The Dark Knight Why TDK won't be next BR or another disappointment

[Katsuro]

I'd rather have these movies make only decent money, but be damn good, then have them ****ty commercial tripe that makes box office records. I know a studio like WB wouldn't agree, but hopefully Nolan would. Who cares if kids dont go see the movie? We saw what happens when you make a kid-friendly Batman movie.

If you make Batman appropriate for kids, you lose a lot of the appeal to the older fans. Older fans like Batman because of his dark, serious tone. Batman Begins is considered to be so great because it's gritty and realistic. Lose that, and lose what made Begins good.

 

[StorminNorman]

I'd rather have an uber-good Batman movie that CAN make money, opening up the way for future sequels than have an uber-good dark as hell Batman movie that CAN'T make money and destroy the franchise (Batman: Year One)

 

[El Payaso]

I'd rather have an uber-good Batman movie that CAN make money, opening up the way for future sequels than have an uber-good dark as hell Batman movie that CAN'T make money and destroy the franchise (Batman: Year One)

^ That reminds me the joke: "God, food here is awful!", "Yes, and they serve so little".

 

[aquiles]

What?

Batman should always stay as dark and serious superhero, not like Superman or Spidey, though I like them also.

Batman doesn't need kids, teenagers make their job.

Look at Terminator 2, it had R-rating, but still, it was successful movie. The same goes to X2 and Aliens.

BB had it's audience - fans and teenagers. And that's enough for sequel to get even more money than BB.

im with you man,batman SHOULD always stay dark,he is not superman or spidey,he can go as dark as hell we know what happens when you make a kiddy batman flick,so

 

[aquiles]

That's really selfish. Batman's main audience for the past 60-some years. I love Batman and I love it when he's deep, dark, twisted character; but on film, I'll live with it being more light on maturity for kids to go see. If you want it to me mature, just read the books.



WB wants kids to go. When you appeal to kids, you get both kids and adults to see it.



Fans don't have to be the teenage or middle-aged geeks, they can be kids too

what the **** is that mate you want batman back to the times of batman & robin or what,your plain stupid man, batman is dark creature and should always stay dark you want a light film go and ****ing watch spidey or batman & robin if thats what you waant you moron

 

[mcflytrap]

At first, lets look at movie like Batman Returns.

I can't understand why almost all fanboys started all this crap about BR as movie with very different formula to B89?

In BR I saw the same formula, but with only new vissual style and other Post-Production stuff. Everything another? Script had the same strategy, which was alos used in B89.

Just watch BR again. It was another superhero movie without anything new in storytelling.

What was changed?

1. BR was much darker movie than B89
2. Vissual Style
3. More action
4. Inntroducing figure like Catwoman
5. 3 villians

And thats all, nothing new. No new formula or storytelling. Everything is the same, just better action scenes and more animal stuff (Bat vs. Cat vs. Penguin).

And now lets look at sequels, which had REAL different formulas.

There are examples:
Godfather II, T2 and Aliens.

Godfather II. What was new?

1. The main character is Michael
2. New storytelling
3. Development of characters

So except all this Post-Production stuff, formula is different.

T2, what was new?

1. T-800 as good Terminator
2. New storytelling
3. From Sci-Fi movie (T1;there also were some horror-movie scenes) to huge summer blockbuster (T2)
4. The main character is John
5. Development of characters
6. Terminator vs. Terminator

Everything new, besides the main idea of the movie.

And, the last one is Aliens.

1. From Sci-Fi horror movie to Sci-Fi adventure movie
2. New storytelling and characters
3. Now there are aliens, not only one monster

Of course, there also were much more action scenes.

So, the final question is Why TDK won't suck?

1. Nolan had enough freedom, while he was working on BB, so there is no chance that he will turn into next Burton
2. Cast
3. Goyer is back, so we won't see only Nolan's movie
4. It will be darker movie than BB, but not as dark as BR was, because I think everyone knows usual Nolan's vissual style (very dark, but not gothic)
5. There will be new psychological aspect
6. New characters and their development
7. I think Nolan knows about fans, who wanted to see a bit better action scenes in BB, so he will take it as advice working on the sequel
8. Nolan was always faithful to comics

So I think I proved my thoughts. Don't worry, everything is going to be GREAT

BTW, Ledger will be the best Joker, believe me. He looks and can act like Joker.

So what exactly is "new storytelling"? You use this phrase a lot but fail to divulge.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

what the **** is that mate you want batman back to the times of batman & robin or what,your plain stupid man, batman is dark creature and should always stay dark you want a light film go and ****ing watch spidey or batman & robin if thats what you waant you moron

Where did I say I wanted Batman to be over-the-top camp like B&R?

 

[aquiles]

Where did I say I wanted Batman to be over-the-top camp like B&R?

ohh im sorry you mean you want it as the sixties version right,or what do you want?or what do you ****ing mean by light film?

 

[StorminNorman]

No, he didnt say that at all - he is simply saying that he does not want to see an uber dark, gritty, film that is to dark for the little ones.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Thank you, StorminNorman.

That was my point from the beginning. We don't need a Batman film that has the violence of a slasher film. BB was perfect in terms of keeping it mature but suitable for a younger audience. Just because I say it kids should be able to see it doesnt mean I want Batman running around in broad day light trying to stop Joker from turning the world leaders into colored sand

 

[aquiles]

Thank you, StorminNorman.

That was my point from the beginning. We don't need a Batman film that has the violence of a slasher film. BB was perfect in terms of keeping it mature but suitable for a younger audience. Just because I say it kids should be able to see it doesnt mean I want Batman running around in broad day light trying to stop Joker from turning the world leaders into colored sand

ahhhhh you two ******s want a kiddy film,batman can go as dark,gritty and violent as the comic books so stop complaining you two kids about it the dark knight its gonna be very dark i tell you,so theres always gonna be ******s like you two to complain

 

[Spidey-Bat]

It'll never happen. Batman has a huge appeal to kids. Kids bring in a lot of money. WB wants money, so they'll have Batman be suitable for them while still allowing Nolan to create an intelligent, mature Batman flick.

BTW, tone it down or the mods will be after you.

 

[7Hells]

Dont even bother replying to him Spidey-Bat its obvious his mommy pizzed in his cheerios this morning.

 

[Katsuro]

I'd rather have an uber-good Batman movie that CAN make money, opening up the way for future sequels than have an uber-good dark as hell Batman movie that CAN'T make money and destroy the franchise (Batman: Year One)

Your point is lost, because the Year One movie would've sucked. It took too many liberties with the story (Big Al the mechanic?) and was a bit TOO dark. There's a limit to everything of course. Just because I say a Batman movie needs to remain dark and serious and not appeal to children doesn't mean it needs to go over the top with gore, violence, and nudity. Like I said, Batman has a specific audience that like him for specific reason, so his movies should reflect that. Most Batman fans dont like him cuz he makes for neat Happy Meal toys.

The Dark Knight HAS to be darker than Begins was, there's no doubt about that. BB had rather tame villains, at least in the way they were portrayed. Most of the voilence in that film was just due to Scarecrows gas, and there was not a lot of actual murder in that film. But this is Joker we're getting. He has to be dark, or else he'll just come off as silly. If he's not committing senseless acts of murder to counterbalance his bright, flamboyant personality, then you just get Cesar Romero all over again. The real Joker is NOT something that should appeal to kids in the least bit. I mean, they dont have to show the gore of it and get an R rating, but the implication of these things has to be there, and that will scare some children.

I just pray that they dont sacrifice what makes Batman cool just so they can get children into the theaters and sell a few toys. And even if it ever came down to this decision, i'd rather have one great Batman movie that wouldn't make enough money for a sequel, than a terrible Batman movie that would make enough for 10 equally terrible sequels.

 

[StorminNorman]

Your point is lost, because the Year One movie would've sucked. It took too many liberties with the story (Big Al the mechanic?) and was a bit TOO dark. There's a limit to everything of course. Just because I say a Batman movie needs to remain dark and serious and not appeal to children doesn't mean it needs to go over the top with gore, violence, and nudity. Like I said, Batman has a specific audience that like him for specific reason, so his movies should reflect that. Most Batman fans dont like him cuz he makes for neat Happy Meal toys.

It may not of made a great Batman film - however from all reports I have head, it would of made for a great, dark film loosely related on Batman.

 

[Cinemaman]

im with you man,batman SHOULD always stay dark,he is not superman or spidey,he can go as dark as hell we know what happens when you make a kiddy batman flick,so

Also, why we have doubts about box office numbers of TDK?

If it is great movie (and I think it will be so), it will make enough money ($240-260m domesticly).

 

[Cinemaman]

Also, I want to see TDK being just a bit darker movie than BB (neither BR, nor B&R).

 

[Eros]

Also, I want to see TDK being just a bit darker movie than BB (neither BR, nor B&R).

i assume it will be darker then batman begins, it can't be any lighter i suppose. I for one never saw begins as a "Dark Movie" in any sense, Starwars: Revenge of the sith was 10 times more depressing and darker then Begins. Batman begins didn't get me sad or depressed, it got me in a very good mood throughou hte film. All the important characters survived, and bBatman saved gothm city from the threat of a water melting machine. It was the classic superhero movie set-up, you had the love interest,the mentor,the troubled hero, and the villian who wanted to destroy the heroes city. comic book batman sotires from the past 22 years have been rated R type stories and some even go to NC-17 at times. At best The Dark Knight[which will be PG-13] will be alittle more "darker" becasue of the supervillain of the movie is the joker. you can't get any more violent or dark in a PG-13 flick anyways.

 

[Cinemaman]

^^^

Are you kidding?

So you want all character to die like it happened in X3?

Besides, ROTS wasn't so good movie.

And I don't want to see sadistic thriller with R rating.

I want a bit darker movie than BB, but still, great Batman movie.

I want it to be greater than BB and to have even better ideas.

So that's all.

But dude, you should really understand who is Batman. Bat-world isn't SW galaxy.

 

[Eros]

^^^

Are you kidding?

So you want all character to die like it happened in X3?

Besides, ROTS wasn't so good movie.

And I don't want to see sadistic thriller with R rating.

I want a bit darker movie than BB, but still, great Batman movie.

I want it to be greater than BB and to have even better ideas.

So that's all.

But dude, you should really understand who is Batman. Bat-world isn't SW galaxy.

you misundestand my young ward, i meant that batman begins [and hopefully dark knight] was not this gritty violent crime darma, that some posters want the sequel to be like. Im glad Begin and hopefully dark knight is not depressing and or to violent, i want to see a superhero movie not godfather[even though the godfather movies are the best].

 

[Cinemaman]

you misundestand my young ward, i meant that batman begins [and hopefully dark knight] was not this gritty violent crime darma, that some posters want the sequel to be like. Im glad Begin and hopefully dark knight is not depressing and or to violent, i want to see a superhero movie not godfather[even though the godfather movies are the best].

Then, I'll agree with you, sorry me.

Yeah, I also want TDK to be a bit darker movie than BB, but without so much violent.

Besides, I don't think they will go with Godfather's style.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Thank you, StorminNorman.

That was my point from the beginning. We don't need a Batman film that has the violence of a slasher film. BB was perfect in terms of keeping it mature but suitable for a younger audience. Just because I say it kids should be able to see it doesnt mean I want Batman running around in broad day light trying to stop Joker from turning the world leaders into colored sand

I laughed so hard when I read that.

ahhhhh you two ******s want a kiddy film,batman can go as dark,gritty and violent as the comic books so stop complaining you two kids about it the dark knight its gonna be very dark i tell you,so theres always gonna be ******s like you two to complain

So why stop there? If it's going to be just as "dark, gritty, and violent" as the comics then let's keep doing it like the comics and have Alien, Predator, and Clayface as the villians!

If you believe this movie will be in a dark style like Arkham Asylum, then you are sadly wrong.

It will be PG-13. Not dark like the current day comics nor as light as the 70s comics.

 

[Rynan]

"Dark" is a matter of personal opinion.