Discussion in 'The Wolverine' started by Picard Sisko, May 29, 2012.
I'm sorry, but that just sounds really hokey.
Really which part?
Wolverine butchering and decapitating people? Or the fact hes in disguise and cant be seen?
I think its a brilliant way to find use for the costume cinematically.
It also makes for one of the best emotional moments between Wolverine & Mariko. To see this monster butcher all those people & then realize its the man she loves...she can't get close to him to calm or console him...when they lock eyes through the mask she sees just how far away from her he is now, and so does he. She cries, he goes right back to killing.
A superhero pulling his iconic suit from a stage play costume rack is just too corny. It would come off like Steve Rogers in his stage costume in CATFA, except the humor wouldn't be intentional.
I think it would be more on the side of creepy and insane. He aint gonna be signing and dancing in it haha
Wolverine is no superhero in Aronofsky's screenplay. He's a killer, a broken man, an animal. Not a superhero.
There really is no other way to justify the costume.
Also, unlike Cap's costume in the USO, this costume actually serves a purpose - to give Wolverine & Mariko that moment of truth where they lock eyes & she instantly realizes what's happened to the man she loves after he was torn from her life.
Depending on the time period, I could easily see a spandex type costume on a Japanese set of some kind. I'm thinking something related to Super Sentai type stuff.
I have to agree. It sounds like a miss aimed nod to the fans, it devalues the costume itself and makes it some random throwaway disguise.
Have you been reading the context of the costume's appearance?
Because said reasoning for its use is ten times more valid & relevant to character development & storytelling than any justification for it that ever existed in the books.
Its one of the best emotional moments between Wolverine & Mariko. To see this monster butcher all those people & then realize its the man she loves...she can't get close to him to calm or console him...when they lock eyes through the mask she sees just how far away from her he is now, and so does he. She cries, he goes right back to killing.
Its quite brilliant.
No, I get what the scene is trying to do (and I'll admit that sounds interesting), but that has nothing to do with the costume itself. You would lose nothing in that scene if you swapped out Wolverine's costume for another random costume. The suit's presence is more or less meaningless other than an in-joke.
Personally I don't think the costume would look good in that situation since it would have to look like it's something appropriate for its use in that scene. It's not likely to look like a serious adaptation of the suit as it would have if it were actually meant for him and for the purpose of battle.
Thing is, Wolverine doesn't need a battle suit. He is the battle suit.
There's really no way to justify a costume for him. Singer vetoed the mask in X-MEN because he felt Wolverine had no reason to hide & gave him an X-suit that belonged to Scott. I agree completely with said decisions because in the real world Wolverine would never wear a costume.
That's why the opera scene works so well for me. Its an intelligent nod to the fans that doesn't take the story from grounded to nonsensical.
Personally I think it's subjective. The mask didn't work for Singer, a different director might have thought otherwise. I disagree that Wolverine doesn't need a costume or a mask. I wouldn't say either costume or no costume is necessarily wrong, just that I would prefer to have it (and I've yet to see a convincing argument as to why it can't or shouldn't be done).
You can only get so much realism into an adaptation like Wolverine and frankly I think a costume (one that fits the tone of the movie) would be one of the lesser concerns when it comes to making the film grounded. If they can have Silver Samurai dress like.... well, a Silver Samurai, then I would find it hard to scoff at Wolverine having a costume (unless it was a bright yellow spandex costume and went against the tone of the movie).
Personally if they go with a suit I'd LOVE to see the XForce suit, since Fox don't care for continuity or sticking with the comics IF they put him in a suit this would work best.
Its black and stealth so wouldn't stand out as much as the other suits and .... well look at it ... its so badass!
I think if you were going to give Wolverine's costume a more militaristic look (as if it were given to him by a military operation like Department H or something like that) then the X-Force suit is a good option to adapt. Though I wouldn't mind a costume somewhat based on the yellow and blue classic design (though the colours would have to played around with a bit).
Though I think that if they had a Wolverine costume for this movie then a more Samurai or Ninja-like design with the red and yellow colours could make a good costume.
Start at 2:10.
Seen it. Still looks stupid as hell.
so does batman's but looks fine in the movie, it is called entertainment.
That's fine for cosplay, but laughable for a movie. Even Arrow's costume production could do better.
batman's mask has never looked dumb cant compare this mask
I'd love to see Wolverine's mask on film. Just pick a less dramatic example to make it more practical. Something like this:
I love that every time someone want's to argue against something they always throw out the most outrageous examples, or the yellow and blue spandex. I said that Wolverine's mask would look no less silly than Bat's does on film
Wolverine has no backstory for his mask that's the problem. Yes batman's mask looks ridiculous in most contexts but his whole MO is taking what scared him as a child and adopting it as his persona to a)scare criminals and b) protect his identity.
Wolverine is not much more of a nickname since he doesn't really try to look like a wolverine nor was he really inspired by wolverines. So his costume and mask just come off looking garish and pointless (what are those mask fins supposed to be anyways?). Not to mention wolverine barely knows his own identity let alone tries to protect it.
He has a "i don't give a **** attitude" which is usually counter to someone wearing a flamboyant mask. Wolverine is probably the worst example of a comic character with a mask just for the sake of being drawn with one.
^pretty much he doesn't have a secret identity like batman and spiderman
and doesn't cover a disfigurement like say deadpool
whats the point of wearing it when no other x men wears one and logically has no reason to wear it singer and fox made the right choice not to give him one
I'm sure we won't see it, but the costume is iconic and I'd love for there to be a reason he needs it in one of these films. He could base the mask on ceremonial samurai armor while in training, to get him more focused and in the mindset. Even if we see it for a brief moment, I'd love to see it brought to life on film. I certainly won't lose sleep over it, nor will I offer a passionate argument for why we should see it. It seems silly to do so considering you already have to leave much of these films to the imagination anyway.
For you. I can't really see most people wondering why Wolverine wears a costume or a mask when watching the movie in the cinema. It's only fans that tend to over think the little things like that.