Why Nolan??

Memento is one of the best movies of the last 10 years. That should be reaosn enough.

But he is a competent director who may not be trying to make the movie of a generation or say something intricately complex and wise about our generation/culture/media/world which many great directors have....

but he knows how to make a great movie that entertains without taking himself so serioiusly he gets lost in his own hype (a la Shamylan). Insomnia was a typical thriller but he manages to always get great actors to give great performances that lent the movie some life and the way he has his films edited and juxtaposed keeps things lively, entertaining, and the audience involved enough to not see how the mechanics work.

The Presitge very much was a film about his style. All of his non-Memento films are arguably completely consumatory after a single viewing (albeit I still enjoy watching The Prestige and BB to a lesser extent), but for that viewing he keeps the audiences enamored enough to completely manipulate them so they don't see what's coming from up his sleeve, which is just a sleight of hand. He visually makesh is films interesting. The Prestige did not look like your typical stogey film set in the Victorian era. Besides when the greats like Coppola or Scorcesse set a movie in that era, it is almost always in the Merchant Ivory vein of water-color painting styled and stately (aka boring) camera work that merely follows the audience around (you could argue Branaugh broke this with Hamlet, but he was too enamored with himself to let the story feow past his spinning tracking shots).

There is a life and vitality to The Prestige that makes it all feel in the moment and present (even if it is during the turn of the century) and the atmosphere of what the chnological revolution was in that age.

And yes he can do the same with Batman Begins, because BB makes a superhero feel somewhat realistic. He balances the cliches of the genre, the studio mandated **** (bad lines and needless action scenes) and puts in car chases and train chases and an overabundance of explosions and a beat-by-beat storyline.

But it works to marvelous affect beccause Nolan uses the tricks of the trade adn the mise en scene to give it enough versimilitude that audiences believe in the material and give a damn about what is happening but still sits comfortably asn an etertaining action movie meant for disposable fun (despite what fanboys say) but with enough depth to be worth revisiting. And again he has an amazing cast that take some pretty thin characters (because outside of Batman and Alfred, no one is that terribly developed in this film) and makes them feel real, breath easy and makes the audience feel them through their small bits and impacting performances to care. It doesn't go through the motions like most action movies but takes the contrivances of the genre and under nolan's style makes them work as well as a Paul Haggis movie, which due to "politicallly and socially important messages are brilliant."


Yes fanboys overpraise him because of BB and thinks he should direct every movie with a geek interest....ever. He has not reached the same plateau as ay Alfred Hitchcock or other populist directors (Steven Speilberg being another exaple), but snobs are too dismissing ofh is work, simply because he is a populist. But hey in his heyday Hitchcock had no respect and people still claim that Speilberg is low-brow and uses puppets in the face of movies like Schindler's List, Munich, Empire of the Sun and Saving Private Ryan.

Now Nolan as of yet hasn't reached that level of quality or prestige (no pun intended) but wh try and argue with elitists who today kiss the asses of Charlie Chaplin, John Ford, Frank Capra, Alfred Hitchcock and other AMAZING DIRECTORS THAT DEFINED THE ARTFORM, but under the same pretenses can be dismissed as genre filmmakers who "don't make anything of substance."

Right....

As always DACrowe, your posts are a pleasure to read, and are worth infinitely more substance than the other neighborhood wannabe film snob, Cyrusbales. Cheers, mate. :up:
 
As always DACrowe, your posts are a pleasure to read, and are worth infinitely more substance than the other neighborhood wannabe film snob, Cyrusbales. Cheers, mate. :up:

Agreed. DACrowe...you know your stuff man.

Call it like you see it, and you're right more often than not. Kudos :up:

CFE
 
you'd think, if you took all the time to think it out and write it, you would at least double check. typos galore.
 
I'm terrible about typos. I just write it out as quickly as I think of it (which isn't as long as it....looks) and then move on. But yeah I realize I have a tone of typos in most of my posts.
 
I've seen every one of his films, and been dissapointed with every single one. I personally don't understand the love for him, it seems as if his publicity has turned him into the cool director to like, but then again, many cinema goers aren't even exposed to talented directors, so I guess it's not their fault.
 
i don't know why, really. He's not too good at action movies and lays themes on too thick. fear fear fear fear fear
 
I've seen every one of his films, and been dissapointed with every single one. I personally don't understand the love for him, it seems as if his publicity has turned him into the cool director to like, but then again, many cinema goers aren't even exposed to talented directors, so I guess it's not their fault.
its very simple. you dont like how he makes movies.
nothing wrong with that. i belive that you still have a lot of directors that you like.
 
its very simple. you dont like how he makes movies.
nothing wrong with that. i belive that you still have a lot of directors that you like.

He has nothign that makes him a great director, his direction tells the story, it barely enhances it or makes comment or tells another story outside the narrative, it's basic.
 
He has nothign that makes him a great director, his direction tells the story, it barely enhances it or makes comment or tells another story outside the narrative, it's basic.
ok he is a basic director.
i think he is more then that. :yay:
 
elaborate? His direction does not transcened the narrative.
i agree with 80% that was written in this thread from the ones that like him.

i like hes aproach and i think he is very inteligent. i also think he doenst want to make hes movies more than they are.
he is a simple guy making simple movies. but they are not simple IMO.
 
elaborate? His direction does not transcened the narrative.

Isn't it you who should be elaborating things here, guy? Why don't you start with expressive detail about what exactly you mean by "direction transcending the narrative", so that I can easily poke holes in your shabby logic like others have done countless number of times? :o
 
As in direction that makes more than just the story, like Almodovar's social commentary, or Terry Gilliam's views on personal identity fleshed out through his work.
 
As in direction that makes more than just the story, like Almodovar's social commentary, or Terry Gilliam's views on personal identity fleshed out through his work.

Of course it is good when a film has a certain subtext and parallel to real-life, but that is, in no way whatsoever, an even remotely scientific barometer to judge filmmakers with. Film can be one or many different things at once, and restricting it to such limited criteria is just being narrow-minded. :dry:
 
elaborate? His direction does not transcened the narrative.

Should it? That really doesn't make any sense to me. Are you saying his direction should stand out from the story, as in "hey, this story is BOOORING but I sure love the way the director uses the darkness to accentuate the evil of that bad guy!"

To me, Nolan totally immerses himself in the material, and emerges from it and creates this totally believable world. And then he uses every aspect of this world in conveying his feeling and view of the material. He is one of the best tension builders out there, and his meticulous attention to atmosphere always lends itself well to whatever mood he chooses for the film.

People complain that there is no breathing room in his direction; to me, that is totally inaccurate. I feel he just constantly maintains the flow of the narrative without missing a beat, and as a result, may lose viewers who aren't that smart or attentive. He gives out a lot of material, and every second of it is important.
 
He's made 5 poorly directed action movies? :huh:

I think he was being sarcastic about the fact that people are bashing his action directing for "Batman Begins" in spite of the fact that it was his first action film.

And for a first attempt, I'd say it was fairly decent.

CFE
 
i don't know why, really. He's not too good at action movies and lays themes on too thick. fear fear fear fear fear

Glad to know your benchmark for a good movie is where the camera is during an action scene, and just as overzealous fanboys praising him, you apparently have only seen Batman Begins.

(And I'm sure you have seen others btw, but still have to fall back on what one either loved or hated about their geek fetishes on this website).
 
Should it? That really doesn't make any sense to me. Are you saying his direction should stand out from the story, as in "hey, this story is BOOORING but I sure love the way the director uses the darkness to accentuate the evil of that bad guy!"

To me, Nolan totally immerses himself in the material, and emerges from it and creates this totally believable world. And then he uses every aspect of this world in conveying his feeling and view of the material. He is one of the best tension builders out there, and his meticulous attention to atmosphere always lends itself well to whatever mood he chooses for the film.

People complain that there is no breathing room in his direction; to me, that is totally inaccurate. I feel he just constantly maintains the flow of the narrative without missing a beat, and as a result, may lose viewers who aren't that smart or attentive. He gives out a lot of material, and every second of it is important.


He's saying that Nolan just tells the basic narrative without subplots (which is not true in any of his movies but Batman Begins, but true of Begins, it still works in spite of a flawed script) and that because it has no subtext or attempts to evoke anything more than well-crafted and articulate entertainment (as in it isn ot mindless, but just a story to be told that begins and then ends) that he is overrated.

Well I agree fanboys do overrate him and I don't think he is one of the greats as of yet, but he has a helullva lot more potential than directors that snobs slobber all over today. He tells his stories with a real artful cleverness and manages to entertain audiences.

But because his movies are essientially tricks for the populis that require thinking but not telling them a profound thought about life, media, art, society, our culture, post-modernism or what have you that he is a bad director.

I call that an arrogant and ignorant statement. He does say things in his movie, but those aren't his points. I mean Hitchcock (with notable excceptions) is the best example of a director who wanted rarely more than to thrill, trick, enthrall and bring pleasure to audiences. Criticso f the day hated him for that. Now posters like Cyrubales can do nothing but praise his unquestioning genius.

But for those today who just want to be good storytellers. They are to be hated. Go figure.
 
The Presitge very much was a film about his style. All of his non-Memento films are arguably completely consumatory after a single viewing (albeit I still enjoy watching The Prestige and BB to a lesser extent), but for that viewing he keeps the audiences enamored enough to completely manipulate them so they don't see what's coming from up his sleeve, which is just a sleight of hand. He visually makesh is films interesting. The Prestige did not look like your typical stogey film set in the Victorian era. Besides when the greats like Coppola or Scorcesse set a movie in that era, it is almost always in the Merchant Ivory vein of water-color painting styled and stately (aka boring) camera work that merely follows the audience around (you could argue Branaugh broke this with Hamlet, but he was too enamored with himself to let the story feow past his spinning tracking shots).

You're exactly right about The Prestige, although I think that's a film that requires repeat viewing to really appreciate. There's so much misdirection layered throughout the film. The film itself is a magic trick...once you find out how it's done, it's completely obvious what's going on for the entire film. I'd read the original novel, so most of the secrets I thought were obvious throughout the film completely shocked some of the people I saw it with.
 
General Opinion of NOLAN fans

The films made by Christopher Nolan are strangely engrossing, there is no breathing room in his films every second counts. With Memento he created an atmosphere so strong that audiences and critics were able to overlook a massive plot hole (If the last thing the main character remembers is his wife dying, then how does he remember that he has short-term memory loss). In The Prestige there is a life and vitality to it as if everything was happening in the moment (even if it is during the turn of the century). For Batman Begins he was able to make everything feel real despite it being the story of a man dressing up as a bat to fight crime.

The world we see in Christopher Nolan's films is not the real world but it feels like it is. His films don't give any profound messages about life, art, or culture. He is simply telling stories designed to thrill, trick, enthrall and bring pleasure to audiences. Afterall isn't that what its all about.

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I think he was being sarcastic about the fact that people are bashing his action directing for "Batman Begins" in spite of the fact that it was his first action film.

And for a first attempt, I'd say it was fairly decent.

CFE

You seem to have your head on straight.

The lines in bold sum up Nolan as a director perfectly. I think he is too, and don't see where all the overblown praise is coming from besides it being some side-effect from how overrated begins became.
 
Glad to know your benchmark for a good movie is where the camera is during an action scene, and just as overzealous fanboys praising him, you apparently have only seen Batman Begins.

(And I'm sure you have seen others btw, but still have to fall back on what one either loved or hated about their geek fetishes on this website).

I don't have that high a benchmark actually, so that really says something...

Um, the only one I saw was memento. cool movie. Not the be all end all.
 

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