No Way Home "With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility" - Tobey Maguire Returns As RaimiVerse Spider-Man

[Detective Conan]

 

[JannTosh]

Any confirmation on if Tobey talks about his post SM3 life and if he is married to Mary Jane?

 

[Nardz937]

Any confirmation on if Tobey talks about his post SM3 life and if he is married to Mary Jane?

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ViewerAnon says it shows that Spider-Man 3 ended on good terms

All I've seen so far myself.

 

[JannTosh]

Feels like we are hearing a lot of specific and awesome things Andrew does but nothing for Tobey really yet. Hope he is the one imparting wisdom to Tom Peter

 

[The Joker]

Feels like we are hearing a lot of specific and awesome things Andrew does but nothing for Tobey really yet. Hope he is the one imparting wisdom to Tom Peter

Oh I've heard plenty for Tobey.

 

[samsnee]

I’ll be disappointed if we don’t get any interviews with Tobey or Andrew at all

 

[ragingdemon155]

Feels like we are hearing a lot of specific and awesome things Andrew does but nothing for Tobey really yet. Hope he is the one imparting wisdom to Tom Peter

This. I think they should keep Tobey more experienced and so on. Imparting wisdom as you said. He’s done this the longest. Andrews material at times might stand out more simply because of the nature of the character and this type of movie. It’s tailor made for someone like Andew. That’s probably why you are hearing more about him then Tobey at the moment. I do feel Tobey will have the more meaningful moments in the long run because of the nostalgia and so on.

Andrew just has a personality that stands out more in this type of scenerio. It seems more natural for him then Tobey.

 

[The Joker]

I don't see Andrew being more natural than Tobey. Tobey excelled in the Spidey he portrayed. All this baloney about being in the better movies makes him more popular doesn't wash. Good movies don't hide weak performances or character writing.

Look at Dunst's MJ, or Rachel Dawes in the TDK movies, or 90% of the bland forgettable villains in the MCU. They don't get love and praise just because they were in great movies.

 

[ragingdemon155]

I don't see Andrew being more natural than Tobey. Tobey excelled in the Spidey he portrayed. All this baloney about being in the better movies makes him more popular doesn't wash. Good movies don't hide weak performances or character writing.

Look at Dunst's MJ, or Rachel Dawes in the TDK movies, or 90% of the bland forgettable villains in the MCU. They don't get love and praise just because they were in great movies.

Don’t get me wrong… I love Tobey. This isn’t a knock on him. He just doesn’t fall into this role as naturally as Andrew does. Tobey is great and I’m not taking anything away from him. Andrew just exhibits the qualities from a Spider-Man that I want in the interpretation that resonates with me. He also just has a naturally higher energy more relatable personality which lends himself well to a character Spider-Man.

Again don’t get it twisted into somehow thinking I don’t like Tobey simply because I feel he isn’t as good as Andrew.

This is all opinion though and personal taste.

 

[mclay18]

Look at Dunst's MJ, or Rachel Dawes in the TDK movies, or 90% of the bland forgettable villains in the MCU. They don't get love and praise just because they were in great movies.

Dunst had some good material to work with— and she’s a better actor than Maggie Gyllenhaal and Katie Holmes. (Let’s face it, Nolan Batman love interests aren’t well written or compelling.)

While SM-2 is rightfully centered on Peter, Dunst’s chemistry with Tobey made that movie WORK. That post climax scene on the web or the final apartment scene wouldn’t ring true without her.

 

[The Joker]

Dunst had some good material to work with— and she’s a better actor than Maggie Gyllenhaal and Katie Holmes. (Let’s face it, Nolan Batman love interests aren’t well written or compelling.)

While SM-2 is rightfully centered on Peter, Dunst’s chemistry with Tobey made that movie WORK. That post climax scene on the web or the final apartment scene wouldn’t ring true without her.

Dunst also had some bad material to work with, and her MJ was often written as unlikable. Particularly in her treatment of men. Her character is rightfully criticized for it. Having chemistry with Tobey and a nice romantic scene on the web doesn't hide the fact that in that movie alone she jilts John at the altar (doesn't even have the integrity and grace to tell him in person, she sends her friend in with a NOTE!). John was portrayed as a nice guy who seemed to genuinely love her, and did nothing to deserve that. But you know we should cheer for her because she chose Peter.

I love SM-2, hands down the best Spidey movie, but I'm not looking at it through rose tinted glasses.

On a side note I think Maggie Gyllenhaal is a great actress. She's done some terrific work. And she could absolutely go toe to toe with Dunst in the acting department.

 

[mclay18]

On a side note I think Maggie Gyllenhaal is a great actress. She's done some terrific work. And she could absolutely go toe to toe with Dunst in the acting department.

I don’t think the chapel scene in SM-2 would’ve worked better had MJ told John she didn’t want to marry him in person. (It would’ve come off as cliched or idiotic if Peter crashed the wedding.) Her bridesmaid giving him the note made her decision more ambiguous until the next scene. Purely for dramatic effect.

Gyllenhaal is a good actor, but her supporting turn in TDK was nothing to write home about. She was basically a plot device.

 

[Detective Conan]

Don’t get me wrong… I love Tobey. This isn’t a knock on him. He just doesn’t fall into this role as naturally as Andrew does. Tobey is great and I’m not taking anything away from him. Andrew just exhibits the qualities from a Spider-Man that I want in the interpretation that resonates with me. He also just has a naturally higher energy more reliable personality which lends himself well to a character Spider-Man.

Again don’t get it twisted into somehow thinking I don’t like Tobey simply because I feel he isn’t as good as Andrew.

This is all opinion though and personal taste.

I have to agree, Garfield feels like a modernized version of the original Lee/Ditko Parker. He perfectly embodies that lone wolf renegade with an attitude quality that Peter Parker/Spider-Man like the comics version generally comes across to me.

 

[The Joker]

I don’t think the chapel scene in SM-2 would’ve worked better had MJ told John she didn’t want to marry him in person. (It would’ve come off as cliched or idiotic if Peter crashed the wedding.) Her bridesmaid giving him the note made her decision more ambiguous until the next scene. Purely for dramatic effect.

Gyllenhaal is a good actor, but her supporting turn in TDK was nothing to write home about. She was basically a plot device.

The chapel scene could have been side stepped altogether and just had MJ sit him down and tell John that she cannot marry him. It would have gave credibility to her character that she cared enough to let him down gently.

I know the movie wanted to go for big with MJ running to Peter in her wedding dress. All romantic and a crowd cheer moment. But it just makes MJ look very insensitive to John and how he has just been hurt not to mention humiliated in front of his family and friends.

I don't deny Gyllenhaal was rather forgettable in TDK. That was my point. Significant characters who are bland or badly written don't get showered with praise just because they're in a great movie. Great movies don't hide weak characters like that. I credit her as a great actress who got a sub par role there.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I’ll be disappointed if we don’t get any interviews with Tobey or Andrew at all

I think we will in a few weeks. Also some character posters too.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[MasterBoss]

Any confirmation on if Tobey talks about his post SM3 life and if he is married to Mary Jane?

Yes

 

[MasterBoss]

I don’t think the chapel scene in SM-2 would’ve worked better had MJ told John she didn’t want to marry him in person. (It would’ve come off as cliched or idiotic if Peter crashed the wedding.) Her bridesmaid giving him the note made her decision more ambiguous until the next scene. Purely for dramatic effect.

Gyllenhaal is a good actor, but her supporting turn in TDK was nothing to write home about. She was basically a plot device.

I liked her more than Katie Holes in BB.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Gyllenhaal is a good actor, but her supporting turn in TDK was nothing to write home about. She was basically a plot device.

Like every female roles in Chris Nolan movies

 

[Detective Conan]

@ragingdemon155 I’ve always said that if Andrew was first cast in the role instead of Maguire in the Raimi trilogy then he’d be seen as the definitive Spider-Man.

Andrew could’ve pulled off what Tobey accomplished in his movies, but Maguire couldn’t pull off what Garfield accomplished in his movies. That snarky wisecracker with an attitude energy is just incompatible with Tobey’s more passive screen presence.

 

[ragingdemon155]

@ragingdemon155 I’ve always said that if Andrew was first cast in the role instead of Maguire he’d be seen as the definitive Spider-Man.

Andrew could’ve pulled off what Tobey accomplished in his movies, but Maguire couldn’t pull off what Garfield accomplished in his movies. That snarky wisecracker with an attitude energy is just incompatible with Tobey’s more passive screen presence.

You’re like a variant version of myself. That’s exactly how I feel.

 

[Nardz937]

I disagree there. Andrew's quips in his movies came so forced and flat. Tobey's Spidey didn't quip much but when he did it landed much better.

Quality over quantity.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I will say this. I think Tobey's Peter sorta found a new energy being around Holland and Andrew. So he would express more energy to keep up. And personally i think that improved him abit. i think the 3 of them being abit different resulted in a very interesting chemistry. Almost brotherly in terms of getting less serious or awkward reactions out of Toby's peter.

 

[Gold Samurai]

I disagree there. Andrew's quips in his movies came so forced and flat. Tobey's Spidey didn't quip much but when he did it landed much better.

Quality over quantity.

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The "I love you guys" quip was not needed. It just reinforced him as the twitchy/nervous talking Peter Parker that people associate with him particular with his first movie

He dialed up the awkward teen to 100

 

[Detective Conan]

I disagree there. Andrew's quips in his movies came so forced and flat. Tobey's Spidey didn't quip much but when he did it landed much better.

Quality over quantity.

It’s subjective, I actually think even the few quips that Tobey did like his delivery of the “here’s your change!” line from SM2 - lacked that pizzaz that I was looking for in Spider-Man. It just felt a little…for a lack of a better word, dry, for my tastes. Tobey’s Peter is incredible, but I just could never believe he’d be able to smack talk his enemies to the point it grates on their nerves and throws them off their game as Spidey. Garfield in contrast had more livelier delivery of the quips, imo. It just felt like there was more energy put into them than Maguire in my opinion.