Will Super villains actually do something during Planet Hulk?

[The Overlord]

Will Super villains actually do something during Planet Hulk or will they "sit this one out" like they have for almost every crossover for the last 5 years?!

 

[supermarvelman]

Well hopefully some of them take part in fighting the Hulk and his army, but I also hope that there are villians taking advantage of the situation and most of the Initiative being busy fighting.

 

[The Question]

Well, with the exception of looting, there's really not much advantage to take during a massive invasion. Everyone's pretty much concerned with survival.

 

[Dread]

The Hood will be becoming a new "Kingpin of the Underworld" in NEW AVENGERS soon, which means he'll be used that way throughout the Marvel Universe.

HYDRA has been running all over the place recently, actually, as well.

 

[PhotoJones]

Yeah, Hydra is everywhere these days. Like everywhere, everwhere. It probably averages out to at least one Hydra appearance a week.

 

[The Overlord]

Well, with the exception of looting, there's really not much advantage to take during a massive invasion. Everyone's pretty much concerned with survival.

Well looting is something, besides right as the heroes are winning, they villains can launch an attack the heroes while they weakened. anything would be better than what they have done for the last couple of crossovers, which is jack *****.

 

[The Question]

Well looting is something, besides right as the heroes are winning, they villains can launch an attack the heroes while they weakened. anything would be better than what they have done for the last couple of crossovers, which is jack *****.

Well, first off, "the villains" aren't usually that well organized. They're not some tight-knit community. They're criminals asociated simply because they share either super powers or a flair for the dramatic. If they "launched an atack," it would just be a cluster **** of people fighting and getting killed. Also, atacking the people defending the planet during an invasion is just a bad idea. Odds are, this is a situation where they'd all be on the same side.

 

[The Overlord]

Well, first off, "the villains" aren't usually that well organized. They're not some tight-knit community. They're criminals asociated simply because they share either super powers or a flair for the dramatic. If they "launched an atack," it would just be a cluster **** of people fighting and getting killed. Also, atacking the people defending the planet during an invasion is just a bad idea. Odds are, this is a situation where they'd all be on the same side.

Villains in the past have organized attacks very well against heroes, like the Masters of evil during the seige of the Avengers Mansion or the Marauders during the Mutant massacre. Frankly I'm sick of MU villains have no major role ina Marvel crossover. When is the last time a crossover actually involved a super villain?

 

[The Question]

Villains in the past have organized attacks very well against heroes, like the Masters of evil during the seige of the Avengers Mansion or the marauders
during the Mutant massacre.
Frankly I;m sick of mU villains have no major role ina Marvel crossover. When is the last time a crossover actually involved a super villain?

Well, if it would be forced and not suit the story, then it shouldn't happen. I mean, do you really think it would be good if, in the middle of a massive invasion, some criminals suddenly turned on the people helping to save their lives for pointless revenge?

 

[The Overlord]

Well, if it would be forced and not suit the story, then it shouldn't happen. I mean, do you really think it would be good if, in the middle of a massive invasion, some criminals suddenly turned on the people helping to save their lives for pointless revenge?

But when have villains had any role in any crossover in the past 7 years? The villains seem pathetic if they don't do nothing in these events.

 

[The Question]

But when have villains had any role in any crossover in the past 5 years? The villains seem pathetic if they don't do nothing in these events.

So you'd want to force a square peg into a round hole and so something stupid that adds nothing to the plot and simply makes in more confusing? Characters should only play a part in big events if they have a necessairy or logical role to play in the events. In World War Hulk, everyone should be fighting side by side against The Hulk and Co. Sure, there could be small scale betrayals, but launching an atack on the people fighting with them to save their planet would be idiotic and borderline suicidal. Now, if they played up on the criminal element taking advantage of the aftermath of the whole catastrophe, then that would make perfect sense.

 

[ang_hulk]

i will comment in one of many hulk threads avalible.

 

[The Overlord]

So you'd want to force a square peg into a round hole and so something stupid that adds nothing to the plot and simply makes in more confusing? Characters should only play a part in big events if they have a necessairy or logical role to play in the events. In World War Hulk, everyone should be fighting side by side against The Hulk and Co. Sure, there could be small scale betrayals, but launching an atack on the people fighting with them to save their planet would be idiotic and borderline suicidal. Now, if they played up on the criminal element taking advantage of the aftermath of the whole catastrophe, then that would make perfect sense.

The problem is villains have completely defanged, they did in CW, did very little in the aftermath. In cW the only thing the villains did is become Tony Stark's slaves. That's pathetic. Why can't marvel make a crossover that involves super villains? I'm sick of these crossovers that just involve heroes fighting eachother, they are boring.

 

[The Question]

The problem is villains have completely defanged, they did in CW, did very little in the aftermath. In cW the only thing the villains did is become Tony Stark's slaves. That's pathetic. Why can't marvel make a crossover that involves super villains? I'm sick of these crossovers that just involve heroes fighting eachother, they are boring.

Well, they could do something in the aftermath this time around. And would have much more oppourtunity to, I think, since crime tends to flourish after a major catastrophe. And really, we're stuck with World War Hulk right now, so instead of demanding that they force in a useless plot point (and useless plot points, I think, were one of the main reasons Civil War was so lackluster), let's just let WWH progress naturally and maybe we'll get a good story out of it.

 

[The Overlord]

Well, they could do something in the aftermath this time around. And would have much more oppourtunity to, I think, since crime tends to flourish after a major catastrophe. And really, we're stuck with World War Hulk right now, so instead of demanding that they force in a useless plot point (and useless plot points, I think, were one of the main reasons Civil War was so lackluster), let's just let WWH progress naturally and maybe we'll get a good story out of it.

One of the reasons I think CW sucked is the super villains did nothing, which made no sense from a plot stand point. Super heroes fighting eachother and no villains does anything to take advanatage of. Makes no sense. I mean what villains did we got with the aftermath of CW, Ultron as a girl, WTF?! Why should I believe they will do something good with the aftermath of WWH, when they did jack with CW and its aftermath?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Actually, supervillans did plenty. They ran, ran like hell from well organized superheros.

Look up Omega Flight.

In all truth, you'd be, like Question presented, shoving the square peg in the round hole by having supervillans organize, and attack the Stamford base or something, because then, all they do is launch an attack on any base that's stockpiled with superhumans, getting their asses handed to them, and all arrested.

They'll always have big villans, but it's been maybe all of two months, three months since the end of Civil War? It would be pretty rushed and forced to have tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of organized supervillan attacks, especially since they were pretty much severed and separated during the whole Civil War fiasco.

NOW, if they WERE capable of reorganizing, weaponizing, and planning an attack in a matter of weeks (which is the time table it seems to be) then apparently there's a huge problem with the whole Initiative thing, and basically, the entire world is screwed unless Franklin Richards comes back, and reality rapes everything back to normal via Scarlet Witch. To which, it would suck horribly.

But if you REALLY want horrible stories just so you can have some odd supervillan action in such a short time frame it wouldn't make sense, continue.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Dunno why, but it double posted.

 

[The Overlord]

Actually, supervillans did plenty. They ran, ran like hell from well organized superheros.

Look up Omega Flight.

Yeah they made them seem fearsome. Seriously did Tony go around and remove the stones from every villain right before CW, because they were pathetic in that storyline. How are the villains supposed to be a threat if all they can do is runaway? What will marvel just not use super villains anymore, because they are doing a pretty job of turning them into wimps.

In all truth, you'd be, like Question presented, shoving the square peg in the round hole by having supervillans organize, and attack the Stamford base or something, because then, all they do is launch an attack on any base that's stockpiled with superhumans, getting their asses handed to them, and all arrested. .

Why didn't the super villains do anything to prevent Tony's plan from suceeding, during CW, when the heroes actually fighting

They'll always have big villans, but it's been maybe all of two months, three months since the end of Civil War? It would be pretty rushed and forced to have tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of organized supervillan attacks, especially since they were pretty much severed and separated during the whole Civil War fiasco..

Well maybe if the villains weren't such wimps in CW, I wouldn't be demanding for more threatening villaiuns. Bsides the if the trends started after CW are any indiaction, the signs are not good. I again refer you to girl Ultron. They gave a Ultron a sex change and then said he/she was a ew and improved threat. WTF?!

NOW, if they WERE capable of reorganizing, weaponizing, and planning an attack in a matter of weeks (which is the time table it seems to be) then apparently there's a huge problem with the whole Initiative thing, and basically, the entire world is screwed unless Franklin Richards comes back, and reality rapes everything back to normal via Scarlet Witch. To which, it would suck horribly...

That's the problem with this new status quo, the villains can't be threatening unless they destory it and then the heroes are screwed. Writing wise, its a no win stituation.

But if you REALLY want horrible stories just so you can have some odd supervillan action in such a short time frame it wouldn't make sense, continue.

How about Marvel making a crossover where super heroes fight super villains, instead of eachother. What a shocking concept.

 

[IFryKids]

From what I can tell, I feel like the Abomination will get involved somehow. He'll probably just get his ass kicked, but I think he'll at least be seen in WWH at some point.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah they made them like ferarsome. Seriously did Tony go around and remove the stones from every villain right before CW, because they were pathetic in that storyline.

Yeah, having large squadrons of superhumans, and you're only like...one tends to make you rethink yourself.

I mean, I DOUBT you're going to put up much of a fight if I showed up out of the blue tomorrow morning, with an army behind me, and tell you to lay down on the grass.

So...cowardly? I guess, if you call wanting to survive the encounter cowardly. To do otherwise is what you call idiotic or suicidal.

Why didn't the super villains do anything to prevent Tony's plan from suceeding, during CW, when the heroes actually fighting

Like what? Go to congress and petition? You act as if SHIELD and Tony just had their sights set on Cap. You seem to not acknowledge that SHIELD is made up of more than fifteen people. (Whoa...deja vu, I must've said that before somewhere. )

Well maybe if the villains weren't such wimps in CW, I wouldn't be demanding for more threatening villaiuns. Bsides the if the trends started after CW are any indiaction, the signs are not good. I again refer you to girl Ultron. They gave a Ultron a sex change and then said he/she was a ew and improved threat. WTF?!

Wimps...how again? Because they're not dumb enough to band up in a group of twenty, and try to storm any single base housing possible hundreds of superhumans? Especially given they may potentially have killer clones on Clor's power level, and possibly en masse, and chances are, most of them aren't even at that level?

I mean, it's nice to think that the MU is just stockpiled with Apocalypse, Magneto, Abomination, and Annihilus' hordes running about, but in all truth, it's not. The Wrecking Crew is pretty much one of the most powerful teams about, and even they couldn't POSSIBLY stand up to the Initiative.

Now, let's say they somehow beat a team or two, it wouldn't be long before Tony just organizes a team designed to take them down, takes them down, and imprisons them.

Despite what you MAY want to believe, they're not all that dumb of people when it comes to their safety most of the time.

That's the problem with this new status quo, the villains can't be threatening unless they destory it and then the heroes are screwed. Writing wise, its a no win stituation.

That doesn't mean the villans are defanged. They're still pretty dangerous, HENCE the reason of the Initiative. So you'll have this stuff go down a lot.

In fact, if ANYTHING, there will be an influx of new villans for this very purpose.

How about Marvel making a crossover where super heroes fight super villains, instead of eachother. What a shocking concept.

They do have those. You know when Wolverine shows up in a Spider Man comic, and they take down the Sandman? There you go.

Big events that are the platonic "Good vs. Bad" are really kind of lame, since that's the bread and butter of the Marvel Universe.

That's why their big events tend to be things like Secret Wars, or Infinity Gauntlet or the like when heros and villans literally have to put such petty things away and do stuff beyond their means. Or else it's like one really long comic that probably should've been wrapped up in one or two issues, because nothing gets accomplished.


I mean, I can understand you'd like some more villan action, but you HAVE to give it time.

 

[Darthphere]

The Hood will be becoming a new "Kingpin of the Underworld" in NEW AVENGERS soon, which means he'll be used that way throughout the Marvel Universe.

HYDRA has been running all over the place recently, actually, as well.

Technically, I think we're suppsoed to believe he already is the Kingpin or whatever. Like, "yeah, he's been the Kingpin for like a year dude"

 

[The Overlord]

Yeah, having large squadrons of superhumans, and you're only like...one tends to make you rethink yourself.

I mean, I DOUBT you're going to put up much of a fight if I showed up out of the blue tomorrow morning, with an army behind me, and tell you to lay down on the grass..

They could have done something well the heroes were fighting eachother, Stark can't be everywhere and fighting half the heroes in the Marvel universe and still dealing the villains should have taxing it. It wasn't because the villains did jack.

So...cowardly? I guess, if you call wanting to survive the encounter cowardly. To do otherwise is what you call idiotic or suicidal. ..

How about a stratic retreat to orgaize a counterattack later, rather than total retreat and runing off like something pathetic beaten dog?

Like what? Go to congress and petition? You act as if SHIELD and Tony just had their sights set on Cap. You seem to not acknowledge that SHIELD is made up of more than fifteen people. (Whoa...deja vu, I must've said that before somewhere. )..

They could leave at least done some looting when the super heroes were involved in the major brawls and no one was patroling (like the fight at the chemical plant.)

Wimps...how again? Because they're not dumb enough to band up in a group of twenty, and try to storm any single base housing possible hundreds of superhumans? Especially given they may potentially have killer clones on Clor's power level, and possibly en masse, and chances are, most of them aren't even at that level? )..

Count Nefaria could easily match Clor and considering that the number of villains in MU is far greater than the number of heroes, couple the desprate desire of villains to prevent Stark succeeding, there should have an army of hundreds of super villains fighting them. That didn't happen, because MU villains are wimps.

I mean, it's nice to think that the MU is just stockpiled with Apocalypse, Magneto, Abomination, and Annihilus' hordes running about, but in all truth, it's not. The Wrecking Crew is pretty much one of the most powerful teams about, and even they couldn't POSSIBLY stand up to the Initiative.)..

There are tons of powerful villains you have not mentioned, like Count Nefaria. Also Universe X proves that Absorbing can be supremely dangerous, he just needs a smart leader.

Now, let's say they somehow beat a team or two, it wouldn't be long before Tony just organizes a team designed to take them down, takes them down, and imprisons them.

Despite what you MAY want to believe, they're not all that dumb of people when it comes to their safety most of the time.

That doesn't mean the villans are defanged. They're still pretty dangerous, HENCE the reason of the Initiative. So you'll have this stuff go down a lot..)..

If the initiative is as powerful as you say, how can any villain outside of Doom or a cosmic threat pose any sort threat to them? Stan lee sadi the villains should be more powerful then the hero because its dramatic to have the hero as the underdog. How are heroes the underdogs now? This just made most villains irrelevant.

In fact, if ANYTHING, there will be an influx of new villans for this very purpose...)..

New Villains like Ultron with a sex change? No thanks.

They do have those. You know when Wolverine shows up in a Spider Man comic, and they take down the Sandman? There you go.

That's not I meant, I was talking about crossover events that effect the whole MU, not another wolvie guest shot, which happens every week.

Big events that are the platonic "Good vs. Bad" are really kind of lame, since that's the bread and butter of the Marvel Universe..

Its better thasn watching the heroes like unrulely children and fight eachother for the most contrieved reasons. CW could have been avoided if Stark or Rogers had been written in character.

That's why their big events tend to be things like Secret Wars, or Infinity Gauntlet or the like when heros and villans literally have to put such petty things away and do stuff beyond their means. Or else it's like one really long comic that probably should've been wrapped up in one or two issues, because nothing gets accomplished.

I would rather see heroes fight Thanos than eachother again. Besides your forgetting about acts of vengeance.

I mean, I can understand you'd like some more villan action, but you HAVE to give it time.

Super villains have barely been involved with any crossover event in the past five years. I have waited long enough.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

They could have done something well the heroes were fighting eachother, Stark can't be everywhere and fighting half the heroes in the Marvel universe and still dealing the villains should have taxing it. It wasn't because the villains did jack.

Once again, SHIELD is made up of more than fifteen people. Stark isn't so absolutely vital to catching villans, that he MUST be there to do it.

How about a stratic retreat to orgaize a counterattack later, rather than total retreat and runing off like something pathetic beaten dog?

I don't really think you get the whole situation. They're not fighting for turf, they probably don't even care. They're about benefit, not some idiotic patriotism to some ideal they probably don't even believe in. That would be Luke Cage's department. I don't think they actually WANT to go up against the Initiative, since they're more concerned with making money and the like.

They could leave at least done some looting when the super heroes were involved in the major brawls and no one was patroling (like the fight at the chemical plant.)

Umm... they did. Most made obvious when the Secret Avengers kept busting them.

Count Nefaria could easily match Clor and considering that the number of villains in MU is far greater than the number of heroes, couple the desprate desire of villains to prevent Stark succeeding, there should have an army of hundreds of super villains fighting them. That didn't happen, because MU villains are wimps.

Count Nefaria is also heavily reliant on ionic energy sources. So it wouldn't work to his benefit to storm one of their strong holds, and then die there. And most of the villans are really not much, compared to the raw firepower the Initiative has and it's organization. And for them to be capable of organizing is also hard due to the reach of the Initiative.

I mean, I really don't see how this is so hard to understand. I mean, I can UNDERSTAND why you wanted villans to do this whole Crisis on Infinite Earth's thing, but it just isn't likely, or even logical.

There are tons of powerful villains you have not mentioned, like Count Nefaria. Also Universe X proves that Absorbing can be supremely dangerous, he just needs a smart leader.

Yeah, Absorbing man who gets his ass atomized by a non efforting Sentry...Painfully. He TOTALLY wants to have a round two with that. And the super super ultra mega powerful villan count in Marvel isn't exactly all that high. Unless you'd like to make a list.

If the initiative is as powerful as you say, how can any villain outside of Doom or a cosmic threat pose any sort threat to them? Stan lee sadi the villains should be more powerful then the hero because its dramatic to have the hero as the underdog. How are heroes the underdogs now? This just made most villains irrelevant.

I'm glad Stan Lee feels that way, as you share it. But Stan Lee definitely doesn't run Marvel, so it's not going to happen. Villans aren't irrelevant, the whole Initiative actually does something to the villans that has never happened like this before. They basically, as a collective, have to become smarter than they were.

New Villains like Ultron with a sex change? No thanks.

Once again: Patience. Learn it, love it.

That's not I meant, I was talking about crossover events that effect the whole MU, not another wolvie guest shot, which happens every week.

Well, basically that's what they would become.

Its better thasn watching the heroes like unrulely children and fight eachother for the most contrieved reasons. CW could have been avoided if Stark or Rogers had been written in character.

Actually, it probably STILL would have happened. It just wouldn't have been the same deal as we saw. More likely, Stark would've just waited a little longer, and stormed people like crazy, jailing or registering them, and Rogers would've actually appealed to the masses rather than just fight.

I would rather see heroes fight Thanos than eachother again. Besides your forgetting about acts of vengeance.

A single event? Oui. A single event that if replicated, would basically be like rewriting Civil War. That's the thing about big crossover events, they're meant to be different. If it were basically all "Supervillans team up, supervillans attack superheros, superheros overcome and win, absolutely nothing changes." It would be crap. Serious, unadulterated crap.

Super villains have barely been involved with any crossover event in the past five years. I have waited long enough.

Actually, they tend to be involved, usually by teaming with heros to overcome other problems, are are involved in some other way. In Civil War, they were part of both the Initiative and Resistance. The entire POINT of Civil War wasn't a "good v. evil" fight. That would be lame. That is like...99% of comics as it stands.

 

[Not Jake]

Doesn't MODOK's 11 answer this thread title? I thought that book's concept was that a bunch of villains are trying to take advantage of the superhero preoccupation

 

[Union Jack]

i'm sure i read somewhere tho (and i dont know if someone else has said this) that this new hood guy is gonna get all the villains together and organise them in a way that'll shake the foundations of the MU and give the heroes a major headache...kinda like a MU legion of doom perhaps.
i hope this does happen.

I wonder if the WWH story will crossover into all marvel comics...like excalibur (which i really love by the way!).