The Avengers Why the Avengers will be a Game Changer

[DoubleO_Stark]

This will be a game changer because i"ve seen this 3 times! No movie has ever made me go three times of my own free will and I ain't exactly rich.

 

[DoubleO_Stark]

Honestly, I'm not sure what people's definitions of "game changers" are. I don't think the Avengers has done anything new in terms of the genre. It's not "showing" the general public that super hero films can be fun and extremely popular. Superman showed audiences that in the 70's. And recently films like Spider-man have as well. The general public doesn't have those kinds of ideas when they think about superhero films, that largely an idea that circulates on places like these boards. Where fanboys congregate.

So in terms of the genre itself, I don't think this film will be much of a game changer. However, in terms of how studios approach superheroes from now on it will be. I don't mean in terms of what the movie itself does, but what the Avengers signifies. A four year plan with movies that all took place in the same universe and culminated in one film. It's showing studios that this concept can work, and they may try and adopt that in the future.

This is the only superhero film I've seen people get up and give a standing ovation to. That's a gamechanger in itself.

 

[Rock Sexton]

This is the only superhero film I've seen people get up and give a standing ovation to. That's a gamechanger in itself.

At my screening for the 5 cities that won a few weeks ago, everyone was so into it. I've never seen anything like it before. Heck, I've never really openly clapped during a film and I must've done it at least 3-4 times with everyone else.

That being said, that wasn't the official opening, so there were probably more fans in the audience than usual. Can't wait to see how much fun it's going to be tomorrow night.

 

[hopeisreal]

This is the only superhero film I've seen people get up and give a standing ovation to. That's a gamechanger in itself.

Yep, and I live in the UK where guys are VERY conservative and they clapped at the end which is VERY rare.

 

[spider-neil]

If anything, I hope it makes future CBM have a lot more action.

I don't hope that at all. I watched every individual marvel movie where they establish the hero and their motivation, with the avengers I was prepared to sit through a movie that was low on plot but high on action because the build up was in the individual movies and the pay off was in the avengers.

with other superhero movies they are not going to get that pass from me, I want a strong plot that establishes characters with motivations. the balance needs to be right. IM, SM2, TDK the balance is pretty much perfect.

 

[Tony Stark]

Honestly, I'm not sure what people's definitions of "game changers" are. I don't think the Avengers has done anything new in terms of the genre. It's not "showing" the general public that super hero films can be fun and extremely popular. Superman showed audiences that in the 70's. And recently films like Spider-man have as well. The general public doesn't have those kinds of ideas when they think about superhero films, that largely an idea that circulates on places like these boards. Where fanboys congregate.

So in terms of the genre itself, I don't think this film will be much of a game changer. However, in terms of how studios approach superheroes from now on it will be. I don't mean in terms of what the movie itself does, but what the Avengers signifies. A four year plan with movies that all took place in the same universe and culminated in one film. It's showing studios that this concept can work, and they may try and adopt that in the future.

You say it's hasn't done anything new, and then go on to say it's done something new.

It's a bit premature to call it a game changer, because I think it does have to be very successful, not just new. I mean Hulk definitely brought something new to the genre. I'm not sure it was good, and it certainly wasn't popular.

Adding something new to the genre is only one aspect, but it definitely has done that, despite what all the detractors have said.

 

[El Payaso]

That's exactly what it brought. It successfully molded 4 independent movie franchises that are all very different in their own way into a single cohesive film. It attempted something that no one else in their right mind would try to do.

So from now on, when we want to see a cool movie, we'll need to see four films before? If that ever happens, I guess that's something new this movie brought. Not too sure if I'll be happy about it but it'll be something new.

If so, they will still need to make every one of those four movies a good movies. Because the audience will know they're not the main course.

What it's done is put forth a big blockbuster movie in the old-school heroic style. So it is not bringing anything totally new, but just reminding you of how it SHOULD BE done. And if it is successful as it looks like it will be...then more studios will go away from the whole dark angsty idea and try the formula that Avengers has reignited

That's what I'm saying. It's reigniting more than bringing something new. It's not that Transformers or many other similar movies hadn't tried this for years.

 

[Ultimatehero]

In a word - YES - trust me everyone in the industry has heard the news. Directors, writers, everyone has a whole new level to break through. There was a glass ceiling to these movies and what they could do and be. Hell, I even thought there was a glass ceiling and this film? Well, I could hear glass shattering and it was f-ing sweet as hell. I felt like I was watching history being made.

Have other films included fantasy elements and the like? Yes. Have they ever gone to this level of extreme balls-in-your-face fantasy? No. Hell, some of these camera angles I've never even seen a film attempt - just maybe Tintin and that was animated. And the one at the end? BEAT that.

Whedon took up the mantle. He knew this was his make it or break it shot and - yeah - he's changed Hollywood.

As a writer, I now see no limitations.

I'm hoping this film will be a smash hit blockbuster success unlike anything we've ever seen before. Because if it is? Hollywood's going to be forever different. Not the fantasy elements, magic, etc. - but how much you can do in a film. Some of the things here, I've never seen before except for comic book panels.

And those who know I'm over at WB? Well, EVERY OFFICE I've been in is STACKED / OVER-FLOWING with comic books that everyone looks to for inspiration on bringing something to life. And the bar has obviously been held back by the financiers. The big news now? I think the financiers are going to go "wow-ee! Alright, yeah, we want a complete crowd pleaser!" I've never gotten a fangasm in a theater before - this one? Wow.

AVENGERS is a crowd-pleasing over money-pleasing film. As said, there was a glass ceiling in hollywood and as somebody out there. As a writer, and I'm sure plenty are going to feel the same - what we're doing isn't enough anymore. If we don't raise our bar to what we can show and what can be done -- we're gonna get left behind. The heart needs to improve. The character dynamics needs to improve. The SCOPE needs to improve.

THE DARK NIGHT cemented dark and gritty.

AVENGERS is going to cement what a spectacle should be and is. I literally felt like we left the silver age to enter into a new gold age. Probably not the only one too. And if the financiers see that? Get prepared for a new wave of filmmaking. Creative guys want those panels to come to life - as said comic books are a key source of inspiration - and now it's looking like we have something to wake the financiers up and remind us that there should never be a glass ceiling to what is possible in any terms. The scope of this film, especially towards the end, is bigger than anything I've ever seen before.

As somebody said - a run of the mill superhero movie now? Can't be done. Everything needs to raise it's bar fully to comic book level. I also got the fear that audiences may not show up to average superhero films because their bar is just not high enough. On one hand MARVEL has revolutionized the industry in more ways than one - but now? It's up to them and everyone to keep the bar that high, because otherwise - unsure how anything can live up to it. Studio and creative execs want to go above ad beyond. And now I think the financiers will hopefully see that too.

History has changed.

Not the fantasy elements, I could see how some would jump to that, rather what sold that was the scope and that we've only seen things like this in comic books and animation which now looks like it can finally be done. We just can't hold back anymore. That glass ceiling? Is gone.

Listen to this song and you'll get a feeling of what I'm sure Whedon is saying to studio heads and critics lol, he's opened the door for those who want to complete bring comics and animated films to life:

[YT]vCWdCKPtnYE[/YT]

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

In a word - YES - trust me everyone in the industry has heard the news. Directors, writers, everyone has a whole new level to break through. There was a glass ceiling to these movies and what they could do and be. Hell, I even thought there was a glass ceiling and this film? Well, I could hear glass shattering and it was f-ing sweet as hell. I felt like I was watching history being made.

Have other films included fantasy elements and the like? Yes. Have they ever gone to this level of extreme balls-in-your-face fantasy? No. Hell, some of these camera angles I've never even seen a film attempt - just maybe Tintin and that was animated. And the one at the end? BEAT that.

Whedon took up the mantle. He knew this was his make it or break it shot and - yeah - he's changed Hollywood.

As a writer, I now see no limitations.

I'm hoping this film will be a smash hit blockbuster success unlike anything we've ever seen before. Because if it is? Hollywood's going to be forever different. Not the fantasy elements, magic, etc. - but how much you can do in a film. Some of the things here, I've never seen before except for comic book panels.

And those who know I'm over at WB? Well, EVERY OFFICE I've been in is STACKED / OVER-FLOWING with comic books that everyone looks to for inspiration on bringing something to life. And the bar has obviously been held back by the financiers. The big news now? I think the financiers are going to go "wow-ee! Alright, yeah, we want a complete crowd pleaser!" I've never gotten a fangasm in a theater before - this one? Wow.

AVENGERS is a crowd-pleasing over money-pleasing film. As said, there was a glass ceiling in hollywood and as somebody out there. As a writer, and I'm sure plenty are going to feel the same - what we're doing isn't enough anymore. If we don't raise our bar to what we can show and what can be done -- we're gonna get left behind. The heart needs to improve. The character dynamics needs to improve. The SCOPE needs to improve.

THE DARK NIGHT cemented dark and gritty.

AVENGERS is going to cement what a spectacle should be and is. I literally felt like we left the silver age to enter into a new gold age. Probably not the only one too. And if the financiers see that? Get prepared for a new wave of filmmaking. Creative guys want those panels to come to life - as said comic books are a key source of inspiration - and now it's looking like we have something to wake the financiers up and remind us that there should never be a glass ceiling to what is possible in any terms. The scope of this film, especially towards the end, is bigger than anything I've ever seen before.

As somebody said - a run of the mill superhero movie now? Can't be done. Everything needs to raise it's bar fully to comic book level. I also got the fear that audiences may not show up to average superhero films because their bar is just not high enough. On one hand MARVEL has revolutionized the industry in more ways than one - but now? It's up to them and everyone to keep the bar that high, because otherwise - unsure how anything can live up to it. Studio and creative execs want to go above ad beyond. And now I think the financiers will hopefully see that too.

History has changed.

Not the fantasy elements, I could see how some would jump to that, rather what sold that was the scope and that we've only seen things like this in comic books and animation which now looks like it can finally be done. We just can't hold back anymore. That glass ceiling? Is gone.

Listen to this song and you'll get a feeling of what I'm sure Whedon is saying to studio heads and critics lol, he's opened the door for those who want to complete bring comics and animated films to life:

[YT]vCWdCKPtnYE[/YT]

so much enthusiasm. I love that.

 

[baerrtt]

I enjoyed this movie but as usual fanboys are over enthusiastic in their praise by using that ever so slightly over used word 'game changer'.

If anything the film is a REMINDER that it is still possible to make a light hearted action/adventure oriented blockbuster, summer or otherwise, that's actually a good or great picture.

 

[baerrtt]

This is the only superhero film I've seen people get up and give a standing ovation to. That's a gamechanger in itself.

A friend went to see BATMAN BEGINS on release and told me that the audience gave it a standing ovation at the end.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

In a word - YES - trust me everyone in the industry has heard the news. Directors, writers, everyone has a whole new level to break through. There was a glass ceiling to these movies and what they could do and be. Hell, I even thought there was a glass ceiling and this film? Well, I could hear glass shattering and it was f-ing sweet as hell. I felt like I was watching history being made.

Have other films included fantasy elements and the like? Yes. Have they ever gone to this level of extreme balls-in-your-face fantasy? No. Hell, some of these camera angles I've never even seen a film attempt - just maybe Tintin and that was animated. And the one at the end? BEAT that.

Whedon took up the mantle. He knew this was his make it or break it shot and - yeah - he's changed Hollywood.

As a writer, I now see no limitations.

I'm hoping this film will be a smash hit blockbuster success unlike anything we've ever seen before. Because if it is? Hollywood's going to be forever different. Not the fantasy elements, magic, etc. - but how much you can do in a film. Some of the things here, I've never seen before except for comic book panels.

And those who know I'm over at WB? Well, EVERY OFFICE I've been in is STACKED / OVER-FLOWING with comic books that everyone looks to for inspiration on bringing something to life. And the bar has obviously been held back by the financiers. The big news now? I think the financiers are going to go "wow-ee! Alright, yeah, we want a complete crowd pleaser!" I've never gotten a fangasm in a theater before - this one? Wow.

AVENGERS is a crowd-pleasing over money-pleasing film. As said, there was a glass ceiling in hollywood and as somebody out there. As a writer, and I'm sure plenty are going to feel the same - what we're doing isn't enough anymore. If we don't raise our bar to what we can show and what can be done -- we're gonna get left behind. The heart needs to improve. The character dynamics needs to improve. The SCOPE needs to improve.

THE DARK NIGHT cemented dark and gritty.

AVENGERS is going to cement what a spectacle should be and is. I literally felt like we left the silver age to enter into a new gold age. Probably not the only one too. And if the financiers see that? Get prepared for a new wave of filmmaking. Creative guys want those panels to come to life - as said comic books are a key source of inspiration - and now it's looking like we have something to wake the financiers up and remind us that there should never be a glass ceiling to what is possible in any terms. The scope of this film, especially towards the end, is bigger than anything I've ever seen before.

As somebody said - a run of the mill superhero movie now? Can't be done. Everything needs to raise it's bar fully to comic book level. I also got the fear that audiences may not show up to average superhero films because their bar is just not high enough. On one hand MARVEL has revolutionized the industry in more ways than one - but now? It's up to them and everyone to keep the bar that high, because otherwise - unsure how anything can live up to it. Studio and creative execs want to go above ad beyond. And now I think the financiers will hopefully see that too.

History has changed.

Not the fantasy elements, I could see how some would jump to that, rather what sold that was the scope and that we've only seen things like this in comic books and animation which now looks like it can finally be done. We just can't hold back anymore. That glass ceiling? Is gone.

Listen to this song and you'll get a feeling of what I'm sure Whedon is saying to studio heads and critics lol, he's opened the door for those who want to complete bring comics and animated films to life:

[YT]vCWdCKPtnYE[/YT]

 

["_____"]

yes...

its a game changer

There is just something about this movie.... i could easily see it 3 more times this weekend and not be bored by it.... the nonstop action in the last act, the way the actors fed off each other... and don't even get me started with the hulk....

This felt like it was ripped right from the pages of a comic book

loved it

 

[Infinity9999x]

Just saw the movie last night and all I can saw is wow. Joss nailed that sucker. It was great, pure fun.

However, I still really wouldn't call this a game changer. It doesn't do anything new in terms of the genre. We've seen multiple superheros fight together before. It's got great action, but it's not like other films haven't had great action before. The only "game changing" aspect I see to it is other studios seeing that creating a whole world for multiple characters in separate movies to co-exist in can work. Aside from that, I don't really think it changed anything. It was just great at what it was, an awesome, fun, action packed, comic film.

 

[Ultimatehero]

As said above the game changers is the glass ceiling. Entering the biz as a writer who tries to and wants to break the rules. Even I thought there were limitations to what could be done. Superhero movies prior tried to imitate comic books, but they were obviously all holding back. That's what last night showed me and most others. It's that what we thought couldn't be seen now can. I liken it to what audiences must have felt when they saw Superman flying for the first time.

So it's not genre, it's not the elements it's how far over the top they went in film terms. They replicated comic book panels rather than take inspiration from them almost, if that makes sense? Just I never thought this was possible. And in Hollywood, by some people I've been told "this seems like it can only work through motion capture animation like Tintin, it's too much for live action" - this movie has showed that really, it's not, a lot of us just think it is. That's what Joss Whedon showed last night. Even that unique and interesting camera move in TinTin that a lot just thought we could see in animation, Whedon did in live action which is still mind blowing to me. Now it's how to survive in a post-Avengers world creatively lol. Not in the genre elements or anything like that - just in the rare scope of spectacle it presented in what can be done and what that should feel like. Because after that? The audience expectations have definitely risen as to what can be achieved whether it be camera angles or just overall scope (not elements).

 

[Filmmaster]

i've seen Avengers and yes the action scenes where great,but the story was 'Not that intresting to pay intrest to'

i cant even remember most of the story only that "Some aliens want to destroy earth and for what exeactly?" i dont remember.

What where the exact reasons to destroy it all?

The whole Assemble espect was great though,well executed and so on.

 

[Ultimatehero]

i cant even remember most of the story only that "Some aliens want to destroy earth and for what exeactly?" i dont remember.

That's because in plot terms Whedon did go simplistic and basic, probably and mainly to leave room for all the character interaction and meeting to unite. This was a more character driven than plot driven film or a character analysis rather. I mean in the confrontation sequence, all of them bickering, he really tore Tony down for example in character analysis. Looking back - Iron Man was a hero? He wasn't. His mentor steals his suit after trying to kill him, so Tony stops him. Vanko confronts him at Monaco and then works with Hammer to build high-tech suits to stop him and rival his business - Tony stops him. This is the first time we've ever seen Tony as a hero saving the world without any sense of it revolving solely around him or his company.

 

[Mjölnir]

i've seen Avengers and yes the action scenes where great,but the story was 'Not that intresting to pay intrest to'

i cant even remember most of the story only that "Some aliens want to destroy earth and for what exeactly?" i dont remember.

What where the exact reasons to destroy it all?

The whole Assemble espect was great though,well executed and so on.

The aliens weren't trying to destroy it, they were there to subjugate Earth so Loki could rule it.

As for story, you don't need a complicated story all the time. Most stories have already been told and it's all in the execution. Take True Grit, which I think is a great western film. The story is very simple but it works so well because every detail in the film is thought through and it's ultimately about the characters, not the plot in itself.

 

[roach]

Honestly, I'm not sure what people's definitions of "game changers" are. I don't think the Avengers has done anything new in terms of the genre. It's not "showing" the general public that super hero films can be fun and extremely popular. Superman showed audiences that in the 70's. And recently films like Spider-man have as well. The general public doesn't have those kinds of ideas when they think about superhero films, that largely an idea that circulates on places like these boards. Where fanboys congregate.

So in terms of the genre itself, I don't think this film will be much of a game changer. However, in terms of how studios approach superheroes from now on it will be. I don't mean in terms of what the movie itself does, but what the Avengers signifies. A four year plan with movies that all took place in the same universe and culminated in one film. It's showing studios that this concept can work, and they may try and adopt that in the future.

agreed. i don't see what game has been changed.

 

[roach]

A friend went to see BATMAN BEGINS on release and told me that the audience gave it a standing ovation at the end.

I've seen that happen a few times....at the end of Superman the movie, Batman '89, Raimi's Spider-man

 

[Metal Spidey]

Edit: Never mind, people won't get the joke.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

As somebody said - a run of the mill superhero movie now? Can't be done. Everything needs to raise it's bar fully to comic book level. I also got the fear that audiences may not show up to average superhero films because their bar is just not high enough. On one hand MARVEL has revolutionized the industry in more ways than one - but now? It's up to them and everyone to keep the bar that high, because otherwise - unsure how anything can live up to it. Studio and creative execs want to go above ad beyond. And now I think the financiers will hopefully see that too.

History has changed.

This reminds me of a thought-provoking quote from James Berardinelli's review of The Avengers:

This movie has the potential to revitalize the superhero movie genre... or kill it. The Avengers has raised the bar to a level where the more "traditional" approach of having a single superhero tangle with a supervillain or two may no longer be enough. Once characters like Iron Man, The Hulk, Thor, Captain America, Black Widow, and Hawkeye have become involved in an epic story of this sort, how can they go back to being regular superheroes? When something has been dialed up to an "11," isn't there an inherent letdown to turning it back to a "7"?

But when I had a conversation with my friend about this issue, she dismissed it by saying that if there's a good story, good writing, good characters, etc., audiences will still be interested in traditional superhero movies where you have one hero and one villain.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Only one thing crosses my mind since last night, still, thought I'd add it in:

"Those financial fools want you gone so they can get back to the way things were. But I know the truth: there's no going back. You've changed things... forever."

Escalation. That's what's different. The glass ceiling is gone as to what can be seen visually. Now everyone's, or at least I've been challenged to even try to come close lol. It was basically a gauntlet Whedon threw to filmmakers everywhere in terms of what's visually possible.

Also it's not the number of heroes or villains... let's use Iron Man...

Fastest example of what I could find. Now imagine something like that live action. What Avengers has shown is THIS is what can be achieved.

Flip through a comic now compare it to that character's - chances are you'll see things can be brought up a whole new notch. It wasn't the number of heroes or villains. It was really how far they went with it. We now know that's possible.

 

[Figs]

As much as I loved this damn movie, I don't think it's a game changer in regards to overall cinema. I will say it's a game changer when it comes to action and sadly it makes the previous five movies pale in comparison in that area and I can already tell it's going to be hard to watch those films again, especially when The Avengers comes out on Blu-ray.

The movie was definitely epic and had a good amount of heart to it but it didn't have that extra depth or subtext to push the comic book movie genre forward. This is probably my favorite comic book movie surpassing even TDK, Mainly because TDK's pacing wasn't that great and it can be a chore to get through if I'm not in the right mood.

I respect other people's opinions but I don't agree with those that still think Spider-Man 2 and X2 were better as comic book movies. They may have had more going on for them in the story department but Avengers was, as many have already said, a comic book come to life that no other comic film has done before.

I really look forward to the sequel not only because I love to see these characters together but there's the chance for them to really push the next film onto an even higher level, where it may in fact be more of a game changer.

I will say this film came extremely close though.

 

[roach]

the trick wasn't making Avengers big...the trick is what they do after avengers