DC Films Wonder Twins movie no longer in the works

Prison Mike said:
What makes those two “inspiring” versus who they cast?
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I'll try to give you an answer here.

We can look at Isabel May first. She's close to an unknown.
Odeya Rush is a high-profiled actress and big star in comparison because she's done a lot of different projects. We have all heard about her, haven't we? We know she can act.
I think Isabel was cast in WT partly because she didn't require a big pay check. Notice that I said partly! She can't be without talent.
While I have no actual evidence to back it up, wouldn't Odeya ask for a little more money? I would guess so.

Then to KJ Apa. While he's more famous than Isabel, I think I know one of the reasons to why he got the role of Zan. Just one reason, that is. Not the whole explanation.
His most known role is Archie in Riverdale, which is a CW series.
CW in turn, is connected to Warner Brothers.
The WB studio owns the right to all DC characters. But it also owns HBO Max, right?
There it is!
I think it's fair to say that, atleast with Apa, WB went with one of their "own" actors for the HBO Wonder Twins film rather than trying to find someone elsewhere.
That's how the industry works. We have to accept it.

Why do I support Gavin Casalegno as the more interesting choice here?
The reason is that I have wanted him to succeed for years. I can admit that he may have struggled a bit with his career for some time. But he's been around a little longer than Apa. His name was also more known to the public before Riverdale became popular.
Gavin had been acting in smaller projects for a few years already when he, sort of, got his breakthrough as a film actor back in 2014. He was a promising young actor back then.
Apa on the other hand made his acting debut in a TV series the same year. His very first role.

It would have been to easy to make the alien circus twins appear a little bit latino with Odeya and Gavin because that's how the actors look in real life.
But there's not enough trust in the Wonder Twins project. That's why WB/HBO steared away from getting lead actors with too much previous name recognition. It's also why they didn't go with, in my own opinion, the more obvious actors for the twins. Which I think Odeya and Gavin are.
During the casting process, it wasn't only about looking for talent. It also had to be more low-profile actors. That's how it seems to be.

Let me give examples. Somebody somewhere might have hoped for Asa Butterfield to play Zan. NO CHANCE! Way too popular actor!
Personally I could have imagined Hailee Steinfeld as Jayna. It would truly have been awesome!
But it's the same with her. She's just too big.
I tried to be a little more realistic when I suggested Odeya and Gavin. I saw a chance for them to actually happen. But no, even they were too well-known to play WT.
As I said, I aimed too high with my suggested actors for the characters.
Who cares about Wonder Twins anyway? I might be one of the very very few who look forward to it.
It's a wonder (no pun) the two characters even got their own project.
 
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Bring Wonder Twins to Superman and Lois or Flash.
 
Airwings said:
Probably a positive thing it was cancelled.
It didn't feel right with the chosen leads and director.
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@Frodo
Thanks for the like.

Should they try again, with another director?
And Gavin Casalegno/Odeya Rush as the twins?
 
WB Discovery ain't ****ing around.
 
Airwings said:
@Frodo
Thanks for the like.

Should they try again, with another director?
And Gavin Casalegno/Odeya Rush as the twins?
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I would be totally down for them trying again with a different director.
I also think Casalegno and Rush fit the roles much better.
They also look like they could be brother and sister.

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Frodo said:
I would be totally down for them trying again with a different director.
I also think Casalegno and Rush fit the roles much better.
They also look like they could be brother and sister.

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Thank you :)
I did some thinking before my choice fell on these two actors. One could actually believe they're related (I also have another actor duo on my mind, will get back to that).
When I look at your pics it becomes very clear that Gavin and Odeya should have gotten the roles.

What went wrong?
Warner didn't have trust in Wonder Twins, that's evident. What were they really thinking here?

Maybe the meetings went like this:
"Get a writer with no previous experience of directing to helm this!".
Yeah, very good idea to do a special effects driven superhero film as a directional debut.
And that with Wonder Twins who desperately need to upgrade their status among other superhero characters.
You rock, Warner!!!! It's a good thing to not try to at all!!!!

"Look only for low-profile actors with very little name recognition, (or total unknowns)!"
When the two leads were revealed, I could only feel emptiness. No excitiement at all. It's like Warner tried to find the most uninspired actors out there.

Sometimes during pre-production, the studio people must have realized they were aiming too low here. The filming hadn't started yet and it already seemed like the final result wasn't going to be any good, lol.
Even by Warner standards, which are sometimes quite low

The WT film would have made sure the characters were still going to be on the same c-list hero level also in live action.
It wasn't possible to keep on doing the cbm adaption with the same people involved. The final result was going to be a failure.
Not even Wonder Twins deserve such bad treatment.
So the project was scrapped.
 
Frodo said:
I would be totally down for them trying again with a different director.
I also think Casalegno and Rush fit the roles much better.
They also look like they could be brother and sister.
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I can add that people in charge at Warner Brothers didn't have their hearts in the project. They same people are likely those who came up with the idea to make this adaption.
That's how it appears to be.

Wonder Twins are low-tier characters. Some people might think they are crap.
That's not an excuse for Warner to treat them like that, as nothing else than crap.
Don't they understand they have to make an effort regarding their projects, also when it comes to Zan and Jayna?
The studio didn't try.
I mean, it doesn't require much of a brain to understand that a more experienced director could be better. Especially someone who got a knack for both comedy and special effects.
Ivan Reitman is no longer with us but there are others.
Casting Gavin and Odeya is also a no-brainer.

Oh, by the way, my other suggestion for the leads is Dylan Minnette & Isabelle Furhman.
A bit different than the first one but still quite good (if I'm allowed to say that)

Frodo, isn't it amazing when fancasts are better than the real thing?
 
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Airwings said:

I can add that people in carge at Warner Brothers didn't have their hearts in the project. They same people are likely those who came up with the idea to make this adaption.
That's how it appears to be.

Wonder Twins are low-tier characters. Some people might think they are crap.
That's not an excuse for Warner treat them like that, as nothing else than crap.
Don't they understand they have to make an effort regarding their projects, also when it comes to Zan and Jayna?
The studio didn't try.
I mean, it doesn't require much of a brain to understand that a more experienced director could be better. Especially someone who got a knack for both comedy and special effects.
Ivan Reitman is no longer with us but there are others.
Casting Gavin and Odeya is also a no-brainer.

Oh, by the way, my other suggestion for the leads is Dylan Minnette & Isabelle Furhman.
A bit different than the first one but still quite good (if I'm allowed to say that)

Frodo, isn't it amazing when fancasts are better than the real thing?
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I definitely think a good family film could be made with the Wonder Twins if the production has the team and talent behind it to work for it.

It would certainly emphasize the idea that DC films are as diverse as possible, and offer variety in terms of entertainment content for the audience.

Some films are more adult oriented like The Batman, Joker, etc, and other films like Wonder Twins, Shazam, and Plastic Man, for example, could lean into the family audience.

At the same time, films like Plastic Man, Wonder Twins should be treated with the same reverence and respect for the source material that the more serious DC films are.

It can be done, but the studio and the production team have to be dedicated to doing the story justice .
 
Frodo said:
I definitely think a good family film could be made with the Wonder Twins if the production has the team and talent behind it to work for it.

It would certainly emphasize the idea that DC films are as diverse as possible, and offer variety in terms of entertainment content for the audience.

Some films are more adult oriented like The Batman, Joker, etc, and other films like Wonder Twins, Shazam, and Plastic Man, for example, could lean into the family audience.

At the same time, films like Plastic Man, Wonder Twins should be treated with the same reverence and respect for the source material that the more serious DC films are.

It can be done, but the studio and the production team have to be dedicated to doing the story justice .
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That's how it should be, yes :)

I still can't understand why Warner Brothers are struggling so much with their CBMs.
What problems do they have over there?

Who's bright idea was it, in the first place, to make Wonder Twins? What makes the alien siblings more interesting than other, more popular, DC characters?
Well, the WT film was going to happen. It could have opened up a chance to, sort of, reinvent the characters. Or atleast do something good with the property. But I don't think either was going to be the case.

Why start the production on an adaption, only to cancel it a few months later?
As they seemingly don't care enough about the characters to give them a worthy treatment, why announce a film version at all? It's almost like they needed to, or else they will lose the rights

I would want very much to be a fly on the wall during their meetings, lol

Maybe the reason it got axed is because something or someone brought the studio back to reality?
It could be they actually believed themselves they would hit it big with their vision of Wonder Twins (oh what a horror), before finally understanding it was going to be too bland.
Let's hope they also realized they didn't handle the material with enough respect.

Frodo, what director would you have wanted to see tackle Wonder Twins?
 
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Airwings said:
That's how it should be, yes :)

I still can't understand why Warner Brothers are struggling so much with their CBMs.
What problems do they have over there?

Who's bright idea was it, in the first place, to make Wonder Twins? What makes the alien siblings more interesting than other, more popular, DC characters?
Well, the WT film was going to happen. It could have opened up a chance to, sort of, reinvent the characters. Or atleast do something good with the property. But I don't think either was going to be the case.

Why start the production on an adaption, only to cancel it a few months later?
As they seemingly don't care enough about the characters to give them a worthy treatment, why announce a film version at all? It's almost like they needed to, or else they will lose the rights

I would want very much to be a fly on the wall during their meetings, lol

Maybe the reason it got axed is because something or someone brought the studio back to reality?
It could be they actually believed themselves they would hit it big with their vision of Wonder Twins (oh what a horror), before finally understanding it was going to be too bland.
Let's hope they also realized they didn't handle the material with enough respect.

Frodo, what director would you have wanted to see tackle Wonder Twins?
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I gotta say ,I'm not sure.

I'm big on Jason Reitman these days , though I'm not sure if he'd be the best fit for Wonder Twins.
I think he could nail down the youth and family dynamics pretty well, though I don't know if he would treat it more "snarky" ," self aware" , " meta", and he may poke fun at the characters expense , as opposed just going with the concepts and ideas, and not making fun of them.

I think Reitman fits better with a character like Spiderman than The Wonder Twins

Brad Bird, who's often thrown around for F4 might be the better pick given how he handled the Incredibles.

Joe Johnston might also be good.

Those are the bigger named directors that come off the top of my heard.
 
Frodo said:
I gotta say ,I'm not sure.

I'm big on Jason Reitman these days , though I'm not sure if he'd be the best fit for Wonder Twins.
I think he could nail down the youth and family dynamics pretty well, though I don't know if he would treat it more "snarky" ," self aware" , " meta", and he may poke fun at the characters expense , as opposed just going with the concepts and ideas, and not making fun of them.

I think Reitman fits better with a character like Spiderman than The Wonder Twins

Brad Bird, who's often thrown around for F4 might be the better pick given how he handled the Incredibles.

Joe Johnston might also be good.

Those are the bigger named directors that come off the top of my heard.
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Good suggestions! :)

Lol, imagine if Wonder Twins went meta. Maybe break the fourth wall?

Johnston did the "Shrink Kids" films (atleast the first one) and Rocketeer. He could have done well if he didn't have his MCU baggage. People will just start to think of Captain America.

Somehow, I started to think of Edgar Wright. Don't know why, lol.
Perhaps because of Scott Pilgrim?
It would also be possible with one of all these directors who have made adaptions of classic fairy tales or
YA (sci fi/fantasy) fiction the last 15-20 years.
Previous experience of doing family friendly flics with supernatural elements would give most of them an advantage.
True that some among these directors have fallen off the map. But in any case, still being a more worthy director than a random writer who's never helmed anything before.

Warner Brothers should just start again and give us something that doesn't have the most boring choice of young actors that can be found.
Frodo, maybe the studio needs the two of us to help steer the project in the right direction?

To begin with, it shouldn't be earth-based only. Let us see the space travelling Trans-World Circus too, and also the twins' home planet Exxor.
 
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If the film won't make enough money through streaming, the solution is to give it a theatrical release. $75M isn't much so it could easily get the budget back.
But then again, they will have to make it appear more interesting. Change the cast and director, don't go all comedy but do dramatic moments too, treat the characters with respect, also include the cosmic angle (the siblings are from space) etc. Anything that will make people wanna see the film.
The studio will need to put some more money into the production however, up to $120M-$130M or so.

If everything works out, it could make as much as $400M.
Ant-Man and GOTG made more with their first films.... but Wonder Twins can still be a little suprise hit with that number.

I doubt that Warner Bros will look to MCU for clues how to make good comic book adaptions. All I can do is to hope for the best.
 
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