Why does Sam Raimi insist on killing villians?

[Parquagh]

Because these are movies, not a continious series of comics in which villains can come and go and get our hero in different situations...... it's ok that most of them die...

 

[GoldGoblin]

Because these are movies, not a continious series of comics in which villains can come and go and get our hero in different situations......

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[NewYorkSpider]

Who says Doc Ock was dead? It may have looked that way during the movie, but who says you can't bring them back. Remember that Alfred Molina's contract had SM3 and SM4 in it. That must have been a sign that they could bring him back.

 

[XXTBWCXX]

Considering they did a hapass job with Venom (based on the footage so far)... I am glad he ain't coming back... if Raimi didn't want him in the first place he shouldn't have been rushed for ten minutes... but they will find some way to bring back Ock if they do a Sinister 6

There won't be a Spider-Man movie with the Sinister Six as the villains!!!!

Spider-Man 3, yah, ok, that movie differs from 1 and 2 because it only had one villain (S-M 2 kinda had two villains though; Harry Osborn was a semi-villain for when he asked Doc Ock to give him Spider-Man and then tried to kill him), but the most villains that will be in a movie is three (New Goblin, Sandman and Venom, but then Harry redeemed himself at the end), and that was enough...by putting a total of four villains into the movie would be too much (but the addition of the fourth villain for the symbiote worked out good, hence that made Venom, so that's not really a 4th villain afterall), but the addition of five or even six villains would be way, way too much. So, don't get your hopes up for the Sinister Six to be in a Spider-Man sequel people.

 

[MrZombay]

I don't think the villians have to come back if their not killed off. They could easily stay locked up and possibly have a cameo here and there.

I just think it's nice for villians to live so Spidey and the fans can think

"What if he were to escape?"

 

[XXTBWCXX]

I don't think the villians have to come back if their not killed off. They could easily stay locked up and possibly have a cameo here and there.

I just think it's nice for villians to live so Spidey and the fans can think

"What if he were to escape?"

Yah, but, regarding 'Spidey and the fans'...with Green Goblin, the thought of Hobgoblin will come to mind...with Doc Ock, the thought of him returning, if he DIDN'T die...and regarding Venom, some more symbiote from meteors could come...creating Carnage or other symbiote monsters, like Hybrid, Toxin, etc., and Sandman, well, he does live on. There's your answer.

 

[craigaat]

Green Goblin and New Goblin make sense because those deaths were in the comics.

But Doctor Octopus and Venom WTF?

Does he feel the only way to make sure villians won't return in sequels is to off them? They can't be arrested or sent to asylums?


Thats the one thing I really can't stand about these movies and is easily their biggest flaws. Other then that their great.


Thoughts?

I don't think you're supposed to include spoilers in thread titles.

 

[AIRWOLF]

Im not against killing off the villain idea, but I guess since Im a Venom fan, it just burns me up from inside to see one of my favorite villains die. Whatever the case, I would welcome their death if they have been justified. In Venom's case, I think death was the way to go. I do agree with Robin91939 explanation of what Venom represented. But the only complain I have is that Venom was not given enough screen time, his only complete appearence being in final battle. Im okay with Venom's death as long as he's there for atleast 15 to 20 mins.

I hope there would be a Extended Edition of Spidey 3 like Spidey 2, that which could possibly include an extended fight sequence of the final battle.

 

[RobHimself]

I'm fine with killing off Norman and Doc Ock, but to me Vemon should have had a whole movie as him as the main villian. I mean just look at the fans' reaction to him. He's only in the movie for a short while. The perfect ending for me would have been for Spidey to seperate Brock from the symbiote and have the symbiote escape into a drain or whatever. Then have Brock thrown in prison.

Then have the symbiote find Brock and have venom return for part 4, along with Lizard.

 

[craigaat]

Then have the symbiote find Brock and have venom return for part 4, along with Lizard.

I think a lot of people would like to see a Venom/Lizard combo in SM4.

 

[Victarion]

There won't be a Spider-Man movie with the Sinister Six as the villains!!!!

Spider-Man 3, yah, ok, that movie differs from 1 and 2 because it only had one villain (S-M 2 kinda had two villains though; Harry Osborn was a semi-villain for when he asked Doc Ock to give him Spider-Man and then tried to kill him), but the most villains that will be in a movie is three (New Goblin, Sandman and Venom, but then Harry redeemed himself at the end), and that was enough...by putting a total of four villains into the movie would be too much (but the addition of the fourth villain for the symbiote worked out good, hence that made Venom, so that's not really a 4th villain afterall), but the addition of five or even six villains would be way, way too much. So, don't get your hopes up for the Sinister Six to be in a Spider-Man sequel people.

What about a Spider-Man movie with...The Terrifying Trio! It consists of Doctor Octopus, Electro, and Vulture.

I wholeheartedly say: Terrifying Trio 4 Spidey 4!

Killing villains is Mr. Raimi's way of advocating the death penalty.

 

[chaseter]

actually the mental hospital in the spider-man seies is called RAVENCROFT SANITARIUM
i don't knowe if its based on a REAL hospital or not

It was a joke good God. I made a quip about one of the worst movies in history. If Raimi had all the villians end up in jail or "ARKHAM" like they did in Batman Forever or whatever, then I will scream. I have had no problem with the villians dying either. I hate ambiguity and I hate cliff hangers. Raimi has concluded each film perfectly and seamlessly made a trilogy. Plus, there are tons of other classic villians that deserve the spotlight even before anybody considers bringing one back.

 

[Capt Throbberson]

I don't mind killing villains, but they basically pounded Venom into the ground basically killing any chance of him coming back. I mean, I'm not saying he would come back, but at least leave it a little open, just in case.

 

[FatalEnergy]

I rather see villians die than escape.

And I dont think a movie with venom as the main villian would work. There wouldnt be enough story. It would practically be the same as this movie, because you gotta show peters battle with the symbiote, then eddie becoming venom. Theres no way that could be a full movie. They're using venom perfectly in this movie. 15-20 minutes is more than enough screen time for venom imo.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

some Villians die in certain ways where you can't bring them back. now it's not because they don't like the villian but because it must work in order for it to be reasonable. I am probably wrong about that but I know far fact that some villians die in these films because that was part of their storyline in the film. Venom dies because of the symbiote, Green Goblin died because of the glider. notice the reasons for the deaths? it's just something I find easy to believe instead of thinking Sam insist on killing villians because I know it may seem that way but it really isn't. these are mistakes the villians made which caused their deat, like when the Green Goblin thought the glider wa going to hit spidey but spidey jumped over it and it hit Green Goblin. Venom didn't know of his weakness which means the symbiote purposley blocked it from Brocks mind causing Brocks death. I already explained why Sandman doesn't die in my first post in this thread. Sam has tried his hardest to make the sure each and every scene works for the film and it really shows.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

I heard that Doc ock wasn't dead, and only brock die, not venom. Venom will return with Gargan.

umm....ocks dead...why bring him back when he ended his life sane...also...venom dies too

 

[DyeLorean]

I'm not as upset with the villians dying... I'm more upset with Spidey always having the need to unmask himself to EVERYONE. I know Civil War kinda changed this aspect of Spidey, but one of the tenets of Peter Parker is that his identity as Spider-Man is secret.

I know what you mean, and I kinda feel the same when I see Spidey 2, the train scene. The last bit where he's trying to stop the train, it should've been 34 millions times better if it was SpiderMan and not Peter Parker with the SpiderMan suit. I mean, Tobey's weird faces....

Then again, when Doc Ock was in the water, but that was kinda needed, so then MJ could know who SpiderMan was.

D!

 

[The Joker]

Then again, when Doc Ock was in the water, but that was kinda needed, so then MJ could know who SpiderMan was.

D!

Not only that, but he had to reason with Ock as Peter Parker, not Spider-Man. To make Ock see the error of his evil ways. He may not have been able to reason with him as the masked Spider-Man.

Not as effective as a face Otto knows.

 

[DyeLorean]

Not only that, but he had to reason with Ock as Peter Parker, not Spider-Man. To make Ock see the error of his evil ways. He may not have been able to reason with him as the masked Spider-Man.

Not as effective as a face Otto knows.

Right. But it's myself and the fact that I can't stand watch SpiderMan without his mask for a long time, it takes away all the... I don't know... that mysterious touch of the superhero can't explain.

Then again, his masked is ripped off in the 1st one, and so in this 3rd one, that's fine for me, but I don't like it that much to be honest.

D!

 

[HCpride]

well hey thanks for telling me venom died
sure this is a spoiler forum,but i dont want to know every damn detail like that

 

[shigsy2003]

well hey thanks for telling me venom died
sure this is a spoiler forum,but i dont want to know every damn detail like that

Not only that but you have come to a thread that discusses villians deaths. Now if we were only talking about Norman and Ock this thread would have been movied as it would have nothing to do with 3. But being as it is still here logic suggests that a character out of 3 will die and is being discussed.

 

[chaseter]

well hey thanks for telling me venom died
sure this is a spoiler forum,but i dont want to know every damn detail like that

Harry dies too!!!

 

[MrZombay]

Sorry man but this IS the spoiler forum, The title of this thread gives a pretty big hint that were going to be talking about which villians bite it.

 

[MeenieWK]

Doc Ock has it pretty right.

Rami ended each villains career based on what happened in their story arch.

Green Goblin: He dies to pay for the sins he committed in his life, as well as a direct result of his own actions.

Doctor Octopus: He dies to wrap up his story arc and the theme of the film, sacrifice. He sacrificed himself and his machine so that his ideas could live on un tarnished...much like Peter wanted to give up the girl so that he could continue being a hero. It was Doc Ock's passion for his machine and scientific ideas that led to his demise.

New Goblin: He dies to end his arc. He sacrifices his own life to save Peter and symbolizes the theme of forgiveness in movie three.

Sandman: Sandman's arc ends with him going in jail to pay for his crimes. This reflects the theme of accepting responsibility in the film.

Venom: Venom dies and dies in the way he does to show that the symbiot has stripped Eddie Brock to the core. That he was so evil and willing to hate that this hatred went down to his bones. His purpose was to symbolize the overall theme of "great power, great responsibility" that has grown throughout the films. Eddie Brock symbolizes what would happen in a person was given great power without having been raised by a man like Ben Parker with the ideals that he raised Peter with.

Each villains ending served a purpose to his complete story arc. It is tied into the theme of the film they are in and symbolize the characters actions.

Rami's done a good job thus far, no complaints.

-R

Agree 100% with the above.

people moaning about Venom dying.. is more just .. ."oh Sams killing off MY favourite villian... how could he do this to ME..."

far more concerned about that... than what is right for the movie as a whole!

 

[shigsy2003]

Agree 100% with the above.

people moaning about Venom dying.. is more just .. ."oh Sams killing off MY favourite villian... how could he do this to ME..."

far more concerned about that... than what is right for the movie as a whole!

That's not the reason I am not happy with it. I just don't see the need to kill Brock. I mean I can justify why Brock dies but I still don't like it. He should have been locked up...but hey, it wasn't meant to be. Oh well!!!