Wolverine and the X-Men: Episode 18: "Backlash"

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Lots of action in this one, and pretty good action overall (these Sentinels are way more durable than the 90s ones tended to be (or they are in the comics now), though the continually non-fatal energy blasts are still here).

The Kitty as a babysitter stuff was cute, though, unless I missed it, they didn't say anything about what they did with the MRD guys who went into the mansion; Emma could deal with that, I suppose.

One minor nit I have is the ambiguous time travel in this series; the X-Men have already done stuff like prevent the destruction of Africa, which should have huge consequences on the future, but Xavier determines that Master Mold survived by the fact that the future he's in hasn't changed. More to the point, and I just realized this, Professor X has got Domino with him; if the future is changing constantly, shouldn't she have some idea of what happened?
 
Yeah the Domino thing I keep wondering about - as well as the Kitty scenario. This one did end a little open-ended I suppose.

I think this was my favorite episode since 13. Mucho gusto.
 
I didn't like the very ending.
they could[BLACKOUT] have cut to the super computer saying "mastermold reboot complete" instead of a 30 foot tall sentinel crawling in the middle of no where unnoticed. this is me nitpicking though and I fully acknowledge it. [/BLACKOUT] other than that I enjoyed this episode
 
the sentinels trashed the X-men... I remember in the old 92 series, Wolverine and Gambit would take them out by the dozens... which type of scenario did you prefer?
 
These sentinels weren't as powerful as they came off its just the X-Men's tactics were awful. I mean Ice Man and Cyclops alone should have been able to handle all those Sentinels easy. yet the X-men and the Brotherhood couldn't handle them, bad tactics.
 
For realz. I love a good X-Men brotherhood team up but the fight choreography here was pretty pathetic.

4 of 'em show up, give the X-Men a warning. Storm flies up and blasts one in the torso with a lightening bolt. The one next to it blasts her--smack dab in HER torso--with a trademark non-lethal beam.

Thus far it can be established at the very least that the X-Men are intent on destroying the sentinels, whereas the sentinels only want to pacify them. Unless it was just conserving the massive amount of power it takes to fuel it and expect the fall to kill her. Which seems half-assed for a giant robot controlled by a master tactician computer but that might as well have been the case since the next one to attack was the one who stepped on Emma, who posed the least threat against them.

So at this point we know it's on. Pure Us VS Them. And everybody just acts like they never learned how to fight.

Cyclops takes one, second long blast at "Stompy's" glowing chest which momentarily stuns it. I guess he was conserving his power? Meanwhile Iceman surrounds another sentinel with a sPiral Ice Ramp and shoots an ice beam into it's chest while Beast...punches it's head. And the giant robot can't break this stupid Ice-ramp. v_v;;;

Meanwhile, Angel just kind of floats around uselessly.

After a brief break, we return to find that the sentinels, slightly crippled, are a lot more vocal and announce what they're going to do in those big booming voices. Good strategy? Storm's up an at 'em but Emma and Angel are lying unconscious in a huge crater while Iceman continues making sPiraling Ice Ramps around another Sentinel who just stands there announcing things. Storm and Cyke simulateously blast one in the head while another renders the latter unconscious by grazing his hip with a purple beam. (wtf?) No problem cuz now it Rogue's time to shine as she leeches his optic blast and uses it to shear it's arm off. Storm creates a tornado which does nothing and fails to notice the ginormous sentinel stomping up behind her blaring "MUTANT IDENTIFIED!" seconds before successfully knocking her out again with those corny purple rays. This time she's saved by Iceman who keeps whizzing around on a ridiculously long and unsupported Ice Ramp. The loud obvious Sentil blasts Bobby who's offscreen (though it was probably a bullseye) and the ramp shatters with him and Storm knocked out, rolling on the ground. Why didn't it just knick the Ice Ramp, like anywhere? It's not supported by anything but it's base!

Then the Brotherhood show up and take out that sentinel with a well placed shot to the head and a well placed Earthquake. Then for some reason Domino's head blasting aim disappears and she's saved by Angel while Iceman FREEZES ONE SOLID IN A BLOCK OF ICE LIKE HE COULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE and my hatred for his character just deepens slightly. Rogue optic blasts a sentinel's forearm for 6 seconds doing no damage but then chops off the other arm at the shoulder (like she did before) for a second and it practically flies off.

Meanwhile, Blob Fastball sPecial's Wolverine through a Setinel's (aluminum?) torso and he stabs the computer while an overview of the episode's script is shown on screen. Because God Forbid Forge's virus save the day instead of Wolvie's claws!

It's almost kind of sad that sPectacular sPider-Man's action sequences are so much more fluid and logical than WOLVERINE AND THE ****ING X-MEN's but wow.

the sentinels trashed the X-men... I remember in the old 92 series, Wolverine and Gambit would take them out by the dozens... which type of scenario did you prefer?

Any scenario which disPlay's competence on either side. Preferably the X-Men's since characters aren't allowed to be injured on kids' shows. For all the threat they posed, these sentinels were slow, had ineffective weapons, no strategy and screamed obvious things they should have kept to themselves. The X-Men weren't any better.
 
Meanwhile, Blob Fastball sPecial's Wolverine through a Setinel's (aluminum?) torso and he stabs the computer while an overview of the episode's script is shown on screen. Because God Forbid Forge's virus save the day instead of Wolvie's claws!

I didn't even think about that l. My hate for Wolverine in this show increases lol.
 
After a delay for holiday programming, W&TXM returns to us with episode 18, "Backlash". This in a way is the first episode since "Battlelines" to feature the entire X-Men in an adventure and in a few ways it is a sequel of that story, although some bits from prior episodes, like "Badlands" come into play here. The episode is chop full of action and suspense, with a dark tone to things and a real sense of forboding about the events, which means the show is accomplishing the goal of providing a tense storyline where, despite the BS&P regarding violence, there is a sense of risk to the characters.

And yet, there seems to be something missing. The week between episodes built up my anticipation for this episode, especially as it promised X-Men vs. Sentinel action. It was good but there seemed to be something missing, something that didn't quite work completely with me. I was hoping for a home run, and instead got a base hit, a single. And while enough of those, along with some bunts, will score some runs, it doesn't impress anyone when team SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN keeps hitting doubles, triples, and grand slams.

All of this does come at a price, though. With so many characters on screen, both the X-Men and Brotherhood, many get lost in the mix and the few that do get focus or a moment do so at the expense of another. Kyle, Johnson and Yost encountered similar problems by Season 2 of X-MEN EVOLUTION and while in some ways this show is superior to that, it also can suffer from an x-tremely large cast. This episode is very good, and it furthers the storyline. Is it great? Hard for me to tell after one viewing; honestly I think parts are too busy. There is a lot of action, and while some of it is paced well, some other sequences are a bit generic or not as good as I expected, or even as good as some sequences in some past episodes, such as episode 12.

The episode begins with Wolverine attempting to have a psychic conference with Future Xavier. Sadly, while Future X is capable of being willing to meet Wolverine when he is feeling saddened after losing the team to some random ninja, he isn't here at the start of the mission, leaving Wolverine to actually lead the team. From the start, this show has tried to satisfy the premise of Wolverine being the leader by having to find some way of removing the other leaders from that position. The answer to Cyclops was to have his girlfriend get taken away, for his longtime father father to leave him for a year physically and in the present emotionally, and for him to essentially be a bit of an unstable sad sack. While this concept hasn't always been played with well, it is at least a logical reason. Storm's was that she had traveled to Africa, but now is back and offers no sense of leadership spirit unless Logan is off site. Xavier got zapped into a coma with a connection to his future self, similar to Kitty Pryde having contact with her future self in the DAYS OF FUTURE PAST story from the comics. The only problem with this set-up is that it has kept Logan from actually LEADING the team. Xavier is the one who gives him the basic missions, and is even there to lift his spirits when he has a bad dream or loses to ninja. Part of me thinks it is the writers' attempt to have their cake and eat it too, and it doesn't quite work for me, and hasn't yet. I like the adventures in the future and the basic plot, but the idea of Xavier as a sort-of headmaster clashes with the theory of Logan actually commanding the team day to day. While Scott at least has emotional reasons for never trying to assert himself, Ororo doesn't. Out of any X-Person, she is most there to deliver exposition, a familiar face and some power, and this episode is no different.

The MRD is stepping up their enforcement of mutant registration, and the start has a cameo by Wolfsbane as she is arrested by their agents. Sen. Kelly vows that all mutants are dangerous and will be captured lest they surrender, and their efforts are becoming more coordinated now that Dr. Trask's creation, Master Mold, is coming online. Logan was told of the threat of Master Mold by Future X in prior episodes, and after Forge fully scans the data he analyzed, the gravity of the threat increases. Beast gets some more lines this episode than he has in a while, and for once an X-Man does hold Logan partly responsible for his actions; at least twice it is mentioned that "we should have destroyed the facility when we had the chance" two episodes ago, but Logan wanted to play at stealth rather than brute force in that occasion. Logan admits the error in judgment and is probably conflicted by it. Aside for Kitty, though, none of the other X-Men seem to care. With a computer virus set up by Forge, Logan leads the X-Men into a final showdown with the Sentinels before Master Mold gets too powerful, tasking a frustrated Kitty with guarding Tilde, who was recruited back in "Battlelines". In this matter Logan actually proves wise in leadership, as Kitty's guile and powers do end up saving both of them.

My only question was, if Kitty can easily dispatch a squad of MRD soldiers and hold her own against a Spider-Slayer Sentinel, why the hell did she lose to ONE NINJA last episode!? Why? How? Ugh! While I really enjoyed seeing a capable and yet still quirky and amusing Kitty defend herself and Tilde from soldiers and even a robot, it clashed poorly with last episode where one ninja and a gas ball had her on the floor. But she isn't the only one. Beast is able to remain conscious after taking a hit from a 15' Sentinel robot, yet he was practically overwhelmed by a thwack with a bo-staff last episode; Cyclops is able to stay conscious after a laser blast to the chest, but was easily TKO'd by a ninja kick last time, too. And that, my friends, is why "jobbering" is merely a shortcut for writers who aren't very good, or for good writers who are under deadline or figure "it is good enough". And that is what I think may be happening with WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN. Either the rigors of producing a full 26 episode TV season take their toll on quality at times, or this show's writers and producers just feel that things are "good enough". And while having a grade of B+ on average is keen, when an A seems easily attainable, it can be annoying. Still, considering that it has been hard for me to part with the adorable X-MEN EVOLUTION version of Kitty Pryde (Valley Girl or not), this show's version at least is growing on me and also seems accurate to the character. Danielle Judovits has taken on the role well.

I would say if any character got the lion's share of the focus here, it would be Quicksilver, played by Mark Hildreth (who usually plays more heroic roles, like Angel from EVOLUTION, Siroc in YOUNG BLADES, or Terry Bogard from FATAL FURY). He storms into Genosha, having longed to be embraced into his father's mutant city like his sisters are and angry that his father has suddenly cut ties with him. He has a brief scene with his sister Wanda that is pretty interesting before forcing his way into a meeting with Magneto (and commenting on how Lorna is kept more naive and ignorant of all). Magneto not only severs all ties with Quicksilver for his "failures" at running the Brotherhood, but later sells him out to the MRD to be rid of his meddling. As with Nightcrawler, this puts Wanda in a tough bind between being honorable as a person and being loyal to her father. It reminded me of the dynamic that Karai was written as having many times in TMNT, which is often fascinating. It goes without saying that despite being a member of the Brotherhood again here, this is easily the best animated version of Wanda yet (played skillfully by Kate Higgins).

Sure enough, the MRD are right upon the lair of the Brotherhood, and are overwhelming them with numbers and robots until Quicksilver appears and saves the day. I did like how Domino, who unlike the others is more into the actual cause of Magneto's rather than just committing acts of random violence like Blob, Avalanche and Toad seem to be, was taken aback by the idea of being betrayed by their founder. I enjoyed how Pietro had some experienced grit in terms of dealing with his father and this putting him in a bind; not an ally of humanity, but no longer loyal to Magneto, either. Hildreth got some good moments to shine in his performance and despite his "wrinkled 45 year old man in a Peter Pan costume" design, Pietro has really grown on me in this show. He was a token villain for a few episodes but is quickly becoming more complex. Complex is good. These writers found some contrived ways to get the X-Men and Brotherhood to team up in X-MEN EVOLUTION, and I must say the situation presented in this show within this episode was better than many of those. Why not aid the X-Men against the Sentinels? They're all mutants, and of course Logan would owe a favor.

The X-Men, meanwhile, land on the ground but find that it was all a trap; as Trask explains to Worthington Sr., Kelly and Dr. Zane, Master Mold is so sentient that he knew how to set a trap for enemies. The fight sequences aren't bad, although the power levels of some of the mutants and robots are inconsistent. One moment Cyclops' optic blast has no effect on a Sentinel, the next, Rogue can absorb his power and that same blast will slice a Sentinel's arm off. And while the designs for the basic humanoid Sentinels are good, I am growing weary of the 90's SPIDER-MAN:TAS style "Spider Slayer" Sentinels; they almost look like sheer design lifts from 1994 and it clashes a bit. I keep expecting Alistar Smythe to make a vow of success to Kingpin from the Chrysler Building somewhere. Storm was virtually useless in this episode, getting blasted out of the air twice. In some ways many of the X-Men seemed overwhelmed, and had to in order for the Brotherhood to rescue them; I've seen all of them handle themselves a bit better in some fights, such as against the Brotherhood themselves or even against Multiple Man. Iceman doesn't figure out to try freezing a Sentinel until he gets blasted onto his rear at least twice, with Storm practically TKO'd. Wolverine manages to decapitate at least one Sentinel, but even he had his problems. The same Sentinels that seem able to take an optic blast or a thunderbolt and remain standing of course can be destroyed by a SINGLE gunfire shot from Domino when it proves dramatic, and so on. Luck or not, you'd think Sentinels would at least be bulletproof.

Now, I understand the difficulty here; one doesn't want to make the Sentinels appear to be too "easy" to defeat. Some people criticize the 90's show of doing so, but I should note that the Sentinels weren't all "easy" to beat in the pilot; in the debut episode of the original X-MEN cartoon ("Night of the Sentinels Part 1", circa 1992), it took Gambit, Rogue, Storm, and perhaps Jubilee as a distraction in order for a SINGLE Sentinel to be defeated. In the first team mission against them in episode 2, Cyclops' optic blasts were as likely to simply topple a Sentinel so much as destroy it, Wolverine was hurled into the woods and out of the fight, Morph was seemingly killed, and Beast was zapped and captured by the feds, and spent a season in jail. It took repeated battles with the Sentinels for the X-Men to seem to have an easier time of destroying them; many forget that they had to RETREAT from their first battle after suffering, basically, two casualties. By the end of the first season even Jubilee could beat at least two Sentinels by herself, but, again, you could attribute that to experience. I think sometimes modern fans too easily dismiss that show of 15+ years ago, but it wasn't as cut and dry as history makes it seem.

At the other extreme angle was the Season Two finale of X-MEN EVOLUTION, in which Dr. Trask's Sentinel Prototype is able to fight the combined might of the X-Men and the Brotherhood, and defeat about half of them, before Magneto & Wanda basically destroy it. And that was a SINGLE Sentinel, laying waste to the entire cast.

There was the problem of the Sentinel's laser blasts not being instantly fatal, and I attribute that to standard network violence censorship and genre expectations; of course a SINGLE laser blast can't instantly kill any of the X-Men. Considering Master Mold in the future sought to capture mutants alive, at least for a while, long enough to study and imitate their powers, the idea of "weak" lasers may be intentional, but that is a stretch. It should be noted that Storm did seem practically unconscious from two blasts to the chest, so there does seem to be some effect. The 90's X-Men show had many similar incidents and that wasn't a major impediment to the action. Naturally, Angel was useless aside for catching random falling members, but against robots he usually is. Frankly, in the comics without his metal wings, few writers managed to make him much of a fighter; half the time feather winged Angel seemed to point out things, serve as distractions or catch falling people even in X-MEN: FIRST CLASS by Jeff Parker. Nightcrawler naturally also had problems against robots, although maybe someone should have given him a sword to poke out some optics. The other problem was the idea of the Sentinels "learning" as they fought when it seemed they only were a threat due to sporatic duribility and numbers, although perhaps in the future they will be more ruthless; akin to DC's Calculator who spend decades being a punching bag simply to master virtually every superhero's moves and methods into his database.

While I appreciate the effort to straddle the line between "easy" and "nigh impossible" Sentinels, I just don't think the storyboard crew succeeded here. The X-Men seemed to scatter easily and a simple task of teleporting Forge inside a building that Logan likely at least told Kurt about needed a whole second mutant team to pull off. The Sentinels give Storm about 30 seconds to fly into the sky and summon clouds, and while her thunder-bolts have decent effects, she summons a tornado at one point that isn't even aimed at anything. I sometimes wonder if Susan Dalian, who voices Storm, wouldn't mind getting more to do beyond exposition and grunts. On the plus side, of course, we did have all of the X-Men united in combat (aside for Shadowcat, who had a good reason to be home, and still got some moments). Part of me is wondering why Forge couldn't at some point get a laser-gun of sorts so he can do more than flee and whimper during a fight, though. It isn't as if the crew is against characters with guns; Domino uses hers often. Having Forge use a higher-tech gun would separate him from Domino, and her aim could likely be better. That would, of course, ruin the stereotype of Forge being a CHUCK-esque "tech guy" who relies on others in fights, and such a stereotype has allowed the character an easy place on the team roster so far.

The Brotherhood turn the tide for a few moments, and it was interesting when Quicksilver seemed to lead them well, and once Wolverine was off screen, immediately moved to Cyclops to shout orders at the X-Men. It was as if he recalled some past era where Scott actually was the leader. Cyclops noted that he wouldn't deviate from Logan's plan in the middle of a mission, which I suppose makes some sense in terms of loyalty. The time for mutiny is not in the middle of a fight. Blob's sequences seemed to show an bit of a problem with pacing any super-strong character in a fight who isn't the Hulk, and I would have been insulted with the Blob ripping off the "Fastball Special" tag move with Wolverine if I already wasn't painfully aware that Brett Ratner cared far more about Colossus than Kyle, Johnson, and Yost ever have. I mean, X-MEN 3, not matter what flaws it had (which were numerous), had the bonafide "Fastball Special" not once, but TWICE. No animated show ever has had that. While Nightcrawler did teleport Forge into Master Mold's control center, they were unable to upload the virus, and so Wolverine had to save the day by stabbing the console himself. Perhaps this was a mild reference to 1992's "Night of the Sentinels Part 2" in which Beast spends a while making a computer virus to purge the Mutant Registration files, only for Storm to blast the computer itself when time was of the essence (granted, that was back when offices had "hard files". Ah, how ancient 1992 seems today).

On the one hand, the bit where Wolverine faces severe electrical burns to destroy the machine (and seemingly Master Mold) was cool stuff. He felt responsible for causing this mess by not taking Kitty's advice from two episodes ago (although think about this; out of all X-Men, it is SHADOWCAT who attempts to give Logan contrary leadership advice in this show, not Storm, Cyclops, Frost, or Beast...), and that works. He did look a bit singed and as always Steven Jay Blum puts in a great performance as Wolverine. On the downside, though...Logan's leadership error had no consequences. It didn't matter that he didn't destroy Master Mold in the cradle, or that his plan to have Forge kill it with a virus failed, or even that he led the X-Men into a trap, because fate lent a helping hand (the Brotherhood arriving as the cavalry) and there is apparently no threat that can't be solved by Wolverine stabbing it as an alternative. In some ways it reminds me of TEEN TITANS, where Robin many times could be a reckless, aggressive bonehead and it usually didn't impact the plot too much or alienate his friends for long because in the end they would always triumph anyway; although I do think it did moreso than this so-called "non-united" X-Men that Kyle & Johnson thought would make an interesting premise.

While on the topic of things that didn't matter, at one point when everyone is being overwhelmed by Sentinels, Cyclops has numerous members of both teams under Iceman's ice-dome for a few second breather as he rattles off battle tactics. Now, this could work, Cyclops being there as drill sarge when Wolverine is pre-occupied (and Storm is half-conscious). The only problem was that within half a second, the robots are deactivated from Wolverine's tactic of stabbing the machine, and so thus this sequence is almost superficial. You could have cut out Scott's lines, and the moment wouldn't have been altered in the slightest. That's a problem. While I liked that Nolan North, who is a capable actor when given stuff to work with, whether as Cyclops here, Raph in 2007's TMNT film or Deadpool in HULK VS. WOLVERINE, if a line has no impact on an act or episode, it usually is meaningless. The scene, intentionally or not, showed that Cyclops' leadership was basically for naught because Wolverine had already solved the crisis his own way. Rattling off experienced tactics with your allies' strengths and weaknesses doesn't matter, because you can always hope for luck to throw you a curve and you can just solve any problem by stabbing it.

Toad's final line at the end of the fight was pretty funny, even if by and large I usually find his humor annoying, in the "trying too hard" variety.
 
(my first Two Part review for this show!)

Still, there is more to like about this episode. Angel has done more here than he has done in X-MEN EVOLUTION and is more nuanced than he was in the 90's show, where he immediately gets defined by Apocalypse. The Evolution writers wrote Angel in two episodes of X-MEN EVOLUTION, with his first, "On Angel's Wings" being a highlight of Marvel animation, so it is in some ways a pleasant surprise that, much as with Nightcrawler and Beast, Angel is a character the show's writers/producers do like, and have attempted to make a character arc for, with him returning to action (even if he does little in the fight) and his father torn between funding the MRD and endangering his son. X-MEN 3 tried and failed to accomplish a similar idea and this show has picked up the ball and scored in this regard. Liam O'Brien, who voices both Angel and Nightcrawler, manages both roles so well that I can hardly tell they are the same actor. The aforementioned scenes with Kitty & Tilde worked well, and there were some moments of that Sentinel battle that were amusing or cool, such as Frost avoiding being squished by turning to diamond. At least she can be of more use in a fight against robots than Future Xavier is.

Master Mold, Future X tells Logan, survived in the future and that future in the year 2029 or so remains unchanged. The ending scene shows that Master Mold had downloaded herself into that Sentinel that was destroyed by the Blob Fast Food Special (what I am calling it) and is crawling aimlessly in the forest. It did seem a bit odd, although it would be cool if Master Mold struck up some sort of alliance with the Weapon X team; that would serve to connect Wolverine's solo subplot episodes into the whole of the season. Both have similar goals; to capture, control, and eliminate mutants. I could always see Master Mold turning on the Weapon X people once they were no longer useful, anyway. That would also make the forest bits look good.

While having the ending scene have some jokes with Kitty in it was amusing, it did take some of the edge off what was a suspence filled episode and I am unsure if that was the right way to do it. Joss Whedon tried and failed to throw humor in the midst of a tense X-Men situation and it didn't always work for him, either. It wasn't a major deal.

W&TXM is a bit of a frustrating show to review and describe. I was all but counting down the hours before this episode and was pleased to find it about 24 hours earlier than expected. That eagerness shows a genuine like of the show overall and some faith in the direction of the series and season itself. Considering I have lost interest in even TMNT: BACK TO THE SEWERS, that says something. On the flip side, this is one of those episodes like "Battlelines" where the episode feels like it should be epic, action packed and game-changing, and in some ways it is, but then by the time the episode is over I see no need to rewatch it, having seen everything I needed.

It reminds me in some ways of X-MEN: KINGBREAKER (the comic) so far, which like this episode, Chris Yost is creditted with writing. It accomplishes the technical aspects well; good animation, a lot of action, a few cool character moments here and there. But there seems to be something missing, some extra spark or oomph. WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN gets a lot of the technical things right. The acting is great, the animation often solid and consistant, usually a lot of action, and this season, by and large has an ongoing serial storyline with subplots and occassional character arcs, and said main storyline is interesting, mature, and good. That all is good enough to rank it as a good show. And yet there seems to be those missed little details, those nitpicks even in the best of episodes, those oddly paced moments or lapses in logic, those contrivances, that keep it from being ranked a great show. One of my friends reminded me that X-MEN EVOLUTION could be described in similar fashion until the start of the Season Two finale, which was from episodes 29-30 (out of a 52 episode run). For WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN, that would be the end of the second season premire, likely. And while that may be more than sufficient for an X-Men cartoon, especially after the "flop" that was FANTASTIC FOUR: WGH (which Kyle and Yost were behind), and is better than a few of those Lion's Gate DTV's, needing a good 30 episodes to get great when there are shows like the 2k3 TMNT or SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN can accomplish that almost from the gate, or at least sooner than episode 29, doesn't say as much as it could. Kyle, Johnson, and Yost are good writers; when they're on they can produce some glorious highlights of animation. Yet part of me is growing irritated that they seem to insist on slow builds and step by step plods to that potential when some other shows pull it off from the pilot. It probably says something that I like the show enough that I wish it was better, rather than just shrugging my shoulders and being happy it isn't worse, as I sometimes was with FANTASTIC FOUR: WGH, or NEXT AVENGERS.

This is an essential episode, and a good one. It isn't a great one, and as a whole isn't quite the sum of it's parts. Still, I believe in the direction and I still have some faith that this build will not be for naught, that some of these good but flawed episodes will pay off down the line for some epic, "omigod THIS IS MARVEL ANIMATION!" style joy that seems to flow from every episode of SS-M. I do hope that is the finale the show's creators have in store. I really do.
 
YES YES YES. Finally some team action! And man was it great. This is what i have been missing. The Brotherhood even joined the fight. We also got a glimpse of the old Cyclops. Excellent episode.

The X-men need some mutants with offensive powers. Basicly the only ones who could do some serious damage to the sentinels were Wolvie, Storm, Cyclops and Iceman. Although Emma turning into diamond was pretty cool. Man if Gambit was an x-man he would have blown Master Mold the F up :woot:
 
YES YES YES. Finally some team action! And man was it great. This is what i have been missing. The Brotherhood even joined the fight. We also got a glimpse of the old Cyclops. Excellent episode.

The X-men need some mutants with offensive powers. Basicly the only ones who could do some serious damage to the sentinels were Wolvie, Storm, Cyclops and Iceman. Although Emma turning into diamond was pretty cool. Man if Gambit was an x-man he would have blown Master Mold the F up :woot:

To play Devil's Advocate, you need some characters on the X-Men with more defensive or other type powers; I recall back during the relaunch of the property in the 70's with Len Wein and Chris Claremont that they had some distaste for "point and shoot" powers many times. Shadowcat's powers are plenty offensive against machines, and Beast technically does have super strength.

Having a "strong man" on the X-Men may help, but that's Colossus, who may as well not exist. Quite frankly, the only super-strong character this team can pace well in a fight is The Hulk. Even Thor was merely a punching bag in HULK VS. THOR (which I did like), and Blob's bits were iffy, especially since he is partly supposed to provide laughs, and also blunt force. A layman would just say, "watch JLU and shamelessly rip off some of their pacing for strong man battles", but of course that's not a very professional solution.

My biggest problem is that for every well paced action sequence or moment in this episode, there seemed to be another that was inconsistent. And while I understand that the show's creators wanted to try to straddle that fine line between making Sentinels easily destroyed (as in much of the 90's series) and making them nigh impossible to beat (such as in X-MEN EVOLUTION when a single Sentinel overwhelmed both the X-Men and Brotherhood, and Magneto had to destroy it in desperation), and that it isn't easy. I just think this episode would have been better if they could have straddled that line just a tad better.
 
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I just re-watched Evo's "Day Of Reckoning" and, for an older model show with more standards and practices restricting the action, they handled the Brotherhood/X-Men Team-Up VS. Sentinel waaaaaaay better.

First of all, the Evo Sentinel, by it's lonely self, was better than W&TXM's in like every field. For starters, it didn't blare out "MUTANT IDENTIFIED! TARGET ACQUIRED!" for it's intended victims to hear; like a potent fart it was silent but deadly! Second, it was better "armed" as it went all Iron Giant and transformed it's hands into wicked looking hooks and cannons. And when IT launched purple beams, they actually DID SOME FRIGGIN' DESTRUCTION! Tearing up concrete and whatnot. That they didn't hit anybody was more contributed to the X-Men's evasive skills thanks to, you know, training than poor aim. As in W&TXM, Storm was knocked out early in the fight after striking it in the chest with a lightening bolt (homage?) and it fired multiple explosives which didn't hit their target but their collective impacts around her were srong enough to have some effect. Much more plausible. Then, as if it actually changed it's strategy (or more likely was given new orders, but still) the Sentinel trapped several mutants in a hardening gelatenous substance which is frankly a way better alternative to killing/maiming mutants than the haphazard "knock-out beams" of WATXM's. And finally, desPite all these vast improvements, it managed to seem more "real world" than these fish-out-of-water giants. For starters, it looked like an actual robot, not a guy in impractically helmeted purple armor. Where the new (and TAS') Sentinels gracefully floated down while leaning forward on their rocket boots, *****-slapping the laws of physics, at the very beginning, Evo's didn't even turn on until it needed them to get out of Storm's (actually effective) twister. This pacing, along with everything else it did, made it's abilities seem all the more novel and less miserably cliche. But mostly, as a solitary prototype of sorts, it didn't seem too outrageously futuristic for a show that takes place in the present day or at least "not too distant future".

As for the mutants, they didn't have as many heavy hitters like Iceman and Cyclops, but they seemed to have a better concept of teamwork than "Everybody attack it at some point!"

In other words, there was an actual sense of urgency. For all the times WATXM's X-Men got blasted, they walked away without a friggin' scratch! The most damage anybody sustained in this episode was Wolverine and THAT was from stabbing a damned computer!
 
I mentioned the Evolution Sentinel as a sign of the other extreme of making them "nigh impossible", but I felt I was ragging on the otherwise decent episode enough that I didn't note which one I preferred; I agree that "Day of Reckoning" handled that bit better. I loved Evolution's Sentinel design and the pace of that episode. In some ways I think Kyle & Johnson are so thrilled not to have Kid's WB or CN on their back for this that they are cramming in more fanboy bits than concentrating on what makes a TV series terrific in the first place.

Kid's WB had restrictions up the wazoo for Evolution but the team worked around that to craft a terrific show, full of character and whatnot. It forced them to be good in other areas that Kid's WB wouldn't allow. For WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN, Kyle, Johnson and Yost have access to a bigger candy store, and sometimes are on such a sugar high that they miss some basics.

Which is a shame because it keeps W&TXM in that category of "good, not great". To use a line I just used in my SS-M episode 19 review, it seems this show concentrates on giving us good trees instead of a great forest at times.
 
And SSM gives us a whole jungle right? lol Ya know Dread, it's kind of funny how you keep championing sPectacular sPider-Man over this show and I seem to do the same with Evo. We should start finding other like minded people and start a "W&TXM isn't quite as good as..." club lol
 
I mean it is a shame, because Kyle, Johnson, and Yost did work on X-MEN EVOLUTION; Kyle and Yost especially from Season Two onward. And while that show didn't always have as intense a storyline as WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN did, they did a better job on the characters. In many ways they were forced to; Kid's WB wanted to focus on teenagers, and Marvel had to fight like hell for them to even allow Storm and Wolverine to not be teens too (which would have been terrible). Kid's WB had more influence on the first season which may have been why it wasn't as good as it could have been, but still was good enough to spark my interest. With every season the network influenced the writers less, and allowed them to do more of what they wanted. But Kyle, Johnson, and Yost almost seemed to respond to the restrictions and challenges propped up by Kid's WB with more quality, more interaction among characters. The action sequences weren't always the best, but the few that were good were usually very exciting. Ironically, Wolverine having a diminished role the first two and a half seasons got around the issues with his claws in fights, because nearly every other X-Man uses energy attacks or some other network approved tactic.

There aren't too many restrictions on what WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN can't do or have aside for the usual network stuff on violence to a degree. And in some ways I can almost picture production meetings going like, "all that stuff we wanted to do with Evolution from the start, but couldn't? Now's our chance to throw all that stuff in! Boo-yah!!" And in that frenzy, it seems as if some of the heart has been lost.

At episode 18, this show is MUCH busier than X-Men Evolution was, but in some ways isn't as deep. There are a lot of things the show does get right, characters who are handled well and some riveting sequences and drama. But there always seems to be something missing, some spark, some bypassed details. And I have to say, I have followed many of these production writers across 2-3 shows and a share of DTV's, and by and large, they can't pace a fight sequence very well at all. For every one that is excellent, there will be two that are mediocre and one that plain stinks. Which means someone needs to kick it up in storyboards.

I mean, BATMAN BRAVE AND THE BOLD isn't as good a show as W&TXM...but man, can THEY pace a fight sequence!
 
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I agree with a lot of your points. Evolution turned out to be surprisingly deep. The character work and attention to detail was outstanding as well as being well written. Every x-man got decent screen time and were fully three dimensional. Even the brotherhood got decent time to develop and show all sides of themselves and not just the typical "i'm a bad guy" cliche that plagued over 90% of the villians in the older 92' X-men. Evolution Toad was outstanding. Here in WATX he's a bit one dimensional as are a lot of the other members of X-men. I think that some of the storylines haven't serviced the other x-men well so I'm tending not to care for them. Characters like Iceman, Storm are severely suffering here. Its been 18 episodes and I still don't feel I truly know who these two characters are. Storm is missing a lot of her fiestyness and balls and is too often softly spoken. I can't see any leadership quality in her. Iceman i think could use an episode like Cyclops 'Excessive Force' where the focal point is on him and he's given a bit more time to develop a personality and range in his character. On a plus though, Angel is okay, Nightcrawler and Cyclops are good here too as well as Rogue and Shadowcat. The best character so far without a doubt is Emma Frost. The voice actress behind her is doing an amazing job and shes been given decent screen time too.

Onto the episode now. I quite enjoyed this one and felt it was one of the better ones I've seen of the show so far. A glimpse of the old Cyclops seems to be returning which is good thing. And i liked the Kitty & Tildy scenes. She really came into her own in this episode. I agree that the fight scenes were occasionally a bit busy and not as fluid as they could have been but it was still enjoyable to watch. Its the first episode where they've had to service so many characters in one episode so on a whole i think they did a good job. Storm got knocked around a bit too much for my liking though. Not as good as Evolutions 'Day Of Rekoning' but still a great episode. Look forward to the next episode. Big hi to everyone on the forum. Look forward to posting more soon.
 
What's funny is, as I recall, they broke up Kitty & Lance in Season 3 because the network wasn't too fond of "mushy stuff on a kids show" which makes your statement about them wanting it to be about teens all the more ironic. But they managed to imply they got back together in the series finale and had Gambit's arm around Rogue in the class photo at the end. Sort of a final "Up yours!" to KidsWB I imagine.

And it's kind of a shame because I always found those relationships to the more enjoyable side of the character development. And with shows like sPectacular sPider-Man and Total Drama Island scoring high ratings for kids shows these days not in sPite of but likely because of these hookups, it would have been interesting to see Evo still making episodes exploring romantic dynamics between sexy young mutant lol. After all, at the Marvel Animation panel at NYCC, one of the guys referred to Evo as "X-Men: 90210"
 
Kid's WB was very insistent on the "teenage" thing for X-MEN EVOLUTION. In interviews online, either Kyle or Johnson claimed part of the reason why X-23 was invented was to provide an "excuse" to do Wolverine episodes; the network often frowned upon episodes without at least one teenage character being involved. Sometimes that still managed to work well; "Grim Reminder" from Evolution's first season was among the highlights of that season and was aided specifically because Wolverine was being forced against his will to fight Kitty. There's one point where Wolverine believes he's killed her against his will and howls at the moon in the rain...powerful stuff. Even if he lost a lot of his fights, they usually narrowed down his character overall. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if half the season Spyke was created was to have an excuse for episodes that focused on Storm, since he was her nephew. Spyke and X-23 at the time were hardly fan favorite characters. When Evolution was still on the air in 2003 I hardly met or saw anyone online who cared for either, even at SHH where I posted at the designated section (usually bleating about the misuse of Colossus; how little things change in 6 years).

The irony is that I agree that "relationships" can many times make a show, or expand it to a broader audience. While Kid's WB saw X-MEN EVOLUTION selling to the typical 8-13 year old boy market like most superhero cartoons, it wound up doing very well in a demographic that likely was unexpected; girls. The show did great ratings with young girls; many popular websites dedicated to the show, including Toonzone's own BEYOND EVOLUTION website in which some of the series producers did interviews years back, were founded by "fangirls", or at least as many as "fanboys". Although really, why not? X-Men Evolution's cast was almost split evenly between male and female characters; Rogue was almost the unofficial female lead for quite a while, with Jean and Kitty also getting loads of focus. Write female characters properly, and female fans will arrive, even for an X-Men show, it seems. What a concept. I mean, the same Hollywood that believes "no one goes to see lady action heroes" is always mind boggled when various polls show that Ripley from the ALIEN films is still a very well known and popular heroine.

Now, WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN doesn't have as many network handcuffs as Evolution did in the production, but in a way the show has decided that sacrificing character depth for storyline is a worthy trade off. That isn't to say there is zero characterization; that would be unfair. In this episode we all are reviewing, Quicksilver, Logan, and Angel to a degree got some character focus and complexion. Many characters get some "moments". Just with so much going on, it is in some ways a secondary feature to the show. With EVOLUTION, there may have been so many limits on what the network wanted or would allow that there was NO CHOICE but to invest more in the characters than the general plot at times. I mean despite my criticisms I am aware that animation is a large scale collaborative effort where talented people attempt to make the best show they can within the time frame, budget, censorship rules and yes, network expectations or demands (if any). Kyle and Johnson can spin it all they want, but I honestly doubt that making Wolverine the centerpiece in a year when he will be starring in a solo movie that will be on DVD within the same year is a coincidence, much as some similarities between the first X-Men movie and EVOLUTION weren't coincidences.

On the whole, Kyle, Johnson, and Yost have tried to make this show different to the original 90's show and Evolution, and in more ways than simply the Wolverine focus. There are more things from the comics, and more recent comics, too. They have tried to blend lore from the films with lore from both the 616 X-Men and even Ultimate in terms of designs and whatnot (W&TXM's Toad was clearly modeled after the Kubert Toad of Ultimate X-Men, for one quick example). The general storyline is more serial than Evolution and far more complicated; Evolution's tone wasn't terribly dark until the end of Season 2, 30 episodes in. Of course, not being buried in brooding angst from the start was part of what gave Evolution some charm; often times the X-Men take themselves more seriously than a district full of emo goth kids.

EVOLUTION also benefited from a much simpler universe. Perhaps in taking from the first X-MEN film, the only super-powered beings were mutants, and things such as Sentinels were incredibly rare, so when one did show up, it was epic, WAR OF THE WORLDS stuff. WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN in many ways takes more from the comics, where things like giant mutant-hunting robots are more mundane.

I know what the production staff is capable of with the X-Men from Evolution so I keep sort of hoping that maybe they just need time to build, or whatever. But the downside to sacrificing character depth for storyline is that a storyline is only as good as your characters; Evolution often had rather mundane plots (and not always the best action, either) but one was invested in the characters and they could almost write themselves at some point; in his debut, Fred "The Blob" Dukes actually WAS a character, rather than a goon, even if only for 20 minutes. In W&TXM, things are so busy that you are along for the ride and characterization is something that kind of happens, if there is time. The 1992-1997 X-MEN series could have been accused of that at times, but that was the trend setter, the basis to which many cartoon shows are judged.

Still, for fans of the comics who maybe don't care as much for some "namby pamby" soap opera stuff, this show is the balls. As it is, it is good. Simply not great. Yet.

And I hope that "yet" is justified.
 
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Exactly my point. You took the words outta my mouth. I didn't so much mind the teenage thing with evolution because they took the x-men back to their true roots cus I'm sure you know back in the 60's when the x-men comics first started they were all teenagers. I stll have an original x-men comic issue 12 I believe where Professor first asked Cyclops to lead the team. He was still a young boy. So its was nice to see them developing into the now mature popular adult heroes that most of us know them for. You hit the nail on the head "A good story is only as good as its characters" And yes I agree there is some good characterization going on in WAX but there could be a lot more. While I enjoyed the 'Code Of Conduct' wolverine solo episode, that solo slot could've have been given to one of the less fortunate X-men like Iceman, Beast or even Forge just to even it out a bit. I know the title of the show applies that is never really going to be the case but what the production team need to realise is that not everyone are fans of Wolverine. People will have their favorites and would like to see their favorites used in a favorable way at times and not just as jobbers for Wolverine. When the 'Excessive Force' episode aired I had difficulty sympathizing with Cyclops because I wasn't emotionally invested in him. If a bit more attention was thrown his way prior to that episode then the whole episode would have been more of a tear jerker for us viewers because there was no reason for it to fall short, it was well written. I remember the Evolution episode 'Impact' and how I nearly cried for Kurt when Rogue pushed Mystique off the cliff. That was powerful stuff which neither WAX or even the 92' X-men have managed match emotionally with maybe the exception of 'Graduation Day & Bloodlines. Even earlier Evolution episodes like 'Shadowed Past' from season 1 were of a high emotional level. My point is, if you do the ground work with a character at an early point then it all pays off later when you want to do something special with them. Despite all my ranting though, I'm actually loving the show and I'm sure it will get better in time. I'm probably being over critical anyway.

Yeah 92' x-men was the trend setter but that's all it was. A trend setter. I personally believe Evolution surpassed it and it looks like WAX is going that way too.
 
I hope Season 2 of WAX reopens the school. I loved how Evo & JLU took place in an environment with lots of other familiar heroes in the background occasionally joining in the fun.
 
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Agreed cause right now they just sit around in the mansion till they get orders from the future.
 
Nice action-filled episode. Only two things bothered me.

The way X-men got knocked out, especially Storm and Iceman, was kind of pathetic. Bolivar Trask said the Sentinels were learning and getting better with each fight, but instead, it appeared as if the X-men were getting worse.

And what was the use of creating a virus when Wolverine could simply destroy Master Mold with his claws? Even if something similar happened in X-men: TAS, now it just seems…..stupid honestly. Especially if everyone expected that MM would be completely destroyed by his claws. In this day and age, there’s bound to be back-up copies of everything.

Besides that, it was a good episode.
 
Now, the idea of an X-Men roster that actually was getting LESS competent in a fight under Wolverine's flawed leadership would be interesting. After all, Angel and Nightcrawler had just returned to the team after over a year of being separate from it; that alone would muck up some dynamics. Maybe Wolverine hasn't been running as many simulations because whenever there isn't a mission he is off exploring Canada or something, and the X-Men are getting rusty. That could be a very compelling sort of subplot, if the show was interested. It would clash with the notion that "Wolverine is AWESOME", though, so I doubt it. And that has been a problem.

The premise, as explained by Kyle and Johnson, has been to present Logan as not the best leader and an X-Men team in more disunity than before, or in prior cartoons. And in order for that premise to work, Wolverine has to appear incompetent or his mistakes have to have major consequences that characters call him on, at least at a level beyond a wry wisecrack, and even factioning against him. That clashes with the idea that Wolverine is always "the best there is at what he does", and that may be why the execution of this premise has been spotty.

I'm actually re-watching the original 90's cartoon from 1992-1997 after some 2-3 years since my last viewing of it, and while Master Mold was destroyed there via blunt force, it wasn't as simple as Wolverine stabbing it. The first time Master Mold appeared was in Genosha, when Storm, Jubilee, and Gambit had been sent there to investigate their seemingly peaceful treatment of mutants, and they wound up as slaves building a hydro-electric dam (alongside other mutants who would become enemies, such as Mystique, Blob, and Avalanche). Storm eventually wound up using her melodramatic (and terrible) lines of dialogue and powers to flood the area, seemingly blowing up Master Mold in the process. That failed, and Master Mold survived, seeking to overtake it's human creators and control the U.S. by making Sen Kelly a cyborg during his Presidency campaign. The X-Men blew up the Sentinel's base, but it took Xavier making a kamakazi style crash into Master Mold with the Blackbird full of TNT to destroy Master Mold. And even THAT didn't work! Master Mold's head survived and returned by Season 4, seeking to create a new body out of an experimental plastic. Morph ended up destroying the head within a cavern.

Of course, yeah, that was in the 90's, when Internet access cost quite a bit per hour. In 2008, I agree, the notion of Master Mold being able to DL it's essence into another computer or machine within range is a given.

I will be interested in episode 19, as the entire Sentinel affair clearly shows a major letdown in Wolverine's leadership. He thought only infiltrating the base while Master Mold was being constructed for data gathering, rather than just destroying it outright, was a good idea and it proved otherwise. He planned to have Forge destroy the program with a virus, and then that plan failed. Stabbing the console was Wolverine essentially trying to save the team at the moment; some might say the Jack Bauer approach of solving the crisis at the moment and moving on to the next when it comes. The notion of Wolverine being iffy as a leader because he sometimes thinks too small, being a scrapper, is a good one; if only they ran with it, rather than writing this series as, essentially, "Wolverine isn't the best leader, but it all works out in the end, despite himself."
 

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