WonderCon: The Ruckaning

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...or, I saw Geoff Johns in the bathroom. He had a hot Asian lady friend with him. (not in the bathroom)

Oh and *inhales* I SPOKE ENGLISH-SOUNDING WORDS TO ADAM ****ING BALDWIN.

:awesome: I SAY WOOT AND I MEAN IT :awesome:

Anyway I was at WonderCon today, went to DC panels, etc etc.

The Geoff Johns panel was packed. He was one single person, and the room was pretty big, but it was still seriously full. I questioned Johns about Earth being the first planet to ever have life and what does that mean for the Guardians' timeline, 'cause I'm a big dumbass who likes wasting questions. He gave the generic "It'll be explored in Brightest Day" answer.

DC Nation panel was just DiDio, Jim Lee, and Johns, which surprised me. There was some talk about new responsibilities, and there was a lot of talk about making more, better DC movies. Johns wants all DC characters to make it to the big screen. Other than that there were no real revelations here other than that All-Star Batman would be reborn under a different title.

For my question, I mentioned to them that for the past several years DC's team books like JLA and Titans either seemed to be getting together or breaking apart and all I've been getting is "JLA: Disassembled" and "New Titans," and as a reader it seems like all they're doing is throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. Johns said he agreed. DiDio seemed like he agreed as well, and said something to the effect that even though it doesn't always work, they always try to do the best and be putting out the best books that they can.

(Newsarama transcribed my question as [Next person up was irritated with rapid roster changes in team books, specifically Teen Titans. "I agree with you, I think you need stability on team books," Johns said. "There will be some stability brought back to the Teen Titans."] which, eh, I suppose is pretty much how I expected it to be transcribed. Though I didn't mention Teen Titans at all, Johns just brought it up as an example.)

But my favorite part of today would have to be the spotlight on Greg Rucka. It was actually incredibly revelatory, I wish I could transcribe it all for you. It's a little sad that there weren't that many people there to hear what he said, maybe forty or fifty tops in the huge room...but that also made for a more intimate, subdued atmosphere, which was nice. He talked a lot about his process, his take on female characters, stuff like that. He says that a writer needs to be challenged and to "feel scared" about what they're writing, and shouldn't ever get too comfortable. Which may explain the most pertinent news that, according to him, he just finished the last thing he'll be writing for DC for a bit.

Yup, it's all true: Rucka is taking a break from DC comics. It didn't sound like there was any malicious reason for it at all; he just basically says he needs to do his own thing at the moment. Read what you will of it.

He gave a very in-depth, very interesting analysis of Wonder Woman and how he went about writing her. He was quite open about it, possibly because...well, he's taking a break from DC and can be a bit more open. He actually spoke fairly harshly against some former WW writers, saying that they didn't like the character, they just wanted to f*** her. His exact words.

He said that WW is absolutely a political character, but that unfortunately the feminism of the era that she was created under is hard to transition to modern times. He is completely cognizant of WW's creepy bondage themes. There are the bondage boots. The bracelets of submission. "The lasso isn't a lasso, it's a whip." Again, his exact words. He said that writers tend to just ignore that, which he disagreed with. I found that interesting because I didn't really catch any of those themes in his issues.

Also, DC apparently didn't like all the emphasis he was putting on gods and myth while he was on the book. :wow: Geez. He very much disagreed with the tendency to write her off as inhuman, too perfect. Interesting revelations #4575: From his perspective, Diana's far from flawless, and her fatal hubris is arrogance. It is that arrogance that led to her acting as the sole arbiter of life and death with Max Lord, and that would have come back to bite her in the ass in the next twelve month's worth of issues that he had originally planned out for the series.

There was a lot of discussion re: Batwoman. He gave a hilarious flow-chart diagram example of what it takes to became a Bat family member...happy childhood > traumatic childhood incident > diverting of energy into dealing with traumatic childhood incident > epiphany leading to dressing up in spandex. He likes the fact that Kate is sort of third-generation bat family; they don't ever needed to have met Batman to be able to take up his symbol, his cause. Interesting revelation #25798: the scene where Kate refuses to lie when questioned by her commander about her sexuality, which is one of my favorite scenes ever, was suggested by Peter Tomasi back when he was still editing Bat-books. This **** was planned out way in advance.

He dislikes the take on Batman that's always :batman: "Stay out of my city." He feels like Gotham is a big place and Batman wouldn't turn away help so long as they're operating reasonably, ie no killing. He dislikes the interpretation of Batman being as insane as the Joker, because that diminishes Batman's heroism.

It seems like he wishes there were less event books. Well okay, scratch that, he literally said verbatim that he wishes there were less event books. He misses the days when there could be a twelve-issue run on something without big events butting in. He went on a bit, quite vociferously, about how badly the comics industry was doing. They have to be back in the spiral stands, the fact that they're only in specialty stores now is really hurting them. They're only being marketed to people who already buy them, manga sales is literally hundreds of times better than comic sales. Etc etc. It's really nothing we haven't already known, but it was interesting to see how genuinely frustrated he seems to be with it.

When it came time for questions, I told him Detective Comics #859 was my favorite comic issue last year. Then I asked him wtf was up with Diana making out with imaginary Bruce in BN: WW. :meanie: He knew that there were people weirded out by that whole thing, and explained that he "saw a story" there. So, yes, Greg Rucka is a total Bruce/Diana 'shipper.

Interesting revelation #25897: Cris Allen was always intended to die and Renee was always intended to quit the force at the end of Gotham Central. But turning Cris into the Spectre was Geoff Johns' notion; Rucka was apprehensive at first, but then warmed a bit to the idea after he considered that if he was going to kill off one of the only visibly married black men in comics, he might as well be turned into the most powerful entity in the universe.

Going back tomorrow for more fun and, hopefully, more Adam Baldwin, who is really tall and has the perfect skin.
 
Every year I go huh next year I should think about going to Wondercon and then it's next year and I'm like oh yeah so this weekend's Wondercon, huh next year I should think about going to Wondercon.

Anyway it sounds like Greg Rucka spends a lot of time being correct about things.
 
You can always go tomorrow, $15 at the door for your chance to tell DiDio and Robinson how much you totally like them.

Oh and apparently Johns played a lot of Mortal Kombat as a child. This explains...well, much of everything, really.
 
Sounds like good fun and I would have loved to be at the Rucka panel as long as it wasn't just him *****ing :)
 
Glad he saw a Bruce/Diana story there. Sad he won't follow it up soon.
 
Glad he saw a Bruce/Diana story there. Sad he won't follow it up soon.
 
Rucka is making me worried about the future of comics. :csad:
 
Hopefully Rucka will focus some more on Stumptown and actually, y'know, put out another issue sometime this goddamned century.
 
Wait, hold on....if Rucka is laving DC Comics, who is writing the Batwoman ongoing? Did he have anything to say about that?

Please god, don't let DC give the title to a talentless moron like Geoff Johns. The ongoing title was the only thing I was actually excited about from DC comics. If they've f***ed it up again and we're not going to be getting an ongoing and she's going to be dissapearing from Detective Comics...or worse they give the character over to a loser like Geoff Johns or Adam Beechen...I will be so f***ing p***ed off.

If they canceled it, I will be f***ing DONE with DC. It'll just be one more example of them wimping out

He said that WW is absolutely a political character, but that unfortunately the feminism of the era that she was created under is hard to transition to modern times. He is completely cognizant of WW's creepy bondage themes. There are the bondage boots. The bracelets of submission. "The lasso isn't a lasso, it's a whip." Again, his exact words. He said that writers tend to just ignore that, which he disagreed with. I found that interesting because I didn't really catch any of those themes in his issues.

I've always believed that Rucka was the greatest post crisis scribe to take on the character of Wonder Woman. No one else can compare and it's good to know he still cares about the character.

Nothing creepy about bondage though:cwink:

You can always go tomorrow, $15 at the door for your chance to tell DiDio and Robinson how much you totally like them.

Oh and apparently Johns played a lot of Mortal Kombat as a child. This explains...well, much of everything, really.

It explains why he's such a painfully terrible writer? How so?
 
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He mentioned that he (re-)created Batwoman with the intention that she could endure beyond him, so I imagine some other shmoe's gonna write her series now. He said he initially planned like one or two more stories than what he's done so far with her, and he's not one to say he'll never come back to something, but for the foreseeable future, he's focusing more on his creator-owned indie stuff.
 
He mentioned that he (re-)created Batwoman with the intention that she could endure beyond him, so I imagine some other shmoe's gonna write her series now. He said he initially planned like one or two more stories than what he's done so far with her, and he's not one to say he'll never come back to something, but for the foreseeable future, he's focusing more on his creator-owned indie stuff.

Yeah it seems he wanted to give Alice a origin story. Let's hope we can receive that arc before he leaves. Maybe Devin Grayson should do her Batwoman stories? Morrison is already too busy with his Batman stuff, but maybe Peter Tomasi can write the Batwoman ongoing?:word:
 
I don't know, can't say I have that much faith that Batwoman is going to endure past Rucka. I've really enjoyed the character through Rucka's run, but like She-Question, it seems the only one whose ever taken any real interest in the character is him. Maybe his run will peak interests of other talent, but I don't know, I don't expect will see much of Kane for awhile unless she gets shoved in a team book to be the token gay, or testing the waters on DC's part with a lesser team to see if anyone cared for the character or was just riding Detective with her happening to be along
 
He mentioned that he (re-)created Batwoman with the intention that she could endure beyond him, so I imagine some other shmoe's gonna write her series now. He said he initially planned like one or two more stories than what he's done so far with her, and he's not one to say he'll never come back to something, but for the foreseeable future, he's focusing more on his creator-owned indie stuff.

So did he explicitly say that DC WILL be putting another writer on the ongoing? Because I don't trust those idiots not to balls it up. :cmad:

Great. Lousy night in which I couldn't sleep followed by lousy morning where I had a hangover from hell, now lousy afternoon as I find out that not only do I just have to trust that DC won't just cancel all their plans for Batwoman now Rucka is gone, I also have to worry which jack ass their going to put on the title.

Given that they only have about three decent writers on staff other than Rucka I am NOT hopeful. The fact those losers STILL haven't announced the ongoing is't eactly encouraging either:cmad:
 
I don't know, I'm just going by this article. I wasn't at WonderCon or anything. I can't say I really care about Batwoman, either, so I haven't done any searching for more information on the status of her comic.
 
I don't know, can't say I have that much faith that Batwoman is going to endure past Rucka. I've really enjoyed the character through Rucka's run, but like She-Question, it seems the only one whose ever taken any real interest in the character is him. Maybe his run will peak interests of other talent, but I don't know, I don't expect will see much of Kane for awhile unless she gets shoved in a team book to be the token gay, or testing the waters on DC's part with a lesser team to see if anyone cared for the character or was just riding Detective with her happening to be along

If this proves to be the case DC won't be seeing any of my MONEY for a while. We were promised an ongoing. An ongoing those ****s had better deliver.

DC's track record with diveristy is already **** poor. If their going to just fade out the only high profile gay chaacter they've ever had then I'm f***ing done with those morons.

If a boring loser like Hal Jordan can get an ongoing then Batwoman sure as hell deserves one.

Drz said:
Yeah it seems he wanted to give Alice a origin story. Let's hope we can receive that arc before he leaves. Maybe Devin Grayson should do her Batwoman stories? Morrison is already too busy with his Batman stuff, but maybe Peter Tomasi can write the Batwoman ongoing?:word:

I have no idea who Peter Tomasi is. Doesn't he write GLC or something? I find the Lantern mythos painful to read so I don't pick that title up but I seem to remember seeing his name on a cover once.

Can he write worth a damn?
 
No, I don't think he said anything about the ongoing's status or anything. I have a feeling it's pretty much dead/in comic limbo now that he's gone. About the only way I see otherwise is if Williams decides to push it
 
I have no idea who Peter Tomasi is. Doesn't he write GLC or something? I find the Lantern mythos painful to read so I don't pick that title up but I seem to remember seeing his name on a cover once.

Can he write worth a damn?

Yeah, Tomasi is good. I'm actually hoping he takes over Batman when Morrison is done
 
Pete Tomasi is one of DC's best writers at the moment, as far as I'm concerned. If you're worried about his familiarity with Bat-lore, he wrote Nightwing before GLC and received pretty much universal praise (especially around here) for it.
 
I have no idea who Peter Tomasi is. Doesn't he write GLC or something? I find the Lantern mythos painful to read so I don't pick that title up but I seem to remember seeing his name on a cover once.

Can he write worth a damn?

The reason i suggested Morrison and Tomasi was because they we're part of the 52 serie. So there had to be some influence on Batwoman. Rucka just stated the "no sir. i'm gay" army thing was from Tomasi.

Tomasi also wrote the last 2 arcs for Nightwing, which we're pretty enjoyable and optimistic where Nightwing was kicking ass, but nothing overly spectacular. Just a good enjoyable comic worth a re-read. Know what i mean?
 
The reason i suggested Morrison and Tomasi was because they we're part of the 52 serie. So there had to be some influence on Batwoman. Rucka just stated the "no sir. i'm gay" army thing was from Tomasi.

Tomasi also wrote the last 2 arcs for Nightwing, which we're pretty enjoyable and optimistic where Nightwing was kicking ass, but nothing overly spectacular. Just a good enjoyable comic worth a re-read. Know what i mean?

Okay, that's encouraging. We can hope I suppose

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No, I don't think he said anything about the ongoing's status or anything. I have a feeling it's pretty much dead/in comic limbo now that he's gone. About the only way I see otherwise is if Williams decides to push it

Well that's BULL*****. DC can't just announce the ongoing and then jerk us around like that

If the ongoing really is dead then I'm not going to be picking up anything else released by this company of liars and cowards.

Wait, if Rucka is leaving who the hell is writing Batwoman in Detective Comics? The solicits said she would be returning to that title after those awful fill in issues. Or was that just more filthy lies from these idiots at DC?
 
Wait, if Rucka is leaving who the hell is writing Batwoman in Detective Comics? The solicits said she would be returning to that title after those awful fill in issues. Or was that just more filthy lies from these idiots at DC?

He could have finished this last story arc before deciding to go back to his Indie stuff. Since he's had 3 months time to wrap this next story arc.
 
He could have finished this last story arc before deciding to go back to his Indie stuff. Since he's had 3 months time to wrap this next story arc.

Then if DC doesn't wish to lose me as a reader they have until the end of that story arc to announce who will be taking over as writer on Batwoman.
 
I was really really hoping Batwoman was on the new Birds of Prey ongoing, instead we got Dove and mother****ing who the hell wanted him back Hawk.
 
I wanted him back. But as Extant. Extant was a cool time-manipulating villain. Hawk is a *****e.
 
I was really really hoping Batwoman was on the new Birds of Prey ongoing, instead we got Dove and mother****ing who the hell wanted him back Hawk.

Tell me about it. I was hoping and praying that we would see Batwoman on the BOP. Instead we get Dove, one of the most tedious characters in the entire DCU and Hawk, a braindead ugly steroid case who looks like he stole The Governators body.

I didn't think anything could make me not wish to purchase BOP written by Gail Simone but knowing that Hawk and Dove aka Dull an Duller will be on the team...well I already have pills to put me to sleep. I don't need a comic to do that.

I wanted him back. But as Extant. Extant was a cool time-manipulating villain. Hawk is a *****e.

Extant was more plot device than man so I don't really miss him. The fact that we're expected to accept Hawk as a hero now, after he murdered several members of the original superteam? That is just further proof of what a hack Johns is.

It's much like how he expects us to sympathise with his whiny half wit murderers Superboy Prime and Black Adam.
 

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