Wonder Woman Thread

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[Matt.S99]

Exactly. I think people might have been expecting too much in he pilot.

 

[DrCosmic]

That's the problem with Wondy, she's propped up as Batman-Superman level, and rarely executed as such. Everyone expects too much from her all the time.

 

[Jordacar]

The pilot still stinks

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

I don't think it is totally fair to comment on an unfinished pilot episode. Although there were a lot of things which were quite bad about it. But these might have been able to have been fixed with some re-shot scenes, editing, dialogue changes. etc.

However the places where they lost me were, having Wonder Woman torture and murder where she cleary had no need to do either.

It's a shame, because who knows when anyone will come along who is brave enough to take another go at WW?

 

[Anita18]

Just came back from a party where the main event was a viewing of the Wonder Woman pilot. OMG was it spectacularly awful.

We had a few writers and TV crew in attendance, and all of us howled in laughter at the lawyer's "Oh, you!" head shake when he hears the screams of the guy Wonder Woman was torturing. And of course it only got worse from there - we all went when WW [blackout]kills a "$12/hr a rent-a-cop" security guard by throwing a pipe into his neck.[/blackout] And was more when IT WAS NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN. In fact she's even hailed as a hero and gets a standing ovation. Really? Was that guy an undocumented alien whose existence was wiped from any records that night?

It's clear that the people who were behind this WW interpretation have no idea how to write a superhero story. Nothing short of a complete script/approach overhaul could have saved this - no reshoots, dialogue rewrites, nothing. Start over and get some people who know how to write a superhero story.

None of us cared about Wonder Woman because she wasn't noble from the get-go. Heck, Batman is notoriously harsher than WW and we always root for him because you know he always has the best intentions, but WW in the pilot was just all-around mean. "I'm all alone, nobody understands me! I work with no one! I do what I want!" In fact we all liked her lackeys better than WW herself.

I didn't quite understand the tone that they were going for. Obviously by making Wonder Woman infinitely "edgier"/meaner, it was automatically darker, but then it also had some bizarrely light moments in it as well. And they definitely crossed a line by making Wonder Woman TOO "edgy", because we didn't get on her bandwagon within the first 10 seconds of meeting her and refused to get on the rest of the episode. It was just impossible to root for her.

As one of the writers there said, the only thing they had to do was not totally eff this up, and the series would have been picked up. Most pilots aren't very good because they try to do too much, so it says A LOT that this was a pilot for a known character was so bad that nobody wanted to touch it with a 10-ft pole.

I'm still flabbergasted that not only was this WRITTEN by someone(s) not familiar with how a superhero story works, but that it was signed off by multiple people in order to get to this stage.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

I'm still confused as to how this entire section still exists since there isn't a show in development, unless I'm missing something.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm still confused as to how this entire section still exists since there isn't a show in development, unless I'm missing something.

And yet Hulk, who is part of the Avengers movie, has a TV series potentially coming up, has had 2 movies and an old TV series doesn't have his own forum. At least for WW we should have a section for her old 70s series. This new WW pilot only deserves a thread, not an entire section.

 

[Webhead2006]

it will probably be closed soon enough or just a thread remain open in general tv or dc misc section. The mods are probably just busy with other things. Heck there is loads of sections with old threads/open sections for dead things.

 

[Micromind]

Hulk TV series pilot episode is yet to be shown and approved by execs, or is is green lit already ?

 

[dnno1]

I don't think it is totally fair to comment on an unfinished pilot episode. Although there were a lot of things which were quite bad about it. But these might have been able to have been fixed with some re-shot scenes, editing, dialogue changes. etc.

However the places where they lost me were, having Wonder Woman torture and murder where she cleary had no need to do either.

It's a shame, because who knows when anyone will come along who is brave enough to take another go at WW?

I agree. Another thing to consider is the fact that the studios wanted a show that was similar to "Mad Men" on network TV. They got "Playboy" and "Pan Am", but as you can see they are being canceled. The networks made the wrong decision.

 

[DrCosmic]

^It would have been a great decision if they had committed to it. As is, they made a premiere cable-styled show, but expected it to perform like a hot network drama, not realizing that those shows build over time, and require long term support before they become the critical and commercial powerhouses they are now. They were greedy, wanting the Mad Men reward without paying the Mad Men price, and it didn't work out, surprise.

And didn't Hulk have a forum at one time? I coulda sworn...

Anyway... what would be your pitch for a Wonder Woman show? How would you have handled things differently from the ground up?

 

[Webhead2006]

hulk hasnt even started production yet, its still in pre production stage.

 

[Dude]

Hate to resurrect this but goodness that was beyond awful. This wonder woman would make a good villain for v for vendetta. I was waiting for her to water board someone.