Wolverine & Jason Bourne

[MrSmith1114]

Never really caught the similarities until now. Nice observation.

 

[ToriL90]

Actually, I believe Bourne's origin was published first. Seriously, though, hopefully the movies will be different enough. Characters like Bourne and Wolverine have been done before and the general public doesn't seem to mind too much... although I do agree. Ultimatum is very reminiscent of Wolverine.

that's right; Robert Ludlum published The Bourne Identity back in 1980. When was Wolverine's history chronicled?

 

[BMM]

^ I believe Wolverine's murky past was slowly developed during the mid-late 80s, while his involvement regarding Weapon X was further detailed and revealed in the early 90s.

 

[javphonic]

"Wolverine first appeared in the final "teaser" panel of The Incredible Hulk #180 (cover date October 1974) written by Len Wein and penciled by Herb Trimpe."

"The character's introduction was ambiguous, revealing little beyond his being a superhuman agent of the Canadian government."

"A revival of X-Men followed, beginning with Uncanny X-Men #94 (August 1975), drawn by Cockrum and written by Chris Claremont. In Uncanny X-Men, Wolverine is initially overshadowed by the other characters, although he does create tension in the team as he has a crush on Cyclops' girlfriend, Jean Grey. As the series progressed, Claremont and Cockrum (who preferred Nightcrawler[7]) considered dropping Wolverine from the series;[8] Cockrum's successor, artist John Byrne, championed the character, later explaining, as a Canadian himself, he did not want to see a Canadian character dropped.[9] Byrne created Alpha Flight, a group of Canadian superheroes who try to recapture Wolverine due to the expense their government incurred training him. Later stories gradually establish Wolverine's murky past and unstable nature, which he battles to keep in check. Byrne also designed a new brown-and-tan costume for Wolverine, but retained the distinctive Cockrum cowl."

IDK, my guess would be is that his origins begun to develop in the late 70's and so on and so forth, it's possible his origins were influenced from the Bourne stories, as the writers hadn't fully established his origin in the 70's

more info at...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine_(comics)#Wolverine.27s_intended_origin

 

[Vaportrail]

If they shot Wolverine in the same style as the Bourne sequels, well. I'd be sold.

I love those movies to death.

 

[experiment x]

I have never seen any of the Bourne movies or read the books. Does the project in Bourne purposely erase memories and implant new ones? In Wolverine comics Logan is a spy/assassin and is quite burned out by the time of the Weapon-X project.

Were they trying to create a super soldier in the Bourne movies/novels? That was the aim of the adamantium bonding process.

 

[zenith16]

I have never seen any of the Bourne movies or read the books. Does the project in Bourne purposely erase memories and implant new ones? In Wolverine comics Logan is a spy/assassin and is quite burned out by the time of the Weapon-X project.

Were they trying to create a super soldier in the Bourne movies/novels? That was the aim of the adamantium bonding process.

lol no project tread stone is nothing like the weapon X project. Jason born only lost his memory in the movie cause of a concussion he got from getting shot and falling into the water in his last mission. as to him and logan compared personality wise well lets see . this is where Matt Damon compared Bourne to james bond.

While on the road promoting his new film "The Bourne Ultimatum," Matt Damon had some disparaging things to say about the James Bond franchise (to which "Bourne" has been compared). The MI6 website reports that Damon said, "The Bond character will always be anchored in the 1960's and in the values of the 1960's. Bond is an imperialist and a misogynist who kills people and laughs about it, and drinks martinis and cracks jokes. Bourne is a serial monogamist whose girlfriend is dead and he does nothing but think about her. He doesn't have the support of gadgets, and he feels guilty for what he's done." Umm... did Matt Damon even go and see "Casino Royale? oh yeah with his busy schedule maybe not.

from here.
http://bb.elecplay.com/posting.php?mode=quote&p=134637

plus there's the fact that cause of Marie he(bourne) was trying to avoid killing people shown in ultimatum or using guns at times to kill. he only used it in self defense casue he had no chose yada, yada.

the only thing i can think of in comparison here is the fact that Xavier said not to kill for two reasons cause the public needed to see that the x-men are on the side of the law and the fact that Xavier is a medical doctor among other things and he was pushing do no harm rule too.

though it was ok for them the (X-men) to kill in these kind of circumstances.
the greatest principles is that they will never kill (unless to save their own lives or to save an inoccent when there is no other way). Like when cyclops saved storm from the EXternal(Immortal mutant) kandra most of the X-Man at one point in time or another also have used a gun on certain occasions for only those purposes when not having access to their powers other wise they try not to use guns that often.

it's cause of Xavier's Oath as doctor that makes him belives that life is sacred and he would gladly give his life to save someone else's life or a void taking one with those circumstances . This is why he fights criminal acts like the shadow king and so forth and would rather have his X-Men bring villains to justice and let those guys go to jail. plus the fact if the X-Men kill for vengence or cause they felt like it the public their protecting will turn on them cause they won't understand and their supposed to be helping people both ordinary human or super human powered mutants. and their trying keep their butts outta jail.

but wolverine on the other hand kills when he gets ticked off enough. and mostly for vengence. some times for good reason others not so good at all. point being Jason Bourne post his tread stone days would try his best to avoid killing cause he regrets doing so and cause of what marie taught him.

Wolverine doesn't give a damn.


import plot point here Jason was trying remember his past but was avoiding the Agency as shown in ultimatum.

Jason Bourne was trained to be a smooth operative. wolverine was brought mostly as a mercenary with the wepon Xers. it was shown in the comic's with Landune Luck man and lake people that logan wasn't good a under cover stuff and had to be bailed often by them.

weapon X was mostly about ex military guys turned mercenary which most of the army /any one in the military, guys from Vietnam called psycho's and and were never seen as cool agents. unlike what borne is known to be.
in the books jason born(david webb at the time) was never in the military. he only joined the CIA cause his former thai wife and and kids were killed and he wanted revenge and a friend in the CIA brought in a operation called Medusa

which in the movie is called tread stone.


jason and the operatives in tread stone did their work solo style. wolverine was in a group with saber tooth and few other to do the work they did.

wolverine is drawn to seek his past out and actively goes as soon as he gets a wiff of it.

as to a former poster that said about the wolverine movie being set in the completely in the past unfortunately no it's not, it'll dance back and forth between his past and present. he'll be searching for his past and come a across it and have flash backs and we'll get a good detail on his past weapon x wise or the fact it's the false stuff that the weapon project made up. and him having to deal with some of it's fall out in the present.

anyway if you want to know about jason bourne the book and the movie stuff
look here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Bourne_(character)

 

[X-Men Evolution]

lol

 

[scatterax]

There are definitely similarities - Blackbriar and Weapon X, the memory loss that Bourne has, journey to piece together his past and they're both best there is at what they do and what they do isn't very nice.t:

Also....i think Bourne also got Logan's healing powers too. No way could have survived the things that he did in Ultimatum such as that [BLACKOUT]highspeed car crash in NY and the bullet from Vosen[/BLACKOUT] without it.

just so you know, he didn't get shot in the end. he jumped off to escape.

 

[Red Mask]

Yes, there are similarities, except Bourne was on the run (which Wolverine wasn't, in the movies at least). Bourne is more like a rogue James Bond to me; he isn't as animalistic as Logan and he is much slicker as an operative, relying on agility and gut instinct rather than brute strength and enhanced senses. And Wolverine has been around much longer than Jason Bourne. The sci-fi of the Wolverine movie will differentiate them, so don't worry.

The Bourne novels were written long before the Weapon X origin was. But Wolverine does have a sci-fi angle that makes him unique. I wouldn't worry about it either. Unlike Jason Bourne, Wolverine didn't have a home to return to. He's lost more friends and family than any normal man should. Survival was his daily routine while Bourne wanted answers.

 

[Archangel_Death]

i would like to see damon play captain america.

Good call. it's just too bad Hollywood will never be as smart as the "fans."