D!
 
If Im not mistaken, I think I read somewhere that Molina signed to appear in a future Spiderman movie. I'm not sure.

D!
 
Green Goblin and New Goblin make sense because those deaths were in the comics.

But Doctor Octopus and Venom WTF?

Does he feel the only way to make sure villians won't return in sequels is to off them? They can't be arrested or sent to asylums?


Thats the one thing I really can't stand about these movies and is easily their biggest flaws. Other then that their great.


Thoughts?

Well, at least Sandman will stay alive.
 
I'm not as upset with the villians dying... I'm more upset with Spidey always having the need to unmask himself to EVERYONE. I know Civil War kinda changed this aspect of Spidey, but one of the tenets of Peter Parker is that his identity as Spider-Man is secret.
 
Considering they did a hapass job with Venom (based on the footage so far)... I am glad he ain't coming back... if Raimi didn't want him in the first place he shouldn't have been rushed for ten minutes... but they will find some way to bring back Ock if they do a Sinister 6
 

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