Wonder Woman 1984 General Discussion and Speculation

[Iceman]

Me too. The scenes on Themyscira were wonderful. And I really want to forget about the Amazonian slaughter in Justice League.

Yes, let's hope the universe can keep the Amazons and Themyscira intact to feature in future films.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Me too. The scenes on Themyscira were wonderful. And I really want to forget about the Amazonian slaughter in Justice League.

How were they "slaughtered"? The Amazons gave as good as they got and the last shot of them in large numbers in the movie is as a huge force coming over the hills, just too late to stop the bad guys from achieving their goals. As for some getting killed... It's happened MULTIPLE times in comics, too many to mention. Besides which... They've never been "unbeatable", which... Where's the fun in that? A story where the Amazons are automatically given a win in every situation lacks stakes. I mean... Even in the highly regarded WW DTV they showed Amazons getting killed. Some falling in combat doesn't equal a "slaughter" by any stretch.

 

[Flemm]

Some type of return to Themiscyra would certainly make sense, but I think maybe not right away.

It just feels like the trajectory right now is more toward navigating mankind's world, rather than going back to the place of origin. It's a little soon for that.

That's why having some other Amazons also leave Themiscyra might be a logical choice, as part of the sequel.

But anything is possible, it's just speculation for the time being.

 

[Dufusyte]

Everyone loved the Themiscyra scenes of the first film, so there is kind of a mandate to put something similar in every subsequent film, whether it fits or not. This poses something of a quandary for the writers, as the main story line is in man's world as noted, but then they need to work in a "meanwhile, here are a ton of Amazons" scene somehow.

A flashback works nicely, showing some event from Amazonian history which was briefly illustrated in the first film. Would love to see Hippolyta leading the rebellion which freed the Amazons from bondage, as long as it is vaguely apropos of something in the new film (or even if it isn't).

 

[misslane38]

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@PattyJenks Can't…Stop… Watching… @PedroPascal1 !!! #WW84

 

[harlequinade]

oh rawr!

 

[misslane38]

I'm curious about the presentation here. Is this just what it looks like from Patty's point of view as she sets up her shots or reviews her footage on set? I guess it could be, but it seems like the type of screen and quality of the footage are kind of retro.

Or is it supposed to be footage that is being watched within the film itself, like on the screens Diana was standing in front of in one of the earlier released photos? If so, it would be odd and kind of difficult to get that kind of recording using 80's technology wouldn't it? Or is it just a good dashboard camera or something? I guess I'm curious if this is where the title's allusion to 1984 comes into play (e.g. spying, etc.).

 

[green]

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@PattyJenks Can't…Stop… Watching… @PedroPascal1 !!! #WW84

Has there been anything said about who he might be playing?
I love Pedro, glad he's been added to the cast.
I can't not hear the Dynasty theme along with this pic though. t:

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Henry Cobb Armbruster?

 

[Wonder89]

Maxwell Lord or Doctor Psycho?

 

[Dufusyte]

Pedro is playing...

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Maxwell Lord who uses psychic powers to conjure Steve in Diana's head.

So now they will need to play the song "Head Games" by Foreigner.

Daylight, alright
I don't know, I don't know if it's real
Been a long night and something isn't right
You won't show, you won't show how you feel
No time ever seems right
To talk about the reasons why you and I fight
It's high time to draw the line
Put an end to this game before it's too late

[Chorus]
Head games, it's you and me baby
Head games, and I can't take it anymore
Head games, I don't want to play the
Head games

[Verse 2]
I daydream for hours it seems
I keep thinking of you, yeah, thinking of you
These daydreams, what do they mean?
They keep haunting me, are they warning me?

Daylight turns into night
We try and find the answer but it's nowhere in sight
It's always the same and you know who's to blame
You know what I'm saying, still we keep on playing

[Chorus]

[Verse 3]
So near, so far away
We pass each other by because we don't know what to say
It's so clear, I'm sorry to say
But if you want to win you got to learn how to play

[Chorus][x2]
Head games, always you and me, baby
Head games, until I can't take it anymore
Head games, instead of making love
Head games, ooh

[Outro]
Head games, in the first degree
Head games, yeah, always you and me
Head games, why do you do it baby?
Head games



Came out in 1979. I'm tellin' ya, all the great music is from the 70's.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The question would be how anyone would know anything about Steve and Diana? Though I suppose that could link up to the search for the picture Diana was on.

 

[Dufusyte]

Maxwell Lord or Doctor Psycho?

They both

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conjure a fake Steve, so it's the same difference.

Maxwell Lord is a business man, so he fits better with the 80's theme, but Dr. Psycho uses ectoplasm which is way cooler.

I like the Dr. Psycho version , personally.

 

[Willi Berg]

The question would be how anyone would know anything about Steve and Diana? Though I suppose that could link up to the search for the picture Diana was on.

Could also be about manipulating a person's wants and desires, manifesting them, maybe even some mind-reading.

Henry Cobb Armbruster?

If it's neither of the two characters most speculated about, then I can see him being a character like this.

They both

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conjure a fake Steve, so it's the same difference.

Maxwell Lord is a business man, so he fits better with the 80's theme, but Dr. Psycho uses ectoplasm which is way cooler.

I like the Dr. Psycho version , personally.

Doctor Psycho would have more powers at his disposal.

Unless there was even another villain behind all of this. Like Circe.

 

[Loki882]

They both

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conjure a fake Steve, so it's the same difference.

Maxwell Lord is a business man, so he fits better with the 80's theme, but Dr. Psycho uses ectoplasm which is way cooler.

I like the Dr. Psycho version , personally.

Maxwell Lord also has to ability to influence people's minds. And he has a hatred of metahumans. So he'd fit her definitely.

 

[Vlyse]

Dr. Psycho, imo. Patty pays respects to the comics and he is one of her oldest foes just like Ares, Dr. Poison, and Cheetah. Maxwell Lord is not a WW character at all.

 

[haephestus]

I’ll guess that Pedro Pascal is playing Maxwell Lord, with more of Dr Psycho’s personality and motivations. Maybe he’ll even been name checked as Dr Psycho at some point.

The rich, sleazy power wielding businessman seems to be closer to Maxwell Lord. At least that’s more so the vibe I get from that single shot of him in a fancy suit (for the era) sitting in the back of his chauffeur driven car.

 

[sup101]

That pic don't solve anything as to who he could be. It could be anybody, People saying

Maxwell Lord
Dr. Psycho
Glorious godfrey
sebastian ballesteros

He could be a Olympian God in disguise similar to ares. Someone like, Eros, Hades, Phobos, Deimos, Hermes.

 

[Willi Berg]

The hairstyle might just be an 80s fashion look, not necessarily Maxwell Lord.

I agree that Doctor Psycho is more a classic WW villain. Maxwell is more Justice League and crossovers.

I like the idea of Dr. Psycho in terms of him creating a dream state for Diana, and those around her. That seems to align more with the location shooting pics we saw in Washington D.C. of falling rocks, cows, people acting bizarre etc.

They could also tie in his hatred of women into the plotlines of Cheetah, and the Amazons (including the Bana-Mighdall) and creating chaos and war between them.

They could do a lot with the Maxwell Lord character too and he could do similar things. So I wouldn't mind or be surprised if it was him. Doctor Psycho can create a more dream-like state whereas Lord is brutal killing mind-control, like when he made Superman fight WW in the OMAC Project. They're both interesting characters that have some abilities that interlap.

 

[Iceman]

I’m not sure I want an Olympian in disguise twice in a row.

 

[Loki882]

Lord also gained the power to wipe away all memory of his very existance from the world in the Generation Lost. So he's not all about killing.

 

[Willi Berg]

Lord also gained the power to wipe away all memory of his very existance from the world in the Generation Lost. So he's not all about killing.

Yes but his stuff is still quite swift and brutal whereas Dr Psycho has created more elaborate dream-like states.

I also think Doctor Psycho has more ties to WW's characters.

 

[Dufusyte]

In terms of Steve, Dr. Psycho actually turns himself into Steve via ectoplasm (cf. the Captain Wonder / Wonder Etta storyline), so he is literally walking around in a Steve-disguise. Whereas Maxwell just conjures an illusion of Steve in Diana's head (and everyone else's head as well, if need be.) So Dr. Psycho is a wolf in sheep's clothing, whereas Maxwell is mere headgames.

The difference is "dramatically" different. One makes for great drama, and the other is rather boring. To illustrate this, lets play out these two scenarios:

You're in a theater. Diana and Steve are on screen. The pest behind you starts talking, "Steve is actually Dr. Psycho in disguise." Woah - you worry for Diana, she is so vulnerable as she opens up more and more to "Steve." It's like a horror show and she doesn't know the killer is standing right next to her. You're on the edge of your seat and you...can't...stop...watching!

Ok, other scenario: the pest behind you says, "See Steve, he's really just Diana's imagination." Wow. Trippy. And kind of boring. Enough of the head games - can't wait for the next scene with real characters on screen.

Back to scenario #1; it's the love scene. "No Diana! Don't do it! It's Dr. Psycho in disguise! Aack!" And everyone in the theater is screaming at Diana to tell her she is in peril, and everyone is throwing buckets of popcorn at the screen to get her attention, and it's a big riot. That's great drama.

Ok, now scenario #2 with the love scene. "You see Diana rolling in the sheets? She's tangling with her own imagination." Wow. Heady. And rather meaningless. Next scene please.

So the Wolf in Sheep's clothing scenario produces infinitely better drama than the "figment of the imagination" scenario.

 

[Willi Berg]

^I don't know how far they would go with the ectoplasm/Captain Wonder stuff in the movie, though. Do you really think they would go into all that stuff?

They could have Doctor Psycho create "headgames" as well, if they choose to.

 

[Dufusyte]

Apparently "blue and gold" is a trademark of Maxwell Lord, so the photo's color grading is a sure tip-off they are going with him.

In that case, the best way forward would be to have Maxwell project a psychic disguise around himself, so Diana (and others) perceive him as "Steve." This way we still get the Wolf in Sheep's clothing dynamic, and all the drama that brings.

And at the end of the movie, as the disguise starts to fall apart, and Wonder Woman is looking at him, and then for a brief cut it is Steve with Pedro's head, and she does a doubletake and it's back to Steve's head, and she is like, "What's going on; I thought I saw something." And he's like, "who, me?" And it's kind of creepy and chilling in its own way.