The Avengers Will the Captain pick up the Hammer?

[captainrogers]

I, personally think it's ridiculous that anybody has ever lifted or used Thor's hammer but himself or another asgardian, like Odin or Heimdall. That being said I do not believe anyone will wield Thor's hammer in any of the movies.

Why Is it ridiculous for someone like Rogers or Beta Ray To be able to wield the hammer?
I don't recall Odin specifying " whatever asgardian be worthy...."
I've always found the ambiguous yet specific nature of the enchantment intriguing. It's still shocks me that folks like Ben Grimm and Norrin Rad have been unable to heft it.
Odin was picky about merit, character & qualification....not Race.
Besides Thor is an awesome character in his own right. I've never whittled down his uniqueness to his ability to lift a hammer.
Cap having others wield his shield (like Bucky) is still unmistakably Cap and awesome.

 

[Surfer]

I don't want to create a Hulk / Thor debate out of this thread, but since we are discussing people weilding Thor's hammer only if they are worthy.

Now, as far as I know this page in comics is canon. So, my question is do most people believe that Hulk is also worthy of wielding Mjolnir (like Cap), or do most people feel that the Hulk is just so strong that he is able to defy the laws of Odins enchantments? I mean in the 1st image it looks like Hulk is struggling, so I am leaning towards the later. However, I haven't read this entire issue and it could be that he has just taken a thrashing from Thor and now has had enough. So, any input is appreciated as I am just curious.

Surfer

 

[captainrogers]

I don't want to create a Hulk / Thor debate out of this thread, but since we are discussing people weilding Thor's hammer only if they are worthy.

Now, as far as I know this page in comics is canon. So, my question is do most people believe that Hulk is also worthy of wielding Mjolnir (like Cap), or do most people feel that the Hulk is just so strong that he is able to defy the laws of Odins enchantments? I mean in the 1st image it looks like Hulk is struggling, so I am leaning towards the later. However, I haven't read this entire issue and it could be that he has just taken a thrashing from Thor and now has had enough. So, any input is appreciated as I am just curious.

Surfer

There are work-arounds.
Looking at that page, Technically THOR is the one 'wielding' the hammer.
Hulk is 'wielding' Thor's arm.
No enchantment broken there.

 

[captainrogers]

If that's canon, it was a clever move.

 

[Surfer]

There are work-arounds.
Looking at that page, Technically THOR is the one 'wielding' the hammer.
Hulk is 'wielding' Thor's arm.
No enchantment broken there.

I see what your saying. However, in the last image where he is hitting Thor it does look like the Hulk is in full possession of the Hammer, but I guess one could suggest that gravity is pulling it towards earth and maybe Hulk just directed it towards Thor's face.

Surfer

 

[Dr. Sid Jawtug]

I just hope Scar Jo lifts the hammer

 

[captainrogers]

I see what your saying. However, in the last image where he is hitting Thor it does look like the Hulk is in full possession of the Hammer, but I guess one could suggest that gravity is pulling it towards earth and maybe Hulk just directed it towards Thor's face.

Surfer

Thor's still holding it.
I think its just an off coloring job there. Notice Hulk himself really doesn't break his grip and he was holding Thor's right arm

 

[Gamma Burst]

I don't want to create a Hulk / Thor debate out of this thread, but since we are discussing people weilding Thor's hammer only if they are worthy.

Now, as far as I know this page in comics is canon. So, my question is do most people believe that Hulk is also worthy of wielding Mjolnir (like Cap), or do most people feel that the Hulk is just so strong that he is able to defy the laws of Odins enchantments? I mean in the 1st image it looks like Hulk is struggling, so I am leaning towards the later. However, I haven't read this entire issue and it could be that he has just taken a thrashing from Thor and now has had enough. So, any input is appreciated as I am just curious.

Surfer

Thor was holding the hammer; that's why Hulk could use it to hit him... The writer himself confirmed it when the book was released (which generated a lot of discussions between fans!).
Btw, Hulk could spend his whole life getting angry and still would'nt overcome Odin's enchantment.

 

[captainrogers]

Double post.

 

[Vartha]

I really hope cap doesn't lift thor's hammer in this movie

IF they have Cap lift Mjolnir, I HOPE they do it just after Hulk TRYING to lift it.t:

 

[cherokeesam]

Why Is it ridiculous for someone like Rogers or Beta Ray To be able to wield the hammer?
I don't recall Odin specifying " whatever asgardian be worthy...."
I've always found the ambiguous yet specific nature of the enchantment intriguing. It's still shocks me that folks like Ben Grimm and Norrin Rad have been unable to heft it.
Odin was picky about merit, character & qualification....not Race.
Besides Thor is an awesome character in his own right. I've never whittled down his uniqueness to his ability to lift a hammer.
Cap having others wield his shield (like Bucky) is still unmistakably Cap and awesome.

In the comics, you've got a helluva lot more room to work in tons of "worthy" characters that coulda (and have) wielded the Hammer; but in the MCU, there's still a *very* limited number of superheroes, so I think it's way too soon to start diluting Thor's character in that manner.

 

[DeGenerate10]

I would like to see if just for a brief scene. Maybe Thor loses it in a battle and Cap picks it up and gives it back to him.

 

[captainrogers]

In the comics, you've got a helluva lot more room to work in tons of "worthy" characters that coulda (and have) wielded the Hammer; but in the MCU, there's still a *very* limited number of superheroes, so I think it's way too soon to start diluting Thor's character in that manner.

I get that. That's why I'm not petitioning for cap to lift it inthe movie. I just don't understand the notion that it's ridiculous for captain america even in comic book form to be worthy.

 

[Herolee10]

I think the filmmakers would risk angering more people than pleasing them if they went with the route of having Cap or anyone earth bound lift up Thor’s hammer.

 

[captainrogers]

I think the filmmakers would risk angering more people than pleasing them if they went with the route of having Cap or anyone earth bound lift up Thor’s hammer.

Would it really anger the GA?

 

[Rock Sexton]

Would it really anger the GA?

The GA for the most part would be oblivious .... IMO.

I think it would be better served to leave it alone as far as knowledgeable fans go. I mean we've only seen Thor wielding it in one previous movie. He's defined by it and you want somebody else to be able to pick it up already?

 

[Surfer]

IF they have Cap lift Mjolnir, I HOPE they do it just after Hulk TRYING to lift it.t:

I think that it would be amusing and enjoyable for fans, but feel the General Audience could find it confusing. I realize the whole "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.", was a big part of the Thor movie story. However, a scene like that in Avengers rely's heavilly on the idea that the audience has also watched Thor, but even then I still feel they might not make that connection to Cap being worthy. Ultimately, if it needs to be explained away so the average Joe can understand it, then it is probably best that they leave it out or at least until the characters have been better established.

Surfer

 

[BigThor]

I really hope cap doesn't lift thor's hammer in this movie

Same here Lix

In the comics, you've got a helluva lot more room to work in tons of "worthy" characters that coulda (and have) wielded the Hammer; but in the MCU, there's still a *very* limited number of superheroes, so I think it's way too soon to start diluting Thor's character in that manner.

Agreed, I mean good God the guy only has one film and people already want to see someone else wield his weapon.

I get that. That's why I'm not petitioning for cap to lift it inthe movie. I just don't understand the notion that it's ridiculous for captain america even in comic book form to be worthy.

I also agree that Cap is worthy enough to lift it in the comics, but I think it's one of those things that should remain in the comics.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Agreed, I mean good God the guy only has one film and people already want to see someone else weild his weapon.

Bingo.

 

[Donut]

I think that it would be amusing and enjoyable for fans, but feel the General Audience could find it confusing. I realize the whole "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.", was a big part of the Thor movie story. However, a scene like that in Avengers rely's heavilly on the idea that the audience has also watched Thor, but even then I still feel they might not make that connection to Cap being worthy. Ultimately, if it needs to be explained away so the average Joe can understand it, then it is probably best that they leave it out or at least until the characters have been better established.

Surfer

If Cap were to lift the hammer. They can show Thor as he looks at Cap lift the Hammer flash back to what Odin said about the worthy thing. Cap lifting the hammer in front of Loki. Would also piss off Loki like he has never been pissed off before I would think

 

[Herolee10]

If Cap were to lift the hammer. They can show Thor as he looks at Cap lift the Hammer flash back to what Odin said about the worthy thing. Cap lifting the hammer in front of Loki. Would also piss off Loki like he has never been pissed off before I would think

But that’s the thing; I think anyone who’s seen Captain America as a character in his own film would know that he’s already worthy. The fact that someone like Thor would be okay and agree with Captain America being the Team Leader would say a lot as well. I honestly can’t think of a good story reason as to why Steve would need to lift the hammer other than some fans wanting to see Steve hold the hammer since it would do no credit to Thor’s character at this stage imho.


I mean if some people are okay with that, then I wonder how some would feel if we saw Thor using Captain America's shield as proficient as Steve does, or Tony shooting a bow and arrow like hawkeye can do.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I mean if some people are okay with that, then I wonder how some would feel if we saw Thor using Captain America's shield as proficient as Steve does, or Tony shooting a bow and arrow like hawkeye can do.

Again, how long into the comics did it take before Cap lifted the hammer?

These guys are defined by their weapon. We're heading into just the second film Thor's ever appeared in.

 

[Herolee10]

Again, how long into the comics did it take before Cap lifted the hammer?

These guys are defined by their weapon. We're heading into just the second film Thor's ever appeared in.

Agreed; my previous comment just meant more on the lines of the MCU version and not their comic counterparts though, since unlike the comics, not everyone in the MCU films have had a long time to establish their presence to the GA to familiarize with their signature weapons and whatnot.

 

[BigThor]

But that’s the thing; I think anyone who’s seen Captain America as a character in his own film would know that he’s already worthy. The fact that someone like Thor would be okay and agree with Captain America being the Team Leader would say a lot as well. I honestly can’t think of a good story reason as to why Steve would need to lift the hammer other than some fans wanting to see Steve hold the hammer since it would do no credit to Thor’s character at this stage imho.

That's very true, it would only serve to elevate Cap who's already the team leader and that's good enough in my books

Again, how long into the comics did it take before Cap lifted the hammer?

These guys are defined by their weapon. We're heading into just the second film Thor's ever appeared in.

Exactly

 

[Surfer]

If Cap were to lift the hammer. They can show Thor as he looks at Cap lift the Hammer flash back to what Odin said about the worthy thing. Cap lifting the hammer in front of Loki. Would also piss off Loki like he has never been pissed off before I would think

A flashback would be an example of them trying to explain it to the audience, and it could leave the viewer feeling like they are being pulled out of the current story to provide fans with a somewhat unrelated comic book moment. I am not saying that it can't be pulled off, but it just needs to be done correctly or not at all.

Just my opinion though.

Surfer